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A lot of people. The quality is there but they complain about the layout in the G11 calling it "old, tired and dated-looking".

I should have been clear, I mean the B8 A4 with it's VW looking cubby/section for the MMI display and HVAC controls.


The only interior that deserves praise in this segment is the C-Class. The rest are ok and acceptable while the W205 is exceptional for its class.
Really? It shares a few console design cues from the W203. I kind of like/hate BMW's interior design. It's timeless. It looks like a space ship at night. It evokes pleasure from your inner geek. The only complaint most people have with BMW aside from reliability issues cropping up after the warranty, is using leatherette material on the 3-4 series, which is upgrade-able, IIRC. The 5 series and X5 get Dakota leather, which is rough, but you can get Napa, and I believe the 6 and 7 series come with Napa leather standard. Napa is incredibly soft and plush, while long lasting. Because if you're on a small budget and 60 grand is the most you can afford, then getting a 3/4 series and not getting actual leather is a bit of an issue. Real leather keeps your back and ass dry during the summer, unlike leatherette that doesn't and cooled seats don't help much.

Edit: Are we allowed to use that word?
 

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Really? It shares a few console design cues from the W203. I kind of like/hate BMW's interior design. It's timeless. It looks like a space ship at night. It evokes pleasure from your inner geek. The only complaint most people have with BMW aside from reliability issues cropping up after the warranty, is using leatherette material on the 3-4 series, which is upgrade-able, IIRC. The 5 series and X5 get Dakota leather, which is rough, but you can get Napa, and I believe the 6 and 7 series come with Napa leather standard. Napa is incredibly soft and plush, while long lasting. Because if you're on a small budget and 60 grand is the most you can afford, then getting a 3/4 series and not getting actual leather is a bit of an issue. Real leather keeps your back and ass dry during the summer, unlike leatherette that doesn't and cooled seats don't help much.

Edit: Are we allowed to use that word?

Personally, I think the W205 interior, overall, is just on another level compared to the 3er, A4, ATS, IS. Like it's not even close.

As for the 3/4er interior, I'm with you. I'm not going post on message boards that the 3/4er interiors are great but they are the most functional in its class. Everything is where it should be, you never have to look to find a button you want and it's a very clean look (see: @AutoUnion39 attached interior pic of 3er). It's not going to rival the W205 interior but with the right combination of leather, trim and walknappa dash, it can turn a very simple and functional interior to something a lot more.
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A lot of people. The quality is there but they complain about the layout in the G11 calling it "old, tired and dated-looking".

Not really. I don't mean from the forums either. All of the press has lauded its interior design and quality. Truthfully, every car in this segment falls short of the W222, which, BTW, looks like a night-club inside at night.

http://www.consumerreports.org/bmw/video-first-drive-review-2016-bmw-7-series/

The luxurious interior provides a fabulous driving position with tons of adjustments and supremely comfortable seats. The sumptuous rear seat makes you feel at least like a president, if not a king, and even offers a massage feature and the ability to electrically control the sun shades. Climate control, audio choices, and more are controlled through an Android tablet that’s nestled in the elaborate armrest. Interior quality is simply superb, with diamond-shaped seat patterns, attractive stitching details, genuine wood and leather, and touches of aluminum all fitting together in harmony. The result is a modern ambience without looking glitzy.

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/08/27/2016-bmw-7-series-first-drive-review-video/

The obsession paid off, and the new cabin feels like it's at the forefront of modern design compared to the one in the aged fifth-generation 7 Series. Our test car is done up in ivory white and black. Wood and gray metal trim bisect the dashboard and the cabin. The black sport steering wheel is accented with gray stitching. The seats look and feel creamy, and we rest our noggin against the soft headrest when traffic slows.

http://www.edmunds.com/bmw/7-series/2016/review/#leaderboard-reviews-2-anchor

Interior Design and Special Features

While the outgoing 7 Series' cabin design was pretty conservative, the new 2016 model goes all-in on the latest technology. The overall dashboard design does have a familiar BMW look, but we could fill an entire review with the redesigned 7's various features and innovations. A standard LED "light carpet" illuminates your entry as you approach the car.

...

BMW has clearly gone in an upmarket direction this time around in order to challenge the decidedly fancy S-Class

http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/2016-bmw-7-series-first-drive/#:zNy98TBcEmAIGA

  • Luscious interior looks (and feels) like a first-class airline cabin

http://www.thecarconnection.com/overview/bmw_7-series_2016

Inside, BMW continues some of the design themes it’s already embarked upon with other recent vehicles. The instrument panel gets more shelf-like and horizontal than ever. There’s more brightwork here than in the outgoing 7-Series, with a satin-metallic look that also involves the facing for climate and audio controls. Yet the look remains relatively formal.

The cabin of the 2016 BMW 7-Series is one fine place to spend some time. The wood, leather, and metal materials are of the highest quality. Not only that, but BMW has found new ways to pay attention to the details

http://www.automobilemag.com/news/2016-bmw-7-series-review/

The interior, thankfully, breaks out of complacent BMW-ness. The driver faces a meaty sport steering wheel and 12.3-inch digital driver’s cluster. Galvanized metal and porcelain switches, touch-sensitive temperature sliders for upper air-conditioning vents, and a nicely reshaped automatic shifter replace aging, overly familiar BMW switchgear. Leather is convincingly high-quality, especially in quilted and perforated BMW Individual trim.

Overall, the redesigned cabin doesn’t quite match the flowing, Matisse-like artistry of the Mercedes S-Class’, but it flatters several senses and brings its own one-upping technology to bear

The only complaint I have about the G11 (personally) is the frumpy exterior styling.
 

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Curious... @AutoUnion39, I take it you've driven the new S class. Just how quiet is the faux discotheque? I've been told one could run over a grown dog and not hear it scream.
 

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Hold it, are these for refurbished original parts or high quality reproductions? I know MBZ still makes certain parts for classics, but in this case it would be a third party with licensing rights, according to you. The closest 'clean' MGA I came across was in sterling blue with light cream interior. I wasn't too keen on driving an Easter egg.

There are crap tons of new production parts available, although as I said of varying quality. You can more or less build an MGB out of a catalog. British Motor Heritage still stamps complete body shells from the original tooling.

Since the company that made the cars is more or less defunct, there are no remaining "authorized" repair parts but the industry still thrives. A lot of the OEM suppliers are still around, although Lucas parts now are hit or miss. SU still makes new fuel pumps and carburetors, along with VERY high quality repair parts for their old ones.

And, as an example of the cottage industry stuff, I'll mention axle rebound straps. The A and B both have virtually identical rear suspension that's fairly antiquated by today's standards(although none the less works well on these little lightweight cars). They have a live axle suspended by a leaf spring at each end and an Armstrong lever action shock dampen motion. In all of this assembly, there is what was originally a rubberized cloth strap that attached between the axle and the body on each side to limit the maximum downward motion. Mine were still serviceable-although showing their age-when I replaced them at 45 years old as part of a complete rear suspension rebuild. I've been widely advised that the new ones from Moss aren't very good, but for $30 a set a guy out in California makes some from parachute grade nylon(that's as compared to $20/set from Moss).

And, again, for something that's not available new, chances are someone rebuilds old ones.

Just earlier this week, I bought a brand new, in box Lucas 25D4 distributor. The construction isn't as good as my original, but the car runs a LOT better with it than with my old sloppy one. I'm sending the old one to Jeff Schlemmer for a rebuild and recurve and will swap it back in when I get it back(probably in 3-4 months).

Probably the only things not available "off the shelf" are new production engines, transmissions, and other major drive train components. At the same time, the B-series engine(used in both the A and the B, although with different displacements in the two cars) was a mainstay for BMC and later British Leyland so there are TONS of them around along with most anything you would need to make a solid block functional. They're a pretty bullet proof engine anyway. Although they don't turn out huge horsepower numbers, they have a fairly long stroke which makes them very torquey. The only real weakness in the design is the "siamese" exhaust ports(one port for 1 and 2, one port for 3 and 4) restricts flow somewhat. The design also makes the Cylinder #3 exhaust valve(valve #6) run fairly hot and it's prone to erosion if the engine is run lean for too long. Aside from that, though, they just keep ticking away and will often even seemingly run fine even with serious problems. You will need to pop the valve cover every couple thousand miles and adjust valve lash, but that's a 10 minute job after you've done it a few times.

And, all that aside, I like to keep mine original but do make some concessions to modern technology. The earlier Bs(and I think As also) had a pair of 6 volt batteries in series. Most everyone now runs a single 12V battery that nicely fits in one of the battery boxes-these are lighter than the dual batteries, more available, have fewer connections to cause problems, and simply are better batteries. Electronic hall effect sensors are available to replace the often problematic points in SU fuel pumps, both as a bolt-on for existing pumps and as a complete pump. My car came with an aftermarket electronic pump that worked fine and is pretty readily available, and I still carry that pump in just in case(the biggest fault of most of the aftermarket pumps is that they run all the time and make one heck of a racket). I reluctantly installed a Pertronix electronic ignition-actually prefitted to the distributor I mentioned above-primarily because ignition points are a bit hit or miss in quality.

Although mine is driveable(I drove it ~60 miles home right after buying it) it has turned into a bit of a rolling restoration as I tackle small jobs along the way. Probably the biggest was the rear suspension rebuild necessitated by a broken spring, which consisted of two new leaf springs, all new rubber bushings/pads, new rebound straps, and all new hardware. I've put a new(factory style) exhaust on, and most recently rebuilt the steering. I have the clutch hydraulics, a cooling system flush/rebuild, and a four wheel brake job(including hydraulics) to do.

I do virtually all the work myself, and rarely need more than a floor jack, a couple of jackstands, and a basic set of hand tools(sockets and wrenches) to do a repair. About 80% of electrical diagnostics can be done with nothing more than a 12V test light(which you can make yourself if you're really cheap) and the rest just need a basic VOM to get everything done although a true automotive meter helps. I also have a timing light that gets a decent amount of use, but many folks get by fine doing nothing more than static timing(which is done with a 12V test lamp) and road tuning. After rebuilding the steering, I set the front end alignment in my garage with a piece of string, a couple of wrenches, a set of vice grips, and a few trips around the block to test adjustments.
 

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PIt's not going to rival the W205 interior but with the right combination of leather, trim and walknappa dash, it can turn a very simple and functional interior to something a lot more.


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This looks better, but it's basically impossible to get the full-leather dash in the F30/F32. It's been on and off the order guides. One way is BMW Individual, but they still have to approve it and it is $$$.

You can get it on the F80/F82 easily, but, of course, that's a higher end car and it still doesn't solve the issue of cheap plastics.
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Curious... @AutoUnion39, I take it you've driven the new S class. Just how quiet is the faux discotheque? I've been told one could run over a grown dog and not hear it scream.
Haha, it's super quiet. I find the ambient lighting absurd though.

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There are crap tons of new production parts available, although as I said of varying quality. You can more or less build an MGB out of a catalog. British Motor Heritage still stamps complete body shells from the original tooling.

Since the company that made the cars is more or less defunct, there are no remaining "authorized" repair parts but the industry still thrives. A lot of the OEM suppliers are still around, although Lucas parts now are hit or miss. SU still makes new fuel pumps and carburetors, along with VERY high quality repair parts for their old ones.

And, as an example of the cottage industry stuff, I'll mention axle rebound straps. The A and B both have virtually identical rear suspension that's fairly antiquated by today's standards(although none the less works well on these little lightweight cars). They have a live axle suspended by a leaf spring at each end and an Armstrong lever action shock dampen motion. In all of this assembly, there is what was originally a rubberized cloth strap that attached between the axle and the body on each side to limit the maximum downward motion. Mine were still serviceable-although showing their age-when I replaced them at 45 years old as part of a complete rear suspension rebuild. I've been widely advised that the new ones from Moss aren't very good, but for $30 a set a guy out in California makes some from parachute grade nylon(that's as compared to $20/set from Moss).

And, again, for something that's not available new, chances are someone rebuilds old ones.

Just earlier this week, I bought a brand new, in box Lucas 25D4 distributor. The construction isn't as good as my original, but the car runs a LOT better with it than with my old sloppy one. I'm sending the old one to Jeff Schlemmer for a rebuild and recurve and will swap it back in when I get it back(probably in 3-4 months).

Probably the only things not available "off the shelf" are new production engines, transmissions, and other major drive train components. At the same time, the B-series engine(used in both the A and the B, although with different displacements in the two cars) was a mainstay for BMC and later British Leyland so there are TONS of them around along with most anything you would need to make a solid block functional. They're a pretty bullet proof engine anyway. Although they don't turn out huge horsepower numbers, they have a fairly long stroke which makes them very torquey. The only real weakness in the design is the "siamese" exhaust ports(one port for 1 and 2, one port for 3 and 4) restricts flow somewhat. The design also makes the Cylinder #3 exhaust valve(valve #6) run fairly hot and it's prone to erosion if the engine is run lean for too long. Aside from that, though, they just keep ticking away and will often even seemingly run fine even with serious problems. You will need to pop the valve cover every couple thousand miles and adjust valve lash, but that's a 10 minute job after you've done it a few times.

And, all that aside, I like to keep mine original but do make some concessions to modern technology. The earlier Bs(and I think As also) had a pair of 6 volt batteries in series. Most everyone now runs a single 12V battery that nicely fits in one of the battery boxes-these are lighter than the dual batteries, more available, have fewer connections to cause problems, and simply are better batteries. Electronic hall effect sensors are available to replace the often problematic points in SU fuel pumps, both as a bolt-on for existing pumps and as a complete pump. My car came with an aftermarket electronic pump that worked fine and is pretty readily available, and I still carry that pump in just in case(the biggest fault of most of the aftermarket pumps is that they run all the time and make one heck of a racket). I reluctantly installed a Pertronix electronic ignition-actually prefitted to the distributor I mentioned above-primarily because ignition points are a bit hit or miss in quality.

Although mine is driveable(I drove it ~60 miles home right after buying it) it has turned into a bit of a rolling restoration as I tackle small jobs along the way. Probably the biggest was the rear suspension rebuild necessitated by a broken spring, which consisted of two new leaf springs, all new rubber bushings/pads, new rebound straps, and all new hardware. I've put a new(factory style) exhaust on, and most recently rebuilt the steering. I have the clutch hydraulics, a cooling system flush/rebuild, and a four wheel brake job(including hydraulics) to do.

I do virtually all the work myself, and rarely need more than a floor jack, a couple of jackstands, and a basic set of hand tools(sockets and wrenches) to do a repair. About 80% of electrical diagnostics can be done with nothing more than a 12V test light(which you can make yourself if you're really cheap) and the rest just need a basic VOM to get everything done although a true automotive meter helps. I also have a timing light that gets a decent amount of use, but many folks get by fine doing nothing more than static timing(which is done with a 12V test lamp) and road tuning. After rebuilding the steering, I set the front end alignment in my garage with a piece of string, a couple of wrenches, a set of vice grips, and a few trips around the block to test adjustments.
Thank you for the detailed post! If memory serves me correct, the engine blocks were cast iron, which if taken care of, won't destruct or go bad. Like you said yourself. I'm told the electronics system if rather simple and some people retro it out if they don't want to deal with the original specs. Seems a bit overhanded for a classic. I'm still tempted to pick a cheap one up for $20,000 or even less. Unfortunately, I only have garage space for 3 cars. And I wouldn't want to keep this outside because of the environment. I've seen a retro Healy on HRE wheels which looked rather good. It stood out like an eyesore, but in a good way.
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This looks better, but it's basically impossible to get the full-leather dash in the F30/F32. It's been on and off the order guides. One way is BMW Individual, but they still have to approve it and it is $$$.

You can get it on the F80/F82 easily, but, of course, that's a higher end car and it still doesn't solve the issue of cheap plastics.
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Haha, it's super quiet. I find the ambient lighting absurd though.

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Some of us aren't young enough to drive an F82 without bitching about the back pain for a week. The S class lighting leaves a lot to be desired, but it can be toned down. Unfortunately, it's not a car I'm looking for and also because I couldn't pass myself off as a rapper or whatever MBZ was thinking with that. Maybe lighting to see the lines of coke to snort. Who knows. Everyone say's it's dead quiet inside and the videos make it seem true. I wonder how muffled sirens or honked horns are.


Regardless, I'm SOL with the Takata recalls. I can't trade in my GL because the dealers don't accept models affected unless the airbags are repaired. I can already imagine the sudden problems I'm going to run into when my warranty runs out before I can get rid of my car.
 
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This looks better, but it's basically impossible to get the full-leather dash in the F30/F32. It's been on and off the order guides. One way is BMW Individual, but they still have to approve it and it is $$$.

You can get it on the F80/F82 easily, but, of course, that's a higher end car and it still doesn't solve the issue of cheap plastics.
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Haha, it's super quiet. I find the ambient lighting absurd though.

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Shouldn't be anymore. The leather dash option was on/off pre-LCI but now it's readily available as $750 option without BMW Individual IIRC, at least here in Canada but I would assume the States would have a similar order sheet.

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Shouldn't be anymore. The leather dash option was on/off pre-LCI but now it's readily available as $750 option without BMW Individual IIRC, at least here in Canada but I would assume the States would have a similar order sheet.

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Lucky. We don't have it here (currently)

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This question's a bit of a stretch, but assuming I can get my airbags done before new year rolls around, what's the general opinion on the Cayenne S?
 

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Lucky. We don't have it here (currently)

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Well it's not all bad for you. At least you guys down south have, for a 328i:

1. Option of RWD
2. Option of a manual transmission

In Canada, 3er models come only in xDrive and with an automatic except for the 340i which still can be optioned with RWD and manual transmission. It irks me that I have to shell more cash for a 340i when I don't need everything that comes with it when BMW's aren't exactly cheap here in Canada.
 

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Well it's not all bad for you. At least you guys down south have, for a 328i:

1. Option of RWD
2. Option of a manual transmission

In Canada, 3er models come only in xDrive and with an automatic except for the 340i which still can be optioned with RWD and manual transmission. It irks me that I have to shell more cash for a 340i when I don't need everything that comes with it when BMW's aren't exactly cheap here in Canada.
Canada didn't get the 328d/328d xd?
 

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This question's a bit of a stretch, but assuming I can get my airbags done before new year rolls around, what's the general opinion on the Cayenne S?

What's your experience with other SUVs? My uncle has a Cayenne S Hybrid and even though its intentions are to be environmentally friendly, the drive is typical Porsche. Suspension is relatively stiff (even in softest setting) and steering is your typical EPS - a bit better than the F15 X5 but nothing to write home about. Everything else is typical Porsche.

Canada didn't get the 328d/328d xd?

We do but it's only available in xDrive with an automatic transmission, two things I don't want. Well three, don't really care for a diesel power plant. ;)
 

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What's your experience with other SUVs? My uncle has a Cayenne S Hybrid and even though its intentions are to be environmentally friendly, the drive is typical Porsche. Suspension is relatively stiff (even in softest setting) and steering is your typical EPS - a bit better than the F15 X5 but nothing to write home about. Everything else is typical Porsche.



We do but it's only available in xDrive with an automatic transmission, two things I don't want. Well three, don't really care for a diesel power plant. ;)
The GL, some Lexus test drives and that giant turd Nissan made years ago. I also owned a Pilot EX for a few years before trading it in. I've never driven a Cayenne, nor owned a Porsche in general. I can't recall the last time I sat in a Porsche. I was comparing HP, weight class, MPG, and some old discussions pertaining to my generation of GL vs the Cayenne of that time. I know how Porsche is with options, but a starting price of the S vs the new GL is vast. Going over the Cayenne builder, apart from some safety tech and visual options, plus 20" wheels. Honestly I'm probably going to keep either a new 2017 GL or Cayenne S for 2, max 3 years before getting a sedan again. I had this SUV before the kids were born and I'm of the party who feels SUVs are safer for 3 and under. Plus the Gl is nimble IMO for its size. There's enough room in it for two car seats, junk in the middle and extra junk in the third row. Plus it makes Costco runs a breeze.

Nothing says cool like two giant SUVs capable of hitting 60 MPH at around 5.1 seconds. The Merc would set me back of an MSRP at around 127K IIRC with the options I want, presuming I can't haggle 10-15K off MSRP. But the Porsche Cayenne S starts at a much lower price; around $20,000 of a difference. Has 30 fewer horsepower, but it doesn't make a difference in speed. It also sports a V6 that delivers better gas mileage unlike the bi-turbo in the Mercedes. I'm tempted, but also wonder if I can live without the extra space for 2-3 years. The other choice that's more like the GL is the Audi Q7 which @AutoUnion39 recommended, but seeing as I don't like Audi, I'm stuck with making up my mind. I could get the Cayenne, deal with it and find I hate it, and then trade it in for the MBZ, but who the hell has time for that? This is all assuming I can get my airbag issues fixed and be able to trade in. Had I done this a year ago like I originally wanted to, this airbag problem would have been some other person's issue.
 
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This question's a bit of a stretch, but assuming I can get my airbags done before new year rolls around, what's the general opinion on the Cayenne S?

The new V6TT is fantastic, but the rest of the car is typical Porsche. They nickle and dime you for every little thing, but it is a great SUV. Some lowered price alternatives would be the GLE400 or even the X5 50i. Both of those should be the same size as the Porsche.

I'm stuck just like you. Can't really do much with my BMW without the airbag getting replaced.
 

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Thank you for the detailed post! If memory serves me correct, the engine blocks were cast iron, which if taken care of, won't destruct or go bad. Like you said yourself. I'm told the electronics system if rather simple and some people retro it out if they don't want to deal with the original specs. Seems a bit overhanded for a classic. I'm still tempted to pick a cheap one up for $20,000 or even less. Unfortunately, I only have garage space for 3 cars. And I wouldn't want to keep this outside because of the environment. I've seen a retro Healy on HRE wheels which looked rather good. It stood out like an eyesore, but in a good way.

I was afraid I'd rambled a bit too much :) . I love MGs and can get a bit that way on a subject that interests me.

Yes, the block and head are both cast iron so short of freezing(which, of course, won't be a problem for you in CA) there's not a lot that can go wrong with them. Heads do sometimes reveal cracks when people do port and polish work on them, but if you're leaving it stock even original casting flaws will usually not be a problem.

Again, you're at an advantage being in CA, but rust is the biggest enemy of these cars. If you're going to go hunting for one, pick one with a good, straight body and mechanical problems over one that runs perfectly but has serious rust. Mechanical problems are a LOT easier and cheaper to fix than body problems. Of course, ideally you'd find both. Keeping it out of the rain is a good idea-my B only comes out when there's no chance of rain.

The electrical system in these cars gets a bad rap, but honestly its biggest enemy is people who try to "improve" it without understanding what they're doing. The wire is all 18 AWG or larger(compare that to what's on modern cars) and overall is quite robust. Most problems can be solved by a combination of reverting back to factory wiring configurations along with cleaning electrical contacts(which may have corroded over the last 50+ years). Looking at a wiring diagram will often let you track down any other problems with nothing more than a test light.

Aside from that, I did mention the electronic fuel pump, which I consider a worthwhile upgrade. For an SU pump, it's a "hidden" upgrade but has the advantage of things like the fact that the fuel pump will start right up on a car that's been sitting for 6 months without having to whack the pump or clean the points. If you can get a good set of ignition points(that's a big if) the car will run better on them than anything else and they have the big advantage that you can usually limp home on a failing set of points by filing them. You do need to check and usually reset the gap every couple thousand miles to account for wear. If you don't want to bother with points, I recommend the Pertronix ignition system. It's not the best on the market, but is nice in that it's entirely contained within the distributor and is also relatively reliable. It's also one of the most inexpensive system(enough that you could carry a spare module and swap it on the side of the road if you needed). I'm on about a week with my Pertronix, and while I don't think my car runs as well as it does when I have fresh points installed, I DO know that it's going to start every time and keep running until I shut it off :)

I forget what the exact details are on MGAs, but you do have to watch the polarity of the wiring system. I think some As are conventional negative earth, some are positive earth, and some have the engine negative and the rest of the body positive. It's quite common to switch it over to negative earth, which can be done in an afternoon. If you do that, though, please do yourself, any mechanics, and any future owners a favor by installing the readily available "This Vehicle is Negative Earth" stickers near the battery and in the engine compartment.

Some folks go nuts over relaying everything on the car, but that's really not necessary and often introduces more problems than it solves. The original wiring only had relays in the ignition and starter system, which of course are necessary. John Twist-probably the most knowledgeable MG mechanic alive-says that it's worthwhile to relay the headlights(esp. if you're using halogens), the horns, and the electric fans if fitted(factory only on 77 and later Bs). BTW, as far as headlights go, they use a 7" round sealed beam, which is available from pretty much every auto parts store in the country as they were used on a significant number of cars(both foreign and domestic) on into the early 90s when the US government quit requiring sealed beams.
 
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I'm stuck just like you. Can't really do much with my BMW without the airbag getting replaced.

That sucks especially for you guys who are pretty much done with your vehicles and want to move on to something new. In Ontario, our dealers are allowed to proceed with transactions on any vehicles with an outstanding recall - most of the onus is put on the consumer to inquire and the dealer must be transparent.
 

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The new V6TT is fantastic, but the rest of the car is typical Porsche. They nickle and dime you for every little thing, but it is a great SUV. Some lowered price alternatives would be the GLE400 or even the X5 50i. Both of those should be the same size as the Porsche.

I'm stuck just like you. Can't really do much with my BMW without the airbag getting replaced.

If the GLE cubic room is the same as the old GLK, then it's a bit on the small side. The faux coupe has less space, right, discounting the difference in back end height. The X5 is interesting, but there's the X7 around the corner. Anyway, I had time this morning and did a build of what I wanted for the Cayenne S. Nothing too visually fancy. Optioned out without the choice of superfluous stuff, it came out to be a little over 127,000... There was the nearly 3,000 option of painted air vents.... Really? I could always get the AMG version of the GLE or the plugin 550 version. Or just go with the new GLS. 2 years wouldn't too much depreciation. If I can haggle down to 110K, maybe take a 35K hit over 2-3 years, I should be above water and get my money's worth in that time.

What kind of BMW?

That sucks especially for you guys who are pretty much done with your vehicles and want to move on to something new. In Ontario, our dealers are allowed to proceed with transactions on any vehicles with an outstanding recall - most of the onus is put on the consumer to inquire and the dealer must be transparent.

I have a habit of keeping cars for only a few years before trading up. My wife suggested I simply lease the GL back when I was thinking about it. I'd had a large SUV for a while at that time. In hindsight, it made sense in case I didn't like it. I fell in love with the car and got a great deal on it. Drove it for six months before deciding I really loved it. I paid the car off the next year. We'd talked about getting a newer version for so long because the kids were going to be due and the extended warranty I purchased would also end. I got very lazy and once the Takata recalls hit, I thought I was fine. The new extension has left a bitter taste in my mouth. Hopefully nothing goes wrong if I can't get the jobs done before the warranty expires.

Ironically, the Lexus is the only car I've kept so long since I bought it. It's a great car and I could probably keep it and drive it until it dies. I did buy a "fancy" or at the time it was fancy, Toyota Cressida before they stopped producing them back in 1992. College education was very cheap then compared to the late 90s and even now. That car was REMARKABLE for its time. I think I bought it for around 25-26K, but it came with leather (or some type of faux material), CD player, incredible sound system for the time, power seatbelts, etc. The works. It had an incredibly smooth transmission and 6 cyl engine. I kept it for a few years before selling it off. Like many late 80s to early 90s cars, the design looked dated within years.
 

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If the GLE cubic room is the same as the old GLK, then it's a bit on the small side. The faux coupe has less space, right, discounting the difference in back end height. The X5 is interesting, but there's the X7 around the corner. Anyway, I had time this morning and did a build of what I wanted for the Cayenne S. Nothing too visually fancy. Optioned out without the choice of superfluous stuff, it came out to be a little over 127,000... There was the nearly 3,000 option of painted air vents.... Really?

GLE is just the updated ML, like the GLS = GL. You're thinking of the smaller GLK (which is now the GLC.) I think the GLE is about the same size as the X5 and Cayenne anyways.

I personally would hold off on the Cayenne because the MY17 is getting an updated infotainment system and for MY18, it will be completely redesigned. Not worth buying an older one and taking the depreciation hit

What kind of BMW?

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Well at this rate of progress I reckon I could take up knitting and make a giant quilt that included the F word and Takata. Then do a cross-country trip with said quilt strapped to the roof. My idea of being passive aggressive. I'm going to have to try out the GLS diesel that's coming out. I haven't minded the fuel cost the last several years and manage to get 24 mpg on highway at times. It's about 3 seconds slower to sixty. Assuming I don't find it slow, it might do the job and cost me less in the long run since I plan to ditch the car as soon as I can. It starts at under $67,000; it the 350d and the 450, have about the most hideous wheel options available. I could do a limited option of the 550 and shave off thousands, which means the financing on the balance won't be as high.

I just did a build of what I'd want: ginger/espresso - saddle/black leather, driver safety, prepaid maintenance, no heated rear seats, no rear entertainment, etc. It's around 105,000. Prior to the car seats and groceries spilling over from the third row and the left over space at the tailgate, I've probably had humans in the back a few times since I've had it. That sounded less morbid in my head....
 

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Is selling private/lease takeover not an option? I'm not sure of your situation but it may be a while before Mercedes-Benz USA even gets the parts so how long should you expect/want to wait?
 

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Well at this rate of progress I reckon I could take up knitting and make a giant quilt that included the F word and Takata.
Definitely. Last I heard, BMW owners are looking at ~12 months before replacement parts come in. And warmer climates will get priority, so I'm at the back of the line. Ugh

This Takata debacle seems to be getting worse everyday. Millions more recalled just a few days ago. When will they end up getting replacement parts out to everyone?
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Is selling private/lease takeover not an option?

You could sell private, but all it takes is a quick google search to see which cars are affected. You'll probably get low-balled.

BMW dealers can't sell recalled cars, but, at least, BMW Corporate is paying them for the floor space/depreciation of these cars. Owners aren't getting paid a cent.

Over on BF, there were talks about BMW offering early lease returns and trade allowances, but I don't want another BMW.
 

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Private is an option, but no one will want to deal with airbag issues and I suspect it'd attract tire kickers who'll want it for 10 grand or something. This issue is a double whammy for certain platform owners like BMW's F10, which is seeing serious depreciation as it's old at this point. Those who are leasing, financing or finished financing are stuck. The cars themselves see a faster value drop, but add in the recall and it's a floozy. At best on the open market, I can try to get 31K for it as it's got low miles and great shape, no issues. Trader in at the dealer will be much higher, at least here on the west coast. They love pristine pre-owned cars.

Good luck waiting 12 months, AU. Don't die on us.
 

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Definitely. Last I heard, BMW owners are looking at ~12 months before replacement parts come in. And warmer climates will get priority, so I'm at the back of the line. Ugh

This Takata debacle seems to be getting worse everyday. Millions more recalled just a few days ago. When will they end up getting replacement parts out to everyone?
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You could sell private, but all it takes is a quick google search to see which cars are affected. You'll probably get low-balled.

BMW dealers can't sell recalled cars, but, at least, BMW Corporate is paying them for the floor space/depreciation of these cars. Owners aren't getting paid a cent.

Over on BF, there were talks about BMW offering early lease returns and trade allowances, but I don't want another BMW.

Yeah. I got my letter from BMW Canada saying car is affected, no parts available yet. Will send another letter when parts are available. I wouldn't doubt it if it did take another 12 months given the scale of the recall and affected vehicles.

As for resale, a lot of people have been selling their E9X easily on Bimmerpost - the airbag issues doesn't seem to be that much of a problem. I mean sure it's a recall but when pretty much every car is affected and you need a car, you can't really haggle when the total supply of cars is tainted.
 

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Which E9x? I doubt people are picking up older variants such as ones powered by the N54. Besides, I have a feeling this recall will be further expanded as time passes by.
 
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