The Car Thread ... !

[2298754]

Looks like some VIP customer got bored of their 911R already and is flipping it

Asking price is $650,000 right now

http://www.porschewestbroward.com/detail-2016-porsche-911-2dr_coupe_911_r-used-15394057.html

 

[PowerMac G4 MDD]

#NeimanMarcusBlingBling!

xD You can say that again. I found out that Poltrona Frau (the company that the leather comes from) is some posh Italian furniture company. It's kind of funny and interesting that Maserati sourced them out for their own automobile interiors. In the old days, the bench seating found in big American cars was comparable to sofas... meanwhile, this newer Maserati actually has seats from a furniture company. Quite the concept.
[doublepost=1472587125][/doublepost]This car is an exception because it costs so much... but, otherwise, it's amazing how much cheaper a depreciated car is. I've come to realize that it's almost pointless to - say - blow $100,000 on a new Mercedes convertible when you can buy someone's pre-owned model (that's 1-3 years old) for about half that - and in immaculate condition, in many cases. Maseratis, BMWs, Mercedes, etc. don't really keep their value well. You take a new Maserati off the lot and its value just dips. Within a few years, it's worth half of what one paid for it. Our own Maserati, bought 'new' in 2006, is now essentially worth ~20,000. In the past 10 years, it has lost about $100k of its original value.

 

[bunnspecial]

I never liked the Toyota leather from the mid 90's through the mid 2000's. Felt like hard, shiny plastic.

Ahh, you bring me back to my mom's old Volvo 240 Wagon. I remember the leathery smell. Nice, tough, shiny leather product. You cannot deny Volvo makes some of the most comfortable seats in the world.

The #1 thing I remember of that car I remember are the headrests. I and some of my friends who had Volvo's in the family as small children remember the headrests as looking highly appetizing in terms of a chew toy.
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My sister's first car was an old blue Volvo. She got it in about '95, and I think it was probably 5 years or more old then. I may be pulling the number out of my rear end, but I want to say it was a 240. In any case, it was a behemoth of a car and my little 7 year old self had sometimes couldn't get the doors latched all the way-it was the first time I remember anyone encouraging me to slam a door-on a car or otherwise.

Those headrests were definitely something to remember, though. I'd never seen anything like them, and of course was too short at the time to even rest my head against them.

She was driving in the school parking lot one day, and inadvertently backed the car into a ditch. It was at such an angle that the front wheels were completely off the ground, and of course there was no driving it out. One of her friends had a big truck, and after school that day they hooked a tow chain up to it and pulled it out. She drove off in it-I think aside from a broken tail light lens and some battle scars on the rear bumper, it was completely fine.

 

[0388631]

Older Volvos were built really well. You could slam a door very hard and nothing would be amiss. Try that on another car and you'd be asking for trouble. Volvo doors, trunks, hoods and even the gas panel had a lovely thud that emitted when you put enough force into your closing.

In the old days, the bench seating found in big American cars was comparable to sofas... meanwhile, this newer Maserati actually has seats from a furniture company. Quite the concept.

Not really. In the old days, chair and sofa manufacturers were pulled in to help build something that would last a lot of accumulated hours and be comfortable to the person.

Maseratis, BMWs, Mercedes, etc. don't really keep their value well. You take a new Maserati off the lot and its value just dips. Within a few years, it's worth half of what one paid for it. Our own Maserati, bought 'new' in 2006, is now essentially worth ~20,000. In the past 10 years, it has lost about $100k of its original value.

Except in most cases, your typical Maserati wouldn't be driven enough to make that value plummet even more. It would spend a serious amount of time in the shop. You can get a serious, beefy AMG car that old now for around the same money. Chances are the owner(s) neglected the car. I think most first time buyers who have a MBZ past don't realize how different an AMG car is. The same with M vs. regular BMWs. Even if you did the work yourself, you're still going to pay a lot for quality replacement parts.

Looks like some VIP customer got bored of their 911R already and is flipping it

Asking price is $650,000 right now

http://www.porschewestbroward.com/detail-2016-porsche-911-2dr_coupe_911_r-used-15394057.html

Not bored. Looked at the mileage. It was bought as an investment, nothing more nothing less. Watched the video and closed it soon. Dutch accents...

 

[Alphazoid]

Looks like some VIP customer got bored of their 911R already and is flipping it

Asking price is $650,000 right now

http://www.porschewestbroward.com/detail-2016-porsche-911-2dr_coupe_911_r-used-15394057.html

650k though...why?

Why not just order a new one from Porsche for less money

 

[2298754]

650k though...why?

Why not just order a new one from Porsche for less money

Not the 911R you're not.

918 and VIP Porsche owners got first dibs on all 911 of them. These cars were sold out within hours of being announced.

 

[iLog.Genius]

650k though...why?

Why not just order a new one from Porsche for less money

Limited edition Porsche. When you first heard about it, it was already sold out. That's why $650k

 

[Alphazoid]

I see

Not the 911R you're not.

918 and VIP Porsche owners got first dibs on all 911 of them. These cars were sold out within hours of being announced.

 

[0388631]

I actually quite like it. It took time for the seats to grow on me. But I do like it. Though I suppose they could have gone the extra mile by having a few more throwbacks onto it. I sincerely doubt I'll ever see one up close. These will likely be locked away. Though I can see our famous LA Homeless Rich Guy AKA Magnus Walker buying this sight unseen.

 

[D.T.]

I'd actually prefer the Turbo S from the same source (listed in the "related" cars below the ad). I get the more "pure" 911R experience, but I'd rather have the ultra-GT for everyday, real word use

 

[2298754]

I'd actually prefer the Turbo S from the same source (listed in the "related" cars below the ad). I get the more "pure" 911R experience, but I'd rather have the ultra-GT for everyday, real word use

That's beautiful too!

I think the sweetspot for the 911 lineup is the GTS. Around $150k or so. You can pick AWD and/or manual depending on your preferences

Like this

 

[0388631]

Is the '16 GTS model sold out? I can't find it on Porsche's site anymore. The GTS models all come with PSE, which to many purists (I'm not one) sounds awful. IPE seems to be popular for GT3 owners but from my readings, IPE quality varies widely, so much so that some units become warped after a couple months use.

 

[D.T.]

That's beautiful too!

I think the sweetspot for the 911 lineup is the GTS. Around $150k or so. You can pick AWD and/or manual depending on your preferences

Like this

Well, jeebus, the Turbo is only $160K.

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Took a little drive today, just over to my dentist (great checkup, cleaning ) , sounded good with the top up (the weather is a little sketchy in Florida right now), around town, I can set the CC, and the exhaust just about disappears.

It is _loud_ if you want it be, the rear/tips look great, they're huge 4.5", and since there's no "cans", it's super clean from the back.

 

[2298754]

Is the '16 GTS model sold out? I can't find it on Porsche's site anymore.

We should be seeing a 991.2 GTS soon... with the new turbo motors from the Carrera/Carrera S.

We're missing a lot of the 911 variants.

C2, C2S, C4, C4S + cabriolets [8]
GTS, GTS 4 + cabriolets [4]
Targa 4, Targa 4S [2]
GT3, GT3RS, 911R [3]
Turbo, Turbo S + cabriolets [4]
upcoming GT2 [1]

22 models and I'm ignoring the ones that come in PDK + 7MT


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Well, jeebus, the Turbo is only $160K.

Rule 1 in Porsche land: base price means nothing

I think the Turbo S already includes all the important options like PCCB, etc, so once you option up a Turbo, the T-S makes more sense

 

[D.T.]

Rule 1 in Porsche land: base price means nothing

Totally true, though I wouldn't consider PCCB "important", or even slightly necessary in any street application (other than, check out my yellow calipers, yes, they're PCCBs, no, they don't dust very much )

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I was in a topic about mileage, FWIW, I'm right around 5500 miles at ~10 months

 

[2298754]

Totally true, though I wouldn't consider PCCB "important", or even slightly necessary in any street application (other than, check out my yellow calipers, yes, they're PCCBs, no, they don't dust very much )

http://jalopnik.com/2014-porsche-911-turbo-s-the-jalopnik-review-1575123502

Now, the 911 Turbo S is more a performance pack for the Turbo. The $31,000 price difference between the 911 Turbo and Turbo S gets you every performance option available on the Turbo (center lock wheels, carbon brakes, sport chrono, PDCC, and more) plus an extra 40 horsepower. It's actually, and this is rare in Porsche land, a deal.

Weirdly, I would consider the GTS trim as their "value" trim. It comes with all the performance options from the higher spec models, but without the absurdly fast engine.

 

[D.T.]

http://jalopnik.com/2014-porsche-911-turbo-s-the-jalopnik-review-1575123502

I've talked to literally dozens of folks involved in motorsports, instructors, HPDE people, Porsche owners, tech guys at Brumos, Rennlist, Planet-9, and I've driven cars with/without, and it's more about slightly better longevity, less dust, less fade in the most +extreme+ conditions (talking dozens of laps at 9/10 - 10/10ths, nothing that 99.9% of owners will ever experience) - not any scenario where I'd consider them "important", just a nice, minor upgrade if money isn't an option.

 

[2298754]

I've talked to literally dozens of folks involved in motorsports, instructors, HPDE people, Porsche owners, tech guys at Brumos, Rennlist, Planet-9, and I've driven cars with/without, and it's more about slightly better longevity, less dust, less fade in the most +extreme+ conditions (talking dozens of laps at 9/10 - 10/10ths, nothing that 99.9% of owners will ever experience) - not any scenario where I'd consider them "important", just a nice, minor upgrade if money isn't an option.

Yeah, I agree with this. I've talked to a few GT3 owners who said they didn't bother because of the replacement costs. The stock brakes are 95% as good as the PCCBs.

edit: are you ever going to post pictures of the upgrades?

 

[D.T.]

Yeah, I agree with this. I've talked to a few GT3 owners who said they didn't bother because of the replacement costs. The stock brakes are 95% as good as the PCCBs.

edit: are you ever going to post pictures of the upgrades?

Oh yeah, don't me wrong, if revenue permitted, I'd check that box faster than I could select red AC vents and matching seat belts

Sure, a couple of quick pics in between inclement weather:

 

[JamesMike]

Oh yeah, don't me wrong, if revenue permitted, I'd check that box faster than I could select red AC vents and matching seat belts

Sure, a couple of quick pics in between inclement weather:

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A good looking ride, enjoy!

 

[iLog.Genius]

I just want to see Porsche come out with a 991 GT2. I don't know if it would even be possible to significantly improve over the Turbo but I will leave it that to Porsche's engineering brain trust.

 

[0388631]

I had the idea your Mustang was an older generation, much older. Did you have it lowered a half inch?

Weirdly, I would consider the GTS trim as their "value" trim. It comes with all the performance options from the higher spec models, but without the absurdly fast engine.

At the price they ask for, no. You get some more features, more power, and whatnot you'd have to option out with a base 911C. I've heard a 911 GTS on the street before. Videos don't do them justice. They're loud, very loud especially with the crackle pop from the PSE that's standard. Though there's a method of disabling it while keeping sporty settings turned on. The GTS is a small leap from the normal 911s to the GT3, where one wants some more creature comforts than the GT3 provides say over the GT3 RS. Personally, I like the Turbo, but much prefer the smooth undisturbed lines of the 911 C4. 4WD because... well let's face it, the wider behind is quite sexy.



Anyway, I had to go somewhere earlier and I believe I saw what looked like a S8 in Sepang Blue Metallic (according to Audi's site) but the S8 doesn't come in that color, the S6 does. It was a large four door sedan, but the front looked like an S8. It looked like an awkward behemoth on the road. I'd have trailed along but I flew by at around 80 MPH.
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I just want to see Porsche come out with a 991 GT2. I don't know if it would even be possible to significantly improve over the Turbo but I will leave it that to Porsche's engineering brain trust.

I've read it's on the books. Rumor, if you will. We might not see a GT2 until the next generation. We've still got a few years though.

 

[iLog.Genius]

I've read it's on the books. Rumor, if you will. We might not see a GT2 until the next generation. We've still got a few years though.

There's been a lot of rumours regarding a 991 GT2 but all have been shot down by Porsche claiming anything from the problem of gaining traction and not being usable unless under the perfect conditions to flat out not needing one because of what they had planned for the 991 Turbo.

 

[0388631]

There's been a lot of rumours regarding a 991 GT2 but all have been shot down by Porsche claiming anything from the problem of gaining traction and not being usable unless under the perfect conditions to flat out not needing one because of what they had planned for the 991 Turbo.

Sounds like bull **** to me. Porsche shot down rumors of the GTS and turbo'ing non-turbo cars too. Even the vocal people at Rennlist said there was no way. My theory is that if it is made, it'll be around 650 HP or slightly more. It'll also cost somewhere around 200K starting. Maybe more. Porsche can pump a silly amount of cars out, even straying from the classic 911, and they'd still sell well and get more expensive.

 

[D.T.]

I had the idea your Mustang was an older generation, much older. Did you have it lowered a half inch?

Nope, it's a '16, took delivery last October, delivered to my door on Halloween (transported from MD to FL)

Currently sitting at ~5400 miles in 10 months

Swapped the OEM springs with a set of linear from BMR, rates specifically designed to work with the Performance Package (PP) suspension, they drop the car ~1.2" front and ~1.0 in the rear. Also added Motorsport Tech spacers, 25mm front, and 23mm rear to give it a wider stance (on the factory PP wheels).