The Car Thread ... !

[lowendlinux]

Just wanted to say that the new Prius is atrocious. It also looks slightly like a 1990s car with updated edges.

Can you explain that or provide some picture that show it?

 

[PowerMac G4 MDD]

Can you explain that or provide some picture that show it?

Look it up. Its lines and curves make it look like a 1990s beast - mostly from the front.

EDIT: It seems to look more 90s-ish in person. I have seen several so far, in person. For some reason, I cannot upload photos here at school.

 

[lowendlinux]

Look it up. Its lines and curves make it look like a 1990s beast - mostly from the front.

EDIT: It seems to look more 90s-ish in person. I have seen several so far, in person.

Again can you show some pic's?? I don't think it looks 90's at all though I do think it looks atrocious

 

[PowerMac G4 MDD]

I cannot upload photos for some reason, but try this link: http://www.edmunds.com/toyota/prius/2016/

This was a link from a Google Image search. The front, while not as rounded as a 1990s car's front, looks dated. I feel as though I have seen similar styles played with on 1990s cars - and I don't mean most; I'm referring to those later 1990s cars that are very out there. It does, however, look meaner than one. IDK, it kinda reminds me of the kind of design you'd see from a Pontiac Aztek's front, or perhaps some mid-1990s car of some sort.

 

[Weaselboy]

I cannot upload photos for some reason...

Here we go.

Yeah... that thing is kind of homely looking. I have always thought Toyota made it look a little odd/different on purpose with the thought being that Prius drivers want the car to be easily identifiable for what it is.

 

[JamesMike]

Here we go.

Yeah... that thing is kind of homely looking. I have always thought Toyota made it look a little odd/different on purpose with the thought being that Prius drivers want the car to be easily identifiable for what it is.

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A unusal front-end.

 

[Alphazoid]

I rode in one recently (Uber) and the ride was serene and comfortable. But interior wise; cheap plastics/leatherette galore.

I think the 2011 facelift is the best design they've ever had.

Distinct yet still appropriate.

The new one just looks...wrong on so many levels

 

[0388631]

The Prius has followed the original body design of the 1st generation Prius. There are a lot of Priuses in California and most of them are terrible drivers. You can find many examples of that online. The Priuses were solar roofs are brilliant though.

Yes, Lexus still does include the auto tilt down side mirrors in the ES. I just have the mirror toggle pushed to the right side or the left side, so that the side mirrors will tilt down. But I have the mirror toggle in the center. Position.

Probably best you stick to that. The gearing is supposedly plastic or was. Funny why Lexus didn't go with a non-rusting alloy. Regardless, enjoy the car. Once your break in period is done with if you follow it, take a long road trip. You're going to be surprised at just how comfortable you'll be after driving for 4-5 hours straight.

 

[2298754]

2017 Genesis G80 Refresh Revealed, Includes New Sport Model

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthre...G80-Refresh-Revealed-Includes-New-Sport-Model

Genesis brand has released a blitz G80 and G80 Sport models at the Busan Motor Show 2016 held in BEXCO, Busan 2 days.

Scheduled for release next month, G80 is characterized by a partial change of the existing model, the second generation Genesis DH, refine and enhance the exterior design advanced safety and convenience features. In addition, Genesys brand has introduced a new G80 Sport models equipped with a Lambda 3.3 GDi turbo gasoline engine.

G80 is scheduled for the fourth quarter of this year launched the sport's highest output 370 horsepower (ps), maximum dynamic torque 52.0kgf · m and equipped a powerful engine performance. G80 Sport is reportedly to deliver maximum torque from low and medium speed range based on the twin-turbo system, support the real driving gasokgam 5.0 engine level.

The exterior is finished in a more refined and differentiated design through the mesh-type front grille and rear dual twin muffler tips. Applying an air curtain on both sides of the front bumper improves the aerodynamic performance and has implemented a future-oriented image at the same time. Following aspects are maximized through the luxury matt chrome moldings and garnishes.

G80 Sport is a powerful engine as well as the performance of the braking performance meets the collapse sports seats in diameter was wrapped improve the bearing capacity of the entire passenger body and driving such a dedicated 3-spoke steering wheel and distinctive engine sound depending on the driving mode improves grip for maximized fun.

Meanwhile, Genesis will showcase the brand new diesel models G80 and the first half of next year. Genesis is planning to actively respond to the needs of our customers in various markets through the diversification of powertrain lineup.

Overall, I think it looks pretty damn good. The V8 is going away for a new TTV6

 

[bunnspecial]

I'd kill for a 1959 MG MGA in dark silver metallic. It would sport a two-tone hazelnut leather with a maroon soft-top with white stitching.

I heartily endorse that choice, esp. a 59 or later to get the benefit of front disks.

I've never driven a A, but I think the B uses the same front axle and brakes. For 1960s technology and no power assist, they are remarkably effective. I can lock my wheels on dry pavement without too much effort, and the lack of assist gives wonderful pedal feel.

I'd love to have an MGA in my "fleet" but time, money, and space dictate that it won't happen any time soon. My parts guy is always trying to talk me into buying one-he has a half dozen As(not for sale) and races a 59 coupe. I'd REALLY love a Twin Cam, reliability problems and all

 

[PowerMac G4 MDD]

Here we go.

Yeah... that thing is kind of homely looking. I have always thought Toyota made it look a little odd/different on purpose with the thought being that Prius drivers want the car to be easily identifiable for what it is.

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I live in California, and every model of Prius (except for the scarce 1st-gen model) is absolutely EVERYWHERE and the drivers are both slow AND extremely unskilled. 90% of them are just complete idiots who shouldn't be on the road. On top of that, they're a complete eye-sore, and the 2016 Prius (which I've seen several of so far) takes it to a whole new level. I would have heightened the rear end some so that it doesn't look as though it has a cheesy rear-wing/spoiler on it. I'd also not make it look like a glorified 1990s car - it totally looks 1990s-inspired.

Anyway, I've been the 2nd and 3rd-gen Prius several times - in fact, we even had one as a rental at some point. It drove like a tin can, felt like a tin can, and didn't get the mileage advertised. First off, it's not that impressive of a car. It costs tons of money, and the only thing that makes it 'efficient' is the fact that its engine is so powerless, it HAS to be conserving fuel... that is, while you're not flooring it to get up to freeway speeds. It only seemed to drive in electric mode under 20MPH.

And, not only did it just suck in general, it had features that made me want to pull my hair out. For example, it has this horrible gear shifter that snaps back into place; the stick (if you can call it a stick) doesn't physically stay where you shift it. Trying to simply put it into reverse was an unnecessary fumble. And, if I can remember, we had to first put the shifter in park before going into reverse. This was six years ago, so I cannot quite remember, but all I know is that, from drive, it couldn't go straight into reverse without something stupid being done first. Oh, and when in reverse, an ear-splitting beeping tone would sound on the INSIDE of the car. It was asinine. That car was an utter piece of crap. Screw the Prius; it's one of California's worst poisonings.

Oh, and the Prius V is an even bigger crime. Sick of seeing this trend of automakers seemingly taking an air compressor to their initial car designs and then inflating them into a station wagon. That car makes my eyes bleed; and a nearby neighbor has one in bright red. Gag me.

 

[Weaselboy]

Gag me.

Just so I'm clear, you don't plan to buy a Prius then?

 

[2298754]

Audi just revealed the B9/MKII A5/S5. Looks pretty good overall. Some tweaks to the older one, but it's an all-new platform.

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthread.php?7953921-2017-Audi-A5-live-debut

A5

S5

 

[PowerMac G4 MDD]

Just so I'm clear, you don't plan to buy a Prius then?

I'd actually like to get behind the wheel of one and humor myself. xD

 

[0388631]

I heartily endorse that choice, esp. a 59 or later to get the benefit of front disks.

I've never driven a A, but I think the B uses the same front axle and brakes. For 1960s technology and no power assist, they are remarkably effective. I can lock my wheels on dry pavement without too much effort, and the lack of assist gives wonderful pedal feel.

I'd love to have an MGA in my "fleet" but time, money, and space dictate that it won't happen any time soon. My parts guy is always trying to talk me into buying one-he has a half dozen As(not for sale) and races a 59 coupe. I'd REALLY love a Twin Cam, reliability problems and all

I've been looking at ads for roughly 7 years now trying to find one close to my dream choice but have gone nowhere. Even the "fully restored" ones that top out at around 25,000 have issues such as missing parts, undercarriage rust developing, plenty of engine work to do, etc. Parts for these types of cars are hard to find. And the shops that make custom CAD parts are expensive, so you wonder if it's even worth the effort at that point. I'd love a 930 Turbo, but I imagine my investment would be better off as a down payment for a third house. Really, really love the old slant noses. There's something incredibly epic about them.

 

[bunnspecial]

I've been looking at ads for roughly 7 years now trying to find one close to my dream choice but have gone nowhere. Even the "fully restored" ones that top out at around 25,000 have issues such as missing parts, undercarriage rust developing, plenty of engine work to do, etc. Parts for these types of cars are hard to find. And the shops that make custom CAD parts are expensive, so you wonder if it's even worth the effort at that point. I'd love a 930 Turbo, but I imagine my investment would be better off as a down payment for a third house. Really, really love the old slant noses. There's something incredibly epic about them.

Most every MG part, esp. for As, Bs, and Midgets is readily available from national suppliers like Moss Motors and most are fairly reasonably priced. Surprisingly enough, a lot is also available over the counter or in a day or two from national chains like NAPA. I was able to buy a brand new production, made in England electronic SU fuel pump at NAPA that was in the back room.

Even better, once you get plugged into the MG communities you will find that there's a thriving cottage industry in making otherwise unavailable(or available at poor quality) parts or refurbishing parts. As an example, you send your Lucas distributor to Jeff Schlemmer, your old SU Fuel Pump to David DuBois, and your SU(or Z-S) carburetor to Joe Curto. I buy parts from a guy named Basil Adams out in California who knows MGs inside and out and is a great liason for navigating through all the various sources available(and often at a very nice discount).

MGAs actually have a fair bit of parts interchangeability with the MGB. They use the same BMC "B" series engine, albeit at 1500cc rather than 1800 but it's otherwise pretty similar to the early 3-main MGB engine. The drive train and suspension have a lot in common.

Nice "A"s can be had in the 12-15K range if you don't want a concourse quality one, and honestly the MG community is wonderful.

 

[Alphazoid]

Audi just revealed the B9/MKII A5/S5. Looks pretty good overall.

Looks good but everything new in their lineup is starting to look like the 2016 A4. I don't like this new trend of screens that sit on a dash, integrate it. Also don't like vents that span the whole front console. Just means more things to clean/dust.

Looks sleek though. Typical Audi interior.

 

[2298754]

Looks good but everything new in their lineup is starting to look like the 2016 A4. I don't like this new trend of screens that sit on a dash, integrate it. Also don't like vents that span the whole front console. Just means more things to clean/dust.

Looks sleek though. Typical Audi interior.

Well, this is just an A4 coupé, but I agree with you. The Germans all do this.

 

[AustinIllini]

Looks good but everything new in their lineup is starting to look like the 2016 A4. I don't like this new trend of screens that sit on a dash, integrate it. Also don't like vents that span the whole front console. Just means more things to clean/dust.

Looks sleek though. Typical Audi interior.

Audi has rested on their laurels for some time. BMW and Merc have left them in the dust. Audis are boring and too expensive.

 

[iLog.Genius]

I'm probably going to catch a bit of flack for this but here it goes...

How does that interior get so much praise? Nice of Audi to finally join BMW and Mercedes in having a horizontal-focused dash after all these years. BMW has been using that style for years yet everyone complains that it looks ancient but when Audi uses it, it's "in typical Audi fashion, they don't skimp on the interior". That layout is pretty much the same found in the G11 7er but it's outdated on the BMW and not in the A4. Forget about materials because I'm sure it's quality, but in terms of design, it works or it doesn't so I don't know how Audi gets a pass but BMW doesn't. Surprised no one is discussing how terrible the horizontal vent is and how the MMI screen is terribly implemented

 

[0388631]

You forget that BMW has been following the trend of baby, older child and parent in terms of 3, 5 and 7 series respetively. Then you had the 1 series which became the 2 series and then the 6 series in 2003, IIRC and a rumored 8 series revival. BMW design language has been relatively the same, but always improved upon. With MBZ... I can't tell you what they've done because they do something radically different every 8-10 years and slowly change their exteriors on a whole.

Most every MG part, esp. for As, Bs, and Midgets is readily available from national suppliers like Moss Motors and most are fairly reasonably priced. Surprisingly enough, a lot is also available over the counter or in a day or two from national chains like NAPA. I was able to buy a brand new production, made in England electronic SU fuel pump at NAPA that was in the back room.

Even better, once you get plugged into the MG communities you will find that there's a thriving cottage industry in making otherwise unavailable(or available at poor quality) parts or refurbishing parts. As an example, you send your Lucas distributor to Jeff Schlemmer, your old SU Fuel Pump to David DuBois, and your SU(or Z-S) carburetor to Joe Curto. I buy parts from a guy named Basil Adams out in California who knows MGs inside and out and is a great liason for navigating through all the various sources available(and often at a very nice discount).

MGAs actually have a fair bit of parts interchangeability with the MGB. They use the same BMC "B" series engine, albeit at 1500cc rather than 1800 but it's otherwise pretty similar to the early 3-main MGB engine. The drive train and suspension have a lot in common.

Nice "A"s can be had in the 12-15K range if you don't want a concourse quality one, and honestly the MG community is wonderful.

Hold it, are these for refurbished original parts or high quality reproductions? I know MBZ still makes certain parts for classics, but in this case it would be a third party with licensing rights, according to you. The closest 'clean' MGA I came across was in sterling blue with light cream interior. I wasn't too keen on driving an Easter egg.

Looks good but everything new in their lineup is starting to look like the 2016 A4. I don't like this new trend of screens that sit on a dash, integrate it. Also don't like vents that span the whole front console. Just means more things to clean/dust.

Looks sleek though. Typical Audi interior.

They're fairly boring looking cars. The new ipad style pad is to save space in the dash and make it look sleeker.

 

[quagmire]

Why did they copy Mercedes tacky iPad on the dash look? Ugh...... Why is this becoming a thing now?

 

[2298754]

Nice of Audi to finally join BMW and Mercedes in having a horizontal-focused dash after all these years. BMW has been using that style for years yet everyone complains that it looks ancient but when Audi uses it, it's "in typical Audi fashion, they don't skimp on the interior". That layout is pretty much the same found in the G11 7er but it's outdated on the BMW and not in the A4.

I'm not sure who is saying this? The G11 has been praised for its interior quality, especially over the F01.

They've all been moving towards a horizontally-focused dash for a while now. The D3 A8 from 2002 was horizontally-focused too.

The C7 A6/7 has had that design for a few years now too...

Surprised no one is discussing how terrible the horizontal vent is and how the MMI screen is terribly implemented

Agreed. It should, at least, fold-away (i.e. A3 and Q7), but Mercedes-Benz is the king of hideously integrated LCD screens.

CLS

CLA

GLS

How does that interior get so much praise?

It's getting praise because the B8's interior was horrifically dated. The B9 A4 and W205's interior make the F30 look like an economy car in comparison. All the switchgear in the Audi (and Mercedes) have heft and satisfying clicks. Can't say the same for the BMW. The interior quality of the F30 is low-rent.

 

[iLog.Genius]

I'm not sure who is saying this? The G11 has been praised for its interior quality, especially over the F01.

They've all been moving towards a horizontally-focused dash for a while now. The D3 A8 from 2002 was horizontally-focused too.

The C7 A6/7 has had that design for a few years now too...

Agreed. It should, at least, fold-away (i.e. A3 and Q7), but Mercedes-Benz is the king of hideously integrated LCD screens.

CLS

CLA

GLS

It's getting praise because the B8's interior was horrifically dated. The B9 A4 and W205's interior make the F30 look like an economy car in comparison. All the switchgear in the Audi (and Mercedes) have heft and satisfying clicks. Can't say the same for the BMW. The interior quality of the F30 is low-rent.

A lot of people. The quality is there but they complain about the layout in the G11 calling it "old, tired and dated-looking".

I should have been clear, I mean the B8 A4 with it's VW looking cubby/section for the MMI display and HVAC controls.

The only interior that deserves praise in this segment is the C-Class. The rest are ok and acceptable while the W205 is exceptional for its class.

 

[2298754]

Why did they copy Mercedes tacky iPad on the dash look? Ugh...... Why is this becoming a thing now?

Ugh, seriously. Why can't we go back to nicely integrated LCD screens? BMW did a nice job with the F10, but is abandoning that design. Current gen Lexus GS too