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Which E9x? I doubt people are picking up older variants such as ones powered by the N54. Besides, I have a feeling this recall will be further expanded as time passes by.

It was a N55. N54 don't have much of a problem selling either given the HPFP and wastegate rattles. Usually the people who pick up a used N54 have plans to mod where they're replacing/upgrading parts anyway. Of course they don't get top dollar for them but you can still get a decent return if you're a N54 owner looking to sell, it would just take time to find the correct buyer.
 
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It was a N55. N54 don't have much of a problem selling either given the HPFP and wastegate rattles. Usually the people who pick up a used N54 have plans to mod where they're replacing/upgrading parts anyway. Of course they don't get top dollar for them but you can still get a decent return if you're a N54 owner looking to sell, it would just take time to find the correct buyer.
You forgot when the turbo blows. Safe to say their extended warranty is likely up for either the max year extension from purchase date or the total engine mileage. Replacing the turbo or using your own unit is going to cost a fair chunk of money. Not a problem for someone who's got no problem spending a few thousand here and there, but I imagine the cost would be outrageous for someone who's keen on slowly modifying their car.
 

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Enough of these foreign cars

The new Cadillac CT6 is nice!!!

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They do say there's an idiot born every minute. It's right up there with Tesla fans claiming the Tesla brand is more prestigious than Rolls Royce. That's leaning on delusional, but you get what I'm trying to say. Barring the Corvette, I can't imagine why anyone would willingly spend more than 30K on an American car, unless it's a classic that's been appraised at a value higher than that. And that will continue to gain value as time goes on.

Personally, I'd go for a Cayman GT4 over the Panamera if I was going through a mid-life crisis and my kids were grown up.
 

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I could never get with Cadillac's styling. It's a hate it or love it affair for me. While the current generation cars are an improvement, I still can't get with the angular styling - it looks like the designer only used a ruler and positioned it at different angles to come up with that design. It's the same for current Lexus cars - they went overboard with the headlights and taillights (especially with the IS).
 
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Probably best you stick to that. The gearing is supposedly plastic or was. Funny why Lexus didn't go with a non-rusting alloy. Regardless, enjoy the car. Once your break in period is done with if you follow it, take a long road trip. You're going to be surprised at just how comfortable you'll be after driving for 4-5 hours straight.

I just can't believe they would use a non-rusting alloy on a car that cost over $40,000. Thanks! I've been enjoying the new car! I just love this car more and more each day!
 
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I could never get with Cadillac's styling. It's a hate it or love it affair for me. While the current generation cars are an improvement, I still can't get with the angular styling - it looks like the designer only used a ruler and positioned it at different angles to come up with that design. It's the same for current Lexus cars - they went overboard with the headlights and taillights (especially with the IS).

I can't speak for the other posters, but those other cars do sell very well here in California. With the exception of the GS-F. So much so that there are many unsold units on lots here. Not fast enough compared to those in its class, such as the M5 or E63 AMG. Of Mercedes sedans, the most popular classes are the S and E class. But I'm beginning to see more higher trimmed C models given that the W205 is much nicer inside than the W204. The center console lines are a small throwback to the W203. I'm not a fan of Lexus front ends, but I feel the cars will slowly mature into the grill style just like Audi cars did. Something distinctive, which Lexus was lacking for many years. Think about it.

I just can't believe they would use a non-rusting alloy on a car that cost over $40,000. Thanks! I've been enjoying the new car! I just love this car more and more each day!

The way I see it is that you're not reversing often. Maybe once or twice a day, and you have the option of not letting them tilt down via the selector. Either way it's quite strange given that people with very old LS430s don't have issues but someone with a new Lexus may need a replacement under warranty within a few months. I suppose weight and slippage also have a part to play.
 
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He doesn't understand that those cars generally don't sell either way.
I understand the market quite well... these flagships do sell decently. If they didn't, they wouldn't be bringing them over from Europe.

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Cadillac's problem isn't the CT6, it's the CTS and ATS, which tend to be more volume sellers which just aren't where they need to be.

Cadillac's non-crossover/SUV products are nothing short of a joke in their respective segments. They have some of the highest incentives out there, yet they still struggle to sell them.

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The S Class outsold the Cadillac CTS last year. Haha
 
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They do say there's an idiot born every minute. It's right up there with Tesla fans claiming the Tesla brand is more prestigious than Rolls Royce. That's leaning on delusional, but you get what I'm trying to say. Barring the Corvette, I can't imagine why anyone would willingly spend more than 30K on an American car, unless it's a classic that's been appraised at a value higher than that.
I agree with everything you said. There's zero reason to buy a Cadillac right now. They have some of the worst resale values in the industry, not to mention, they don't live to the Tier 1 German brands in overall experience.
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I could never get with Cadillac's styling. It's a hate it or love it affair for me.

I find that their styling has aged pretty rapidly. The pre facelift ATS already looks out of date right now. And don't even get me started on CUE and their poor interior design.
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I can't speak for the other posters, but those other cars do sell very well here in California. With the exception of the GS-F. So much so that there are many unsold units on lots here. Not fast enough compared to those in its class, such as the M5 or E63 AMG. Of Mercedes sedans, the most popular classes are the S and E class.
Same here. W222 and E classes are quite popular, but when it comes to the entry level sedans, the 3 series wins around me.
 
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The 3 series, with certain generation exceptions by Benz, has always been the most cost effective intro luxury car if you wanted to go with European. However, the price has crept up over the years. I believe a fully loaded top trim 3 series will set you back around 58,000-62,000 right now, which isn't exactly smart given that you could probably get a IS 350 F Sport with options, come in at 62,000 but get more value for your money. Plus, unlike the BMW, it won't depreciate much. And with the 3 series, you're getting Sensatech interior, which is vinyl that mimics leather to a point. It's pretty durable according to reports. I think you can only go with Dakota leather as an upgrade, which is somewhat rough IIRC. I remember it being standard on the 2010 X5 when I was comparing the X5 and GL back then. But I'm quite sure Lexus offers a leather synthetic on all their cars save for the LS. The 3 series will drive better than the IS 350 F Sport, to a point. And if I'm not mistaken, the current drive software in Lexus is roughly the same as my IS's. Which is pretty old.

Now if Lexus made something that handled like the M5, had the power of it, but slightly better MPG, I'd be a customer. Hopefully the GS F evolves into something special since Lexus seems to have missed the mark they were going for. Give me very fast sports saloon with enough power and graceful handling with the refinement and ultra quietness a Lexus offers, and I'd be a very happy owner. Our CLS is incredibly close to a big body Lexus in terms of quietness. You don't really hear it unless you gun the car. Then everything comes to life. Once the boys are older and I don't need the ultra safety of an SUV and hopefully Lexus improves rear passenger safety, I'd be a customer. Even if they make an absolute mess of the rear interior, I'd still get fantastic trade in value once I get bored of the car in a few years.


Anyway, I think the real winners of car tech are the economy car buyers down the road. There's a saying that if you want to know what your future new car will have, simply look at the S Class. The fact that Civics, Mazda 3s and other really cheap cars now have features that the S Class had many years ago proves this to be true. But at this point, I'm tempted to say the big 3 German companies along with Lexus (to a point) are going to be the pushers of that tech in the years to come.

Lane correction and lane departure warnings are incredibly helpful. I've seen way too many stupid drivers in all my years of driving.
 
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Poor little Acura.
The TL, TSX ended with the 2014 model year, so it's amazing they sold any. The ILX is hot garbage but the TLX is so much more affordable than its competitors and has sold comparatively well.

The difference between Acura and Cadillac is Acura has managed to keep at least one model relevant across its existence. As a result, the calipers still sell a lot of specific models. Currently, the TLX and MDX are strong sellers, the 3G TL was a strong seller, as was the 1G TSX. The 2G TSX was a fine offering at the low end of the brand, but they replaced it with something a lot worse.

Cadillac's problem is and has always been staying relevant and fresh. Instead of iterating the CTS, Cadillac pushed the model too far upmarket and brought in the ATS which is significantly worse than the CTS ever was. All the while, Cadillac is still playing catchup because it went through decades where the Germans and the Japanese were eating the brand's lunch.

In short, Acura has managed to squeeze into the market like the last person on an elevator, whereas Cadillac is waiting outside, unable to get in.
 
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The issue with Acura is that they're boring and charging quite a bit for what's essentially a glorified Honda. Acura has been tacking on reliability issues as well. It's a sad state of affairs all around. They're safe cars for the person who doesn't want a Toyota or a Honda. They're not as expensive as a Lexus, and they're "nice" to look at. I don't see many of them on the road. The two most popular models from Acura in the last 16 years would be the RSX and the TSX, which attracted youthful buyers.
 

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The issue with Acura is that they're boring and charging quite a bit for what's essentially a glorified Honda. Acura has been tacking on reliability issues as well. It's a sad state of affairs all around. They're safe cars for the person who doesn't want a Toyota or a Honda. They're not as expensive as a Lexus, and they're "nice" to look at. I don't see many of them on the road. The two most popular models from Acura in the last 16 years would be the RSX and the TSX, which attracted youthful buyers.
Considering what Honda has been doing lately with their upper trims, I wouldn't be able to justify the markup for the Acura badge.
 

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Considering what Honda has been doing lately with their upper trims, I wouldn't be able to justify the markup for the Acura badge.
The main issue here is that most of Honda's model trims now come with a CVT, unless there's a manual option. I believe only one trim of the Accord at the EX-L V6 level comes with a six speed automatic. The Pilot comes standard with a traditional automatic transmission. There are trims out there by various manufacturers where they use faux gearing with paddle shifters to simulate a traditional automatic, but are still amiss. The Pilot uses a six speed auto with an optional ZF transmission; it's a 9 speed. The ZF8 at various levels in European cars is a powerhouse; see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZF_8HP_transmission#Applications, with ones used in sports cars capable of taking on a lot of torque before breaking. I'd say any troublesome transmissions made by ZF can be fixed with an update but in most cases it's the manufacturer who wants them within a certain spec and cost ratio.

Going further off topic, in this instance, if one were looking at off road vehicles, I'd say you'd be better off with the Honda Pilot. You can except your new Jeep sans the Wrangler to considerably drop in value. And if you're deadset on a Wrangler, you'd be better off getting it second hand.

TL;DR: I don't think anyone will like the CVT lineup with Honda and we're going to see a lot of trade ins because of it. No one wants to hear that growl when driving.
 

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I understand the market quite well... these flagships do sell decently. If they didn't, they wouldn't be bringing them over from Europe.

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Cadillac's non-crossover/SUV products are nothing short of a joke in their respective segments. They have some of the highest incentives out there, yet they still struggle to sell them.

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The S Class outsold the Cadillac CTS last year. Haha

Don't give me that crap about resale value... I could get a 2013 fully loaded M5 from Carmax for $45 grand.... Lower than that for a Panamera... You need to browse Carmax for a second
 

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Don't give me that crap about resale value... I could get a 2013 fully loaded M5 from Carmax for $45 grand.... Lower than that for a Panamera... You need to browse Carmax for a second
And go look at last gen CTS V prices. Or even slightly used ATS and CTS prices and compare them to the Germans. You aren't comparing apples to apples.

Cadillac has some of the highest incentive rates in the luxury business. That's the only way they can move any volume. Or they'll dump them into fleets (another GM trademark).

Also how do you explain the sheer number of old/previous model year BRAND NEW Cadillacs still on dealer lots across the country?

On that note, there's no reason for me to argue with someone who doesn't know how any of this works. Bye bye
 
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And go look at last gen CTS V prices. Or even slightly used ATS and CTS prices and compare them to the Germans. You aren't comparing apples to apples.

Cadillac has some of the highest incentive rates in the luxury business. That's the only way they can move any volume. Or they'll dump them into fleets (another GM trademark).

Also how do you explain the sheer number of old/previous model year BRAND NEW Cadillacs still on dealer lots across the country?

On that note, there's no reason for me to argue with someone who doesn't know how any of this works. Bye bye

They are not selling due to snobbery if you really wanna be really honest... Most people only buy foreign cars because for some odd reason it projects this fake ass status of wealth... I put that in the same category with the people that buy 2500HD monster trucks to COMPENSATE FOR THEIR SMALLER BIOLOGICAL PACKAGES.. Take it how you want!

The reason why Cadillacs are not selling is because you have this dumb ass notion "why spend $60k on a Cadillac where I can spend that money on and Audi" And when people make that dumb ass argument... The only justifiable reason your average person comes up with is not that the paint, or the Powertrain, or the leather seats is superior... It's this immature ass notion that the Audi makes me "look like I have money"

And say what you want about Cadillac, the ATS drives better the 3 series all the way to the M, CTS raises the bar when it comes to the 5 series where it all boils down to drivers taste but still.. The CTS drives better than the 5er... Let's not compare about what the V does to the M

And let's not talk about how an M3 got smacked by the 6gen Camaro. You know stuff likes that really matters, no one really cares about resale value when 95% of German car are leased anyway!!! And I wonder why?

Only poor people or people in the lower middle class care about resale value and honestly have no business buy a German luxury. Your average person that goes in to buy an S class doesn't even negotiate... They just say "where do I sign"
 
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They are not selling due to snobbery if you really wanna be really honest... Most people only buy foreign cars because for some odd reason it projects this fake ass status of wealth... I put that in the same category with the people that buy 2500HD monster trucks to COMPENSATE FOR THEIR SMALLER BIOLOGICAL PACKAGES.. Take it how you want!

The reason why Cadillacs are not selling is because you have this dumb ass notion "why spend $60k on a Cadillac where I can spend that money on and Audi" And when people make that dumb ass argument... The only justifiable reason your average person comes up with is not that the paint, or the Powertrain, or the leather seats is superior... It's this immature ass notion that the Audi makes me "look like I have money"

Very insightful comments. Keep 'em coming!

And say what you want about Cadillac, the ATS drives better the 3 series all the way to the M, CTS raises the bar when it comes to the 5 series where it all boils down to drivers taste but still.. The CTS drives better than the 5er... Let's not compare about what the V does to the M

To be fair, they didn't raise the bar. Cadillac was merely benchmarking old BMW models, such as the E46 (ATS development) and E39/60 (for the ATS.) If anything, Cadillac was playing catch-up.

And let's not talk about how an M3 got smacked by the 6gen Camaro.
They don't compete... at all. That's like saying a GT350 is better than a 911. The statement makes no sense. Someone who is buying a C63/M3 isn't looking at a Camaro.

You know stuff likes that really matters, no one really cares about resale value when 95% of German car are leased anyway!!! And I wonder why? Only poor people or people in the lower middle class care about resale value and honestly have no business buy a German luxury.

Um... Do you understand how leases work? You pay for the depreciation over X months. The resale value (i.e residuals) have a direct impact in the monthly payments. You can often lease a 3/C for less than the ATS. Same with a 5/E over the CTS. Why? They depreciate less, which leads to lower payments.

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Your average person that goes in to buy an S class doesn't even negotiate... They just say "where do I sign"

Oh really? Please tell me more about the buying patterns of a $100k car buyer.
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The two most popular models from Acura in the last 16 years would be the RSX and the TSX, which attracted youthful buyers.

The 3rd gen TL was super popular back in the day. Loved the looks of that car. Probably the pinnacle of Acura design. Now they've ended up with their 3rd+ owners and are usually beat-up.

These days, the MDX and RDX are pretty much the only Acuras I see.
 
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The problem with buying a 2013 M5 is that those M5s and even their regular F10 counterparts are depreciating quickly. They're on an old platform. While $45,000 is a good price for a near 600 HP (Let's just go with 600 HP since BMW under rates) saloon, the maintenance and repairs are unlike a regular 5 series. And if the M5 is like any other high performance German car, you'll be regularly topping off oil. Even if you did the work yourself, you're still going to shell out more than the regular F10s or even a CTS-V's repair cost. Unfortunately, the E60 also suffered severe depreciation. A lot of people flock to the old E39 M5. A decent one with high miles will set you back around $20,000. A really good one with low miles may as well cost as much as a loaded M4. Aside from the current M generation, the M3 or M4 will hold their value longer.

Most people are shocked by the repair costs, even at an indie shop using OEM or aftermarket parts specced to the OEM.

If you're deadset on a pre-owned M car, get the M4. It'll hold its value longer, plus it's practically a rocket ship. It's got a very stiff ride though. The only people I've seen driving CTS-Vs or other high performance Cadillac are people with too much money and little knowledge on cars and doctors. My GP sold his GT3 for a CTS-V. I'm still trying to come up with a reason as to why he did that. Unfortunately, it wouldn't be kosher for me to suggest he see a neurologist.


P.S. BMW and MBZ (Don't know about Audi) Lease and Finance rates on their site are over inflated. They, the dealers, will happily chuck 200-300 off the monthly to get you to sign. I'm hearing of people getting an S550 for around $700, which is a pretty awesome deal if I do say so myself.
 
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They are not selling due to snobbery if you really wanna be really honest... Most people only buy foreign cars because for some odd reason it projects this fake ass status of wealth... I put that in the same category with the people that buy 2500HD monster trucks to COMPENSATE FOR THEIR SMALLER BIOLOGICAL PACKAGES.. Take it how you want!

The reason why Cadillacs are not selling is because you have this dumb ass notion "why spend $60k on a Cadillac where I can spend that money on and Audi" And when people make that dumb ass argument... The only justifiable reason your average person comes up with is not that the paint, or the Powertrain, or the leather seats is superior... It's this immature ass notion that the Audi makes me "look like I have money"

And say what you want about Cadillac, the ATS drives better the 3 series all the way to the M, CTS raises the bar when it comes to the 5 series where it all boils down to drivers taste but still.. The CTS drives better than the 5er... Let's not compare about what the V does to the M

And let's not talk about how an M3 got smacked by the 6gen Camaro. You know stuff likes that really matters, no one really cares about resale value when 95% of German car are leased anyway!!! And I wonder why?

Only poor people or people in the lower middle class care about resale value and honestly have no business buy a German luxury. Your average person that goes in to buy an S class doesn't even negotiate... They just say "where do I sign"

So you're saying anyone who drives anything nicer than the infamous Daewoo Lanos (aka the "perfect car in every way") is just a snob who is overcompensating for a small penis (or I assume... breasts for our female members?).

In my opinion $50,000 car is a $50,000 car, is a $50,000 car- regardless of it being a Cadillac, Chevy, BMW or an Audi. What weighs more, 100lbs of bricks or 100lbs of feathers? I don't see spending $50,000 on a Cadillac more or less prestigious than buying a $50,000 Mercedes or $50,000 on a Yukon or $50,000 on a Toyota Highlander. You can easily spend over $60,000 on a pickup truck these days. Hell, my cousin just dropped like $60,000+ on a 2016 Tahoe Z71.

It is possible that some people buy luxury euro brands because they are better satisfied with the features and performance of the car. Up until very recently Cadillac wasn't even in the realm of competition for many of the luxury brands. For example, driven both my grandparent's ~2011 Cadillac DTS and 2008 Mercedes E350 4Matic, the interior quality differences are profound. Both cars costing around $50,000, it's like comparing a childrent's Playskool Party (toy) Kitchen with a custom chef's kitchen with cherry cabinets and Viking appliances. The second gen CTS was a huge improvement for Cadillac, until the interior was essentially cloned into entry level chevy vehicles and it lost its luster. I've driven the ATS, it drove great, on par or better than an A4 or 3-series, but interior quality was still a few notches below expectation. Cadillac's resale on most models isn't great. Their tech has consistently lagged behind their rivals. They've also failed at entering the SUV market which is very significant. The Escalade was popular 15min in the early 2000's when there wasn't much competition, but those days are over. Charing $75k when they're essentially rebadging a $65k Yukon Denali or $55k well equipped Tahoe isn't going to cut it. The SRX/new XTS just scream Chevy products.

Cadillac had some good momentum going with the release of the gen 2 CTS and then the ATS, but they really can't get a break. I think a big factor is their brand name and association with old farts. They can't expect to compete in the big leagues at full price with their current products. Same with Lincoln. Same with Chrysler. They should take note from Jaguar and even Volvo who have really reinvented themselves. I couldn't believe the price tag on the new 2016 XC90 T6 AWD... realistically $55-60K up to $70k+ w/options... with a 4cyl? I can't count the number of soccer moms driving these around the greater Boston area now a few months later. (Yes, now they have the cheaper T5 coming out, but i have yet to see one)

Anyways, sure, I'm sure there some people who buy a Mercedes or BMW largely because of the name and wanting to "appear rich"- or better yet represent their emotional value through materialism. Granted, there are also a lot of wealthy people who buy luxury cars not to "appear rich" but because they can afford a premium quality car, just like a 10,0000sq ft house versus an apartment. These people seeking to "appear rich" typically learn pretty quickly if they cannot afford to own a BMW or Mercedes. I grew up in Fairfield County, the region of CT outside NYC- one of the most affluent areas in CT, home to business execs, Wall Street bankers, celebrities, etc. I'm not bragging, just stating the reality (the truth is I loath that place and never intend on moving back). An article a couple years back stated that 3 of the 5 top selling brands in one of the towns were Mercedes, BMW, and Lexus, with an average of over 1.5 porches per 100 residents (not cars, drivers, or adults- evidently a high #), dozens of cars tax valued over $150,000 per town, etc. I can tell you from the ~20 years I lived there people driving a Mercedes, BMW, Audi, Lexus, Cadillac, Land Rovers, etc aren't exactly turning heads since they are so prevalent. Unless you were driving something exotic (Rolls, Bentley, Ferrari, Porsche, etc), you wouldn't be drawing much attention. Still, exotics are fairly common sights around town. The cars that drew the most attention were usually high end classic's- something like an Aston Martin DB4 or DB5.

That said, there are plenty of rich people who don't drive luxury vehicles. Some of the wealthiest people I know with net worth's in the tens, possibly hundreds of millions drive Toyotas or Fords. I think it really boils down to taste and interest and what people value spending their money on. Anyone who is naive enough to think a Mercedes driver is automatically a millionaire is... well, naive.

My father is in his early 60's. He's a very successful guy in finance, but pretty modest. In 2003 my dad bought a ~$55,000 Land Cruiser, complete with a Toyota badge. For that money he could have easily picked up an BMW X5, Mercedes ML, Cadillac Escalade (at that time really especially a glorified Tahoe), etc. In 2009 he bought a BMW 5-series, looking for a comfortable car with better gas milage, and the 5 was a top rated vehicle in its class. In reality, he's always wanted a Toyota Tacoma (which he could certainly afford on his salary- but thats another story). A big reason he went with the BMW is that he had formed his own company and needed to display an image of success with potential clientele. He's a not a BMW guy at all and ended up giving me the car 4 years later when I graduated college. Now he drives a Range Rover Sport :rolleyes: but I guess it better fits him.

I was just looking at BMW's today to replace my current E60 535i. Over the past few years I've been happy with it. I have but am concerned about its age and potential reliability issues. In fact it rained to day and the passenger door filled up with water. Occasionally someone will complement my car and I always find the need to say its 7 years old with over 100k miles and was a hand-me-down, freebie. But now that I've been spoiled with the refinement, quality, technology, and performance of the E60 (a truly great car but IMO ugly as sin), a lot of the cars I've looked like despite years newer somehow seem like a step backward. Even the F10 535i while possessing a much nicer interior feels a bit lacking in the driving dynamics department compared to what I have. I've also been looking into VW Touareg TDI's- basically a Cayenne with a few less options, 1/3 cheaper, cheaper repairs, cheaper insurance, and without the ostentatious badging. Similarly looking at the Grand Cherokee Ecodiesel. Possibly X5 or LR4 as well.

I'd consider myself financially stable and comfortable- no debt, great job, great income, minimal expenses, savings, investments, etc. I'm not buying a European car to "look rich" or create some illusion of success. I consider myself independently successful already regardless of my car. I'm not even sure what "rich" is quite frankly- its a broad term. I consider myself an auto enthusiast and I suppose have high standards of what I like to see in a car. Sure a Daewoo Lanos can get me from point A to B, but not with the features I'd like to have, and I can afford them.
 

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How often is the RRS in the shop? :p You might find solace in an E class or an Audi if you want to go there... As far as moving back goes, I grew up in a very affluent area. Swore up and down I'd never go back to where we lived. I've made a lot of wise choices in my life that allowed me to make a hefty amount of money. What did I do? I bought a house in the city I grew up in. Life's funny like that.

If you ever want to move to California, we've got plenty of houses here. Prices top out here at 10M and start at around 2M. It's not Boston or Fairfield, but most people like it here. It's quite, serene, private. The best part? No snow!
 
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