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That's pretty ballsey to advertise a Bronco in white :p
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Seems a little early for a redo already. The current MDX isn't what, any more than 2-3 years old at this point.
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Wait so are we talking about aesthetics or the mechanics underneath?

The whole station wagon thing, that's basically the definition of a station wagon. Just as coupes are the 2dr version of the sedan. E Class, E Wagon, E coupe. A Prius V as far as I know is the wagon version of a standard Prius. Usually wagons maintain the same nomenclature in many cases and aren't trying to make a distinctive model.

All of the luxury (especially super luxury) manufactures have gone to lengths to maintain the iconic look of their cars within their SUVs and sedans (if applicable ex Porsche, Maseratti). These companies very much rely on maintaining an evolutionary but distinctive look. To make a Porsche SUV that looked like a Tahoe or a sedan like an S-Class would go against their marketing strategy. A Porsche from 50 years ago still has the same cues as a brand new one.

Yeah, I noted that wagon versions retain the same overall body, but the Prius was badly done even in that regard. As for the others I referred to, those were cases where the creators had zero inclination to make a distinctive model, which I find to be a shame. I'm not referring to an SUV with a sedan chassis - I'm referring to SUVs whose designs come straight from the designs previously used with a car. The new Tesla remained the old Tesla model S, yet was simply modified to look like an SUV. It's a pathetic and lazy way to design an SUV, whether or not it be on a car chassis. I understand the want to have an SUV reflect a company's distinctive car design, but they've often been doing it so cheaply these days. It's ever so apparent with this new Tesla. In fact, this new Tesla doesn't only look like a modified Tesla S, it also looks plain ugly and is nothing new. They could have done much better.
 

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Yeah, I noted that wagon versions retain the same overall body, but the Prius was badly done even in that regard. As for the others I referred to, those were cases where the creators had zero inclination to make a distinctive model, which I find to be a shame. I'm not referring to an SUV with a sedan chassis - I'm referring to SUVs whose designs come straight from the designs previously used with a car. The new Tesla remained the old Tesla model S, yet was simply modified to look like an SUV. It's a pathetic and lazy way to design an SUV, whether or not it be on a car chassis. I understand the want to have an SUV reflect a company's distinctive car design, but they've often been doing it so cheaply these days. It's ever so apparent with this new Tesla. In fact, this new Tesla doesn't only look like a modified Tesla S, it also looks plain ugly and is nothing new. They could have done much better.


I agree I'm not much of a fan of the stylist of the Panamera or Tesla X (or Prius V). I think Porsche did a fantastic job integrating their iconic look into the Cayenna and Macan, but the Panamera is awkward. The Tesla X is strange because Tesla doesn't really have a "look" yet only having made two cars. I think their idea was to put aesthetics aside and make something very distinctive, instantly recognizable... Much like the Prius' unique shape that has since been copied among many other compact hybrids a mousey hybrid shape.

The Maseratti I think does a great job of maintaining their iconic sports car look in an SUV design... Much like Porsche, Infact so much so the Maseratti looks like a Porsche. Bentley's Bentayaga SUV while a first generation and a little awkward (much like a Gen 1 Cayenne), but still did a decent job of integrating the Bentley sedan aesthetics into an SUV.
 

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I agree I'm not much of a fan of the stylist of the Panamera or Tesla X (or Prius V). I think Porsche did a fantastic job integrating their iconic look into the Cayenna and Macan, but the Panamera is awkward. The Tesla X is strange because Tesla doesn't really have a "look" yet only having made two cars. I think their idea was to put aesthetics aside and make something very distinctive, instantly recognizable... Much like the Prius' unique shape that has since been copied among many other compact hybrids a mousey hybrid shape.

The Maseratti I think does a great job of maintaining their iconic sports car look in an SUV design... Much like Porsche, Infact so much so the Maseratti looks like a Porsche. Bentley's Bentayaga SUV while a first generation and a little awkward (much like a Gen 1 Cayenne), but still did a decent job of integrating the Bentley sedan aesthetics into an SUV.


Yeah, I suppose the Maserati does retain a distinctive look that's at least pleasing to the eye. BTW, this new Tesla is actually their third car, but that's beside the point. I road in the OG Tesla roadster (in 2009 or so?) back before people knew about Tesla and back before the Tesla Model S. Interestingly enough, it looked 100% inspired by a Lotus Elise. We thought it was cool, but my dad mentioned to them that they should make something a bit larger; and, of course, we got the Model S.
 

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BTW, this new Tesla is actually their third car, but that's beside the point. I road in the OG Tesla roadster (in 2009 or so?) back before people knew about Tesla and back before the Tesla Model S. Interestingly enough, it looked 100% inspired by a Lotus Elise.

The Tesla Roadster wasn't just "inspired" by the Lotus Elise, it was basically an electrified Lotus Elise. Lotus made the gliders and sold them to Tesla, then Tesla added their powertrain. So whether or not you can even count the Roadster as Tesla's first car is debatable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Roadster#Development
 

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Yeah, I suppose the Maserati does retain a distinctive look that's at least pleasing to the eye. BTW, this new Tesla is actually their third car, but that's beside the point. I road in the OG Tesla roadster (in 2009 or so?) back before people knew about Tesla and back before the Tesla Model S. Interestingly enough, it looked 100% inspired by a Lotus Elise. We thought it was cool, but my dad mentioned to them that they should make something a bit larger; and, of course, we got the Model S.

The original Tesla was not a secret, it was a pretty big deal at the time. It looks inspired by a Lotus because it was a Lotus. The chasis of the car was designed and built by Lotus. In the end, Lotus built the entire car in the UK minus the powertrain that was installed in the US.

They say the Tesla Roadster and Elise have only 6% parts overlap... But if you consider the fact there's no powertrain (and likely most of the electronics)... That's a lot of missing parts! The frame and shell of the car are what? 15 parts? Out of thousands.
 

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That's pretty ballsey to advertise a Bronco in white :p

You're in luck, they did renders in metallic gray/black[?] with roof racks and red :D

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The Tesla Roadster wasn't just "inspired" by the Lotus Elise, it was basically an electrified Lotus Elise. Lotus made the gliders and sold them to Tesla, then Tesla added their powertrain. So whether or not you can even count the Roadster as Tesla's first car is debatable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Roadster#Development

Knew there was something fishy going on there. Yeah, it was sort of a pilot car. I didn't see it working out.
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The original Tesla was not a secret, it was a pretty big deal at the time. It looks inspired by a Lotus because it was a Lotus. The chasis of the car was designed and built by Lotus. In the end, Lotus built the entire car in the UK minus the powertrain that was installed in the US.

They say the Tesla Roadster and Elise have only 6% parts overlap... But if you consider the fact there's no powertrain (and likely most of the electronics)... That's a lot of missing parts! The frame and shell of the car are what? 15 parts? Out of thousands.


Well, not many people really knew too much about the company then. In addition, it was when the car was new. I was younger then, so all I recognized was the Lotus-looking body. Never considered researching its actual Lotus origins then. I had the feeling, though, that they'd end up making something different. As mentioned, my dad suggested to them that they make something larger, like an SUV.
 

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Well, not many people really knew too much about the company then. In addition, it was when the car was new. I was younger then, so all I recognized was the Lotus-looking body. Never considered researching its actual Lotus origins then. I had the feeling, though, that they'd end up making something different. As mentioned, my dad suggested to them that they make something larger, like an SUV.

The Tesla Roadster was definitely a niche car making 2,500 vehicles, but was big motoring news being essentially one of the first electric sports car, it's acceleration was sub 4 seconds which was and still is an impressive at the time (~2008) and still maintaining a decent range (250 miles). At that point, there the only known electric cars were little econoboxes that had failed. Mainstream society probably didn't know about Tesla, but anyone who paid attention to motoring news or WSJ knew what they were.
 

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The 911 R should have been the GT3. But that's just me. :D

Also, is it me but do I find the 911 R a whole lot more attractive than the Bugatti? I just don't mean looks but just overall. For some reason, I never really looked at Bugatti's like I do the expensive Porsche or Ferrari. Sure it has power and speed, but outside of that, even if I had the money, it's not something I would even look at purchasing.
 

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Also, is it me but do I find the 911 R a whole lot more attractive than the Bugatti? I just don't mean looks but just overall. For some reason, I never really looked at Bugatti's like I do the expensive Porsche or Ferrari. Sure it has power and speed, but outside of that, even if I had the money, it's not something I would even look at purchasing.

I mentioned something along the same lines, re: potentially choosing a Turbo S Cab over a Ferrari. I've never much cared for modern Bugatti designs (same goes for Lamborghini), though this new car is a notable improvement over the previous model (and it's infinitely better in a non-two tone paint scheme). Even the interior is verging on silly, it looks like a visualization of some cyberpunk fanfic :D

Other interesting news, GM released the C7 Grand Sport today, basically a Z06 sans the FI motor (meaning it'll probably be way more effective on track ...), it's still on the too-many-things-stuck-on in terms of design, but it should be pretty capable - I was a touch surprised it didn't have any power increase, I was assuming we'd get an "LT3", some kind of power bumped NA motor in the neighborhood of 500HP that would also make its way to a possible Z/28.

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The 911 R should have been the GT3. But that's just me. :D

but how else could they make extra money off the loyalists? :)

Also, is it me but do I find the 911 R a whole lot more attractive than the Bugatti? I just don't mean looks but just overall.

Nope, not just you. I agree. I find something like the 911 or R8 more "attractive" than a Veyron/Zonda, etc. Probably because it's far more attainable?
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I mentioned something along the same lines, re: potentially choosing a Turbo S Cab over a Ferrari.

Yes. I like Ferraris/Lamborghinis, but no thanks. I'd much rather own a Porsche or something along those lines.

Other interesting news, GM released the C7 Grand Sport today, basically a Z06 sans the FI motor (meaning it'll probably be way more effective on track ...), it's still on the too-many-things-stuck-on in terms of design, but it should be pretty capable - I was a touch surprised it didn't have any power increase, I was assuming we'd get an "LT3", some kind of power bumped NA motor in the neighborhood of 500HP that would also make its way to a possible Z/28.

Ignoring the overstyled exterior, the C7 GS is going to be a great car!
 

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Finally, after months of procrastination, I'm (God willing it's still available), looking at this 2015 Toaureg TDI Lux (high end) with 24k miles and no accidents. Unfortunately it's 1.5 hours away, but used T-regs are tricky to find and I love this color combo (blue/grey on brown) and features. Asking price is very fair too. I don't mind the wheels either. 1 owner, clean CarFax.

Warranty is the remained of the 3yr36k mile B2B (kinda sucks) + 10yr/100k powertrain warranty. I'm looking into extended warranty options since I know these guys aren't the best reliability wise.

The 3.0L turbodiesel seems pretty cool, and isn't exactly in the same predicament as VW's smaller, sedan 2.0 TDI diesel engines (Jetta, Golf, Passat, etc.). The 3.0t has 20/29mpg and a 6.9sec 0-60 time which isn't a bad package. I think the size is perfect, it's pretty well appointed (though sad the T-ref has been increasingly diluted to feed the Audi and Porsche SUV lineup, but I really love the luxury feel without the ostentatious badging. I like unique things that remain subtle.

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Finally, after months of procrastination, I'm (God willing it's still available), looking at this 2015 Toaureg TDI Lux (high end) with 24k miles and no accidents. Unfortunately it's 1.5 hours away, but used T-regs are tricky to find and I love this color combo (blue/grey on brown) and features.
Why would you want to buy that POS? Diesels are loud and dirty!

The Acura MDX/RDX are better choices. Far cheaper too.

:rolleyes:
 

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Why would you want to buy that POS? Diesels are loud and dirty!

The Acura MDX/RDX are better choices. Far cheaper too.

:rolleyes:

IMHO new MDX is better than RDX. MDX has SH-AWD and it is one of the best on the market. I think it is far superior than Lexus (total garbage on a snow). New RDX is just a regular AWD as CRV or Pilot. They dropped SH-AWD for the new model couple years ago.

The only problem with Acura is their dealerships not as good.

Another great car on the snow is Honda Crosstour. I don't know what they did with her, but it was really good on the snow last year when I had a chance to drive her. X5 and Audi couldn't follow me :). Everything was below the speed limit (layers relax here)

Agree VW is an overpriced and not as good.

BTW: Thanks for your comments about T-mobile and Att. I decided to stay with Att since T-mo is not serious for me. Just keep it for my international travel till I be able to get rare international unlimited Att plan.
Also Att is a Formula 1 sponsor.
Why would you want to buy that POS? Diesels are loud and dirty!

The Acura MDX/RDX are better choices. Far cheaper too.

:rolleyes:

I agree, but I thing MDX is a better choice for money , because it has SH-AWD. RDX has CRV/Pilot AWD system I do believe. MDX is perfect on snow, better than Lexus ( IMHO total gabage for money)

The only problem with Acura that some dealerships not very good.

Another great car on the snow is Honda Crosstour. I don't know what they did with her, last year under the snow I had a chance to drive it , was soooo good, faster car on highway.


BTW: Thanks for your comments about Att/T-mobile. I decided to give a test for T-mobile , a lot of no-service, congestions, vowifi "buttom of a toulet" voice quality, drop calls when you driving, radio works max 10 min without stop. Going to keep it as my international roaming service till I but Att international unlimited data plan. Almost ported to T-mo from my Att UDPs, thanks God I read you post. :)
The more people switch to T-mobile the faster internet and may be better plans we have.
Once again thanks.
 

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IMHO new MDX is better than RDX. MDX has SH-AWD and it is one of the best on the market. I think it is far superior than Lexus (total garbage on a snow). New RDX is just a regular AWD as CRV or Pilot. They dropped SH-AWD for the new model couple years ago.

The only problem with Acura is their dealerships not as good.

Another great car on the snow is Honda Crosstour. I don't know what they did with her, but it was really good on the snow last year when I had a chance to drive her. X5 and Audi couldn't follow me :). Everything was below the speed limit (layers relax here)

Agree VW is an overpriced and not as good.

BTW: Thanks for your comments about T-mobile and Att. I decided to stay with Att since T-mo is not serious for me. Just keep it for my international travel till I be able to get rare international unlimited Att plan.
Also Att is a Formula 1 sponsor.


I agree, but I thing MDX is a better choice for money , because it has SH-AWD. RDX has CRV/Pilot AWD system I do believe. MDX is perfect on snow, better than Lexus ( IMHO total gabage for money)

The only problem with Acura that some dealerships not very good.

Another great car on the snow is Honda Crosstour. I don't know what they did with her, last year under the snow I had a chance to drive it , was soooo good, faster car on highway.


BTW: Thanks for your comments about Att/T-mobile. I decided to give a test for T-mobile , a lot of no-service, congestions, vowifi "buttom of a toulet" voice quality, drop calls when you driving, radio works max 10 min without stop. Going to keep it as my international roaming service till I but Att international unlimited data plan. Almost ported to T-mo from my Att UDPs, thanks God I read you post. :)
The more people switch to T-mobile the faster internet and may be better plans we have.
Once again thanks.
All good points here, but for the bold, you can often have an Acura serviced at a Honda dealership. Agreed whole-heartedly on the MDX vs RDX comparison. You can't really beat the MDX AWD for the price. The RDX really needs SH-AWD.

Also, I'm becoming more and more convinced that the time to buy an Acura is going to be in a couple of years when the VTEC Turbos hit Acura and the new look are released.
 

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IMHO new MDX is better than RDX. MDX has SH-AWD and it is one of the best on the market. I think it is far superior than Lexus (total garbage on a snow). New RDX is just a regular AWD as CRV or Pilot. They dropped SH-AWD for the new model couple years ago.

The only problem with Acura is their dealerships not as good.

Another great car on the snow is Honda Crosstour. I don't know what they did with her, but it was really good on the snow last year when I had a chance to drive her. X5 and Audi couldn't follow me :)
Tires are the difference maker my friend. We barely got enough snow this year. Didn't even get a chance to take the X5 out in the deep stuff. :)

But yes, the Lexus AWD system is fairly rudimentary. Not as impressive as Quattro or SHAWD, etc.
 
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All good points here, but for the bold, you can often have an Acura serviced at a Honda dealership. Agreed whole-heartedly on the MDX vs RDX comparison. You can't really beat the MDX AWD for the price. The RDX really needs SH-AWD.

Also, I'm becoming more and more convinced that the time to buy an Acura is going to be in a couple of years when the VTEC Turbos hit Acura and the new look are released.

... sorry I'm bold :)
I know about Acura service on Honda. BTW Honda dealers are perfect in my area.
 
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Tires are the difference maker my friend. We barely got enough snow this year. Didn't even get a chance to take the X5 out in the deep stuff. :)

But yes, the Lexus AWD system is fairly rudimentary. Not as impressive as Quattro or SHAWD, etc.

Lexus is a joke. My friend jumped from Acura to RX350 , total loss on snow in February. Winter tires. My friend is a very experienced driver.

X5 is really cool. ;-) Acura or BMW doesn't go togerther with T-mobile :) T-mobile, stay away from our cars!!! :)
 

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Well I see Toyota is attempting to go bankrupt
Who cares about the Mirai. It's not a mass market car.

Toyota is still one of the largest automakers with one of the biggest R&D budgets in the industry. They'll be just fine :)
 
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