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I realize they are the largest automaker, clearly it was tongue in cheek.

But don't expect some of those hideous styling elements to not make it into the rest of the appliances they build for people with no taste.

In other related matters, I see the pig with lipstick division continues to ratchet up the front end disaster just when you thought it couldn't get worse:

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Lexus looks like Darth Vader mask.
No, Toyota doesn't go anywhere, Honda can , they overspent in Formula 1 with no success. Honda F1 engine is the worst now. Poor McLaren , I feel sorry for them.
 

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Ugh, the facelifted LX570 is ugly, but honestly, it's a fantastic truck. Probably one of the most bulletproof cars out there, since it's basically just a reskinned Land Cruiser.

They also hold their value like nothing else. A Land Cruiser is definitely on my "want list"
 

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Ugh, the facelifted LX570 is ugly, but honestly, it's a fantastic truck. Probably one of the most bulletproof cars out there, since it's basically just a reskinned Land Cruiser.

They also hold their value like nothing else. A Land Cruiser is definitely on my "want list"

For sure.

And speaking of Land Cruisers, here's a *fantastic* read about a massive trip through the freakin' DRC in an old one (grab yourself a six pack):

http://www.expeditionportal.com/for...atic-Republic-of-Congo-Lubumbashi-to-Kinshasa
 

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Well I see Toyota is attempting to go bankrupt

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My god. That is hideous. @AutoUnion39 , you know this is a "child eating grill"... Or perhaps a dust buster.

I realize they are the largest automaker, clearly it was tongue in cheek.

But don't expect some of those hideous styling elements to not make it into the rest of the appliances they build for people with no taste.

In other related matters, I see the pig with lipstick division continues to ratchet up the front end disaster just when you thought it couldn't get worse:

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That's hideous. The pre-face lifted 2nd generation GX and 3rd generation LX models looked alright, but the grills are completely disproportionate.
 

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For sure.

And speaking of Land Cruisers, here's a *fantastic* read about a massive trip through the freakin' DRC in an old one (grab yourself a six pack):

http://www.expeditionportal.com/for...atic-Republic-of-Congo-Lubumbashi-to-Kinshasa

Read the first page - sounds absolutely fascinating; will read the rest of it later.

That's amazing. I'll read it tonight. Thanks!

This is also a great read, but with a G-wagen instead (another dream car) :)

http://www.bbc.com/news/special/2014/newsspec_8703/index.html

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I have worked in a number of countries where we used both Toyota Landcruisers and Mercedes G Wagons; wonderful vehicles for that sort of environment, and I have received instruction in driving both.
 

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Read the first page - sounds absolutely fascinating; will read the rest of it later.



I have worked in a number of countries where we used both Toyota Landcruisers and Mercedes G Wagons; wonderful vehicles for that sort of environment, and I have received instruction in driving both.

My girlfriend has traded her Volvo S60 T6 with her parents spare car- an '02 Land Cruiser for the winter. This wasn't really necessary given the mild winter but after last we wanted to be prepared. Fantastic vehicle though. Rock solid of a car and super comfortable. Rear locking diff is a great feature. My dad owned a 98 and 03 over the years and never had a single issue. I love how they're well built, rugged, reliable, and in our market, luxurious and carry some level of prestige, without the pretentiousness of other luxury brands. Incredible resale value too. It's too bad the new ones have become so large and bloated. I wish the Toyota LC Prado (aka Lexus GX) was offered in the US market.

I'm looking at buying a new SUV. The GX460 is a great car, but Lexus wants way too much money for what it is. At its core it's a very dated car.

I'm still wresting with the the idea of a Touareg TDI and Jeep Grand Cherokee Ecodiesel... Or perhaps something different. I looked at the Touareg but leaves some features to be desired. The Jeep's interior has some great options but the interior is a bit cheap, reliability is worse than ever under Fiat, and the diesels and V8 models are extremely rare (roughly 1 Diesel to 75 gas V6 for sale on the new market).
 
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http://jalopnik.com/a-hacker-may-have-discovered-plans-for-a-tesla-p100d-1763274897

A Hacker May Have Discovered Plans For A Tesla P100D

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Right now, the Tesla Model S comes with either a 70, 85 or 90 kWh battery pack, but it looks like a bigger battery could be on the horizon. One computer wiz claims to have have hacked into Tesla’s firmware and discovered a reference to a juicier battery.

Self-proclaimed white hat hacker (the “good” kind of hacker who tests and improve security systems) says he discovered a secret in Tesla’s firmware 7.1, but he didn’t want to tell the world outright what he discovered, so he made Tesla Motors Club forum-members work for it by obfuscating the secret with a hash.

TheSHA256 hash, a one-way function, would either require forum members to guess and check to decrypt the code (this is called the “brute force” method), or to look it up in a hash dictionary. We don’t know how he did it, but forum member LuckyLuke decrypted Hughes’ hash and discovered its meaning: P100D.
 

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Seriously, I'm done with Tesla until they make some money with the 3. Every major car brand is going to have an electric car by the time the 3 happens.
 

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I realize they are the largest automaker, clearly it was tongue in cheek.

But don't expect some of those hideous styling elements to not make it into the rest of the appliances they build for people with no taste.

In other related matters, I see the pig with lipstick division continues to ratchet up the front end disaster just when you thought it couldn't get worse:

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Best looking SUV it in its class IMO.
 

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Seriously, I'm done with Tesla until they make some money with the 3. Every major car brand is going to have an electric car by the time the 3 happens.

Yeah. I'm pretty bored with the Tesla lineup. The Model S while model feels tired. The new Model X doesn't look at all revolutionary for the company that's supposed to be on the cutting edge. It would be nice if they had some money to invest in actually developing something new.
 

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Best looking SUV it in its class IMO.

I think the Escalade or Mercedes GL(S) look far better, but, of course, the Lexus will be basically bulletproof. Can't say the same about Mercedes or Cadillac

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BMW i Chief: i5 EV Model Coming, Will Offer Optional Range-Extender

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It’s fair to say that BMW’s i range has, until now, been more a pair of distantly related cousins than it has been a close-knit automotive family. The i3 and i8 are both fascinating vehicles, but being an electric city car and a hybrid sports car, they have left what could be described as a chasm-sized gap in the middle of the range.

Which is where the BMW i5 will come in, as a car capable of appealing to those who want to travel longer distances and carry more stuff under electric power. Details are still being kept under tight guard, but an interview with i’s head of product, Henrik Wenders, has shed some light on what we can expect.

First, and most significant, we have confirmation that BMW will offer a range-extending internal-combustion engine as an option, meaning that the i5 will be an electric vehicle rather than, as some reports have previously suggested, a hybrid. “The range extender plays an important part in the next years when range remains a limiting factor and a source of anxiety,” Wenders told us when we spoke to him. “Of course once we get to a range that is more comparable with that of an internal-combustion engine it will become obsolete. So this is the reason I can say we will continue to offer the range-extender in the future as optional equipment, to address different customer needs.”

Apparently the i3’s optional engine (we tested this version of the car roughly 18 month ago) has tended to be little more than a comfort blanket. “At the beginning of the i3, the [take rate of the] range extender was much more than we expected,” Wenders said. “More than 60 percent. It’s decreasing dramatically now and what we’re seeing is that people are almost never using it and that it was purely a psychological thing; it is being regularly used in fewer than five percent of i3s.”

“The i3 is mainly the second or third car in the household,” Wenders told us. “We are thinking of a new i model above it to attract families, and that means it must be capable of being the first car in the household. We are still working very hard on the usage concept, but this needs to be defined by the market and not by us.”

Range is always the big question when it comes to future electric models, and although Wenders acknowledged that a larger car would be expected to deliver a longer range, he refused to be drawn into specifics of what he would regard as a minimum. “Internally, there are lots of discussions. I try to represent the customer and I am always requesting maximum range, but the engineering perspective is that you have to be very careful. We have to provide a battery with a certain longevity, and we need to provide a battery and drivetrain that—from a CO2 investment—still makes sense. We are not going to join the race about maximum range figures. Currently if you compare those figures and see what kind of energy investment is behind it, you often see the total carbon footprint of those models is higher than for a car with an internal-combustion engine. That doesn’t make any kind of sense.”

BMW’s strategy is to use developments in battery technology to offer incremental upgrades over time, hence the recently announced decision to offer the i3 with an upgraded battery pack alongside the existing model. Wenders also confirmed that a carbon-fiber structure is a certainty for the i5, and any other future i models. “One of i’s roles is as an enabling brand, to help industrialize new materials and processes. We have already opened the door with the i3 and we will take it from there.”

But will future i models be able to match the emotional appeal that has given Tesla its sometimes rabid fanbase? “I am highly subjective here, but I am convinced that we have the emotional connection already with our audience,” Wenders said, “but we are not keen on building a separate brand with a separate portfolio. That would be to talk about a separate company, one that you might see as an independent competitor to the Tesla brand. But that’s not our story, we are a sub-brand, part of the most successful premium carmaker in the world. We want to continue that story. We have the opportunity to be the spearhead, we can test new materials, new design languages, new body concepts. Innovation is our strength.”

The talk of new body concepts brings a more prosaic angle: Why haven’t we seen a convertible i model yet? Wenders refuses to be drawn on the specifics, but does admit, with a broad smile, that “the advantage of the carbon structure is that it’s so rigid you could take away the roof without destabilizing the car.”



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Yeah. I'm pretty bored with the Tesla lineup. The Model S while model feels tired. The new Model X doesn't look at all revolutionary for the company that's supposed to be on the cutting edge. It would be nice if they had some money to invest in actually developing something new.

The Model X reminds me of a beluga whale. Hopefully they facelift the Model S and change the looks of the Model 3. If it looks like a smaller Model S... no thanks.
 
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I think the Escalade or Mercedes GL(S) look far better, but, of course, the Lexus will be basically bulletproof. Can't say the same about Mercedes or Cadillac

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The Model X reminds me of a beluga whale. Hopefully they facelift the Model S and change the looks of the Model 3. If it looks like a smaller Model S... no thanks.
I dont know where my mind was. I forgot that the Caddy and Benz was in the same class. I agree, I prefer both over the LX. I do think the LX looks good though. I am biased towards lexus though. I guess because I value reliability over everything else.
 

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I dont know where my mind was. I forgot that the Caddy and Benz was in the same class. I agree, I prefer both over the LX. I do think the LX looks good though. I am biased towards lexus though. I guess because I value reliability over everything else.
Yeah, there's a lot of forgotten cars in that segment. Toyota LC, Lexus LX, Range Rover, Infiniti QX80, Mercedes GL/S, or the Cayenne kind of creeps in due to price.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/the-big-test-large-luxury-suvs/

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Yeah, there's a lot of forgotten cars in that segment. Toyota LC, Lexus LX, Range Rover, Infiniti QX80, Mercedes GL/S, or the Cayenne kind of creeps in due to price.

http://www.motortrend.com/news/the-big-test-large-luxury-suvs/

I'd say the LX/Landcruiser is becoming a much rarer type of beast being one of the last few "truck based", body on frame luxury SUVs. LX/LC, GX, G-Wagon, QX80, Esclade/Denali, (dare I say) Navigator, and to some extent the LR4. Even the new Range Rover lineup is an aluminum monocoque design.

Say what you will about the something like the Cayenne's towing capability on paper, I would not trust something like that towing something heavy for long distances with its relatively short wheel base, super tight suspension, and sport performance, efficiency, and weight saving inspired mechanics. It might be fine for towing a big boat a few miles down the road every now and an again, but not an ideal choice for long trips or frequent usage. I'd be concerned with age and regular/long distance heavy duty usage on the transmissions and engines not designed for towing wouldn't be too happy, along with the suspension, along with the monocoque/unibody frame flexing and not being able to shut the doors (i.e. Jeep Cherokee). Again, not to say you can't or it can't, just not a great choice as its not built for such a purpose compared to SUVs derived from trucks.

The aforementioned vehicles are the last remaining of their species. Body on frame, typically with a nice big V8 (with the exception of the LR4's new SCV6 but prior to that they had the 5.0 V8), long wheelbase, terrible gas mileage, Low range transfer case, maybe some locking diffs, etc.

For most people's practical needs the Cayenne/Q7/TReg, GL, ML, X5, RR/RRS, MDX, QX60, XC90, etc more than satisfy ones luxury and utilitarian needs and focus more on what most people care about on a day-to-day basis like driving dynamics, fuel economy, speed, etc.
 

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so dealers are blowing out 2015 mitsubishi mirages (new bodystyle in '14, there are no '16s, and '17s are getting a really really nice refresh) for as little as $8,000 brand new. that even gets you power windows locks mirrors and bluetooth, and auto climate control. five year bumper to bumper, 10 year powertrain, you can't lose as long as mitsubishi doesnt disappear. i mean how can you lose? you could put nothing down and pay it off in 6-12 months. 37/44 mpg too, and probably pretty reliable. over ten years this car would cost peanuts.

i even saw a top trim ES on autotrader for as little as $9k, brand new. push button start, foglights, alloys, and other goodies for just $9k? insane, i should go buy two.
 

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so dealers are blowing out 2015 mitsubishi mirages (new bodystyle in '14, there are no '16s, and '17s are getting a really really nice refresh) for as little as $8,000 brand new. that even gets you power windows locks mirrors and bluetooth, and auto climate control. five year bumper to bumper, 10 year powertrain, you can't lose as long as mitsubishi doesnt disappear. i mean how can you lose? you could put nothing down and pay it off in 6-12 months. 37/44 mpg too, and probably pretty reliable. over ten years this car would cost peanuts.

i even saw a top trim ES on autotrader for as little as $9k, brand new. push button start, foglights, alloys, and other goodies for just $9k? insane, i should go buy two.

I think I would go buy a $10k Camry or Accord.... purely for safety reasons lol
 

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so dealers are blowing out 2015 mitsubishi mirages (new bodystyle in '14, there are no '16s, and '17s are getting a really really nice refresh) for as little as $8,000 brand new. that even gets you power windows locks mirrors and bluetooth, and auto climate control. five year bumper to bumper, 10 year powertrain, you can't lose as long as mitsubishi doesnt disappear. i mean how can you lose? you could put nothing down and pay it off in 6-12 months. 37/44 mpg too, and probably pretty reliable. over ten years this car would cost peanuts.

i even saw a top trim ES on autotrader for as little as $9k, brand new. push button start, foglights, alloys, and other goodies for just $9k? insane, i should go buy two.

Wow, it sound like Mitsubishi is giving their cars away (similar to Chevy's $39/month Cruze deal... if I got one I'd name it Ted). I had been seeing all these Mitsubishi SUV (outlander?) ads on TV, the best they could marker was heated windshield wipers or something.

Mitsubishi is a weird brand. If I was in the market for a cheap car I don't think they would even cross my mind. $8k is super cheap. Even less than a smart car. How can they even afford the car + 5yr b2b/10yr PT warranty? They must be taking a hit on these.

As AU said, I'd be concerned about safety. It's also just a really small car and not super practical for a lot of people's needs (fiting more than 2 people comfortably, room for groceries, etc).
[doublepost=1457921575][/doublepost]I'm really torn on finding a replacement for my 5-series.

VW Touareg TDI- it was nice and I LOVED the engine but it's missing some features, I feel like in some ways it's a step backwards from my 5 in terms of ammentities. I'm also concerned about the TDI legal issues and reliability/repair costs in general.

Jeep Grand Cherokee - It's a nice car and has come a long way since my previous '03 JGC. The interior isn't quite as nice as the Touareg but it offers more of the features I want overall and is a little bit cheaper (granted finding a diesel or V8 model is like looking for a unicorn). I'm nervous that CR and JD-PA ranked Jeep/Chrysler-Fiat rock bottom on reliability, but repair costs are less than the VW. I haven't been able to test drive the Ecodiesel model yet.

BMW X3 - Test drove one of these a while ago. Drive nicely, a lot of fun. I'm used to my 535 and would prefer the X3 35i, which is tough to find. The 28i is decent. The diesel 28d, which I'd love, is way too slow. The X3 feels like a step down from my 5. Something just feels cheesey about the car.

BMW X5 - I haven't test driven the current generation but I've ridden in one. It's everything the X3 should be, just in a very large and now "cow-like" package. Unlike the X3, the X5 diesel (35d) has some oomph. The base gas is the 35i which is great as well. Price tag is pretty high though.

BMW 5-Series- The only sedan I've looked into and test driven. It's a pretty car if you can find decent sized wheels. The 28i is weak compared to the 35i with which I am spoiled with currently. The F10 interior is a huge upgrade from my E60 5-series. Driving Dynamics are a step down. I'd prefer and SUV, and this guy is pretty expensive too.

Land Rover LR4 - Nice car but it's a really dated car with horrible has mileage. It's driving dynamics are far worse than the others- but it has a truck like feel and it's kinda fun. I test drove a CPO 5.0 V8 (newer ones have a SC V6). Technology is super outdated, yet this is one of the most expensive cars I looked at. Reliability is weak, repair prices are high, but LR's resale these days is incredible. My dad has a '12 RR Sport HSE, basically the same car in a different shape, so I'm aware of this. The RRS drives much better though.

Other considerations- I don't like the Q5- too small, too feminine, everybody owns one. I'm not a big Q7 fan. I may look into the A6 though. The XC90 is beautiful, a little big though, and a bit pricey for a 4 cylinder!!! The Cayenne is basically a Touareg with more of the features I want, but they're so expensive, expensive to fix, and way too ostentatious. The Macan is cool, but similar story. The Lexus GX would be great if they slapped a Toyota badge on it, or at least dropped the price $15k because it's horrendously outdated.

Ugh... I don't know what to do.
 
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