The Car Thread ... !

[2298754]

Throw a tantrum? I haven't.

Um... here you go

My argument was that heat and UV exposure caused them to melt, and that the specific plastics that are touched become agitated further and fair even worse (both in feeling and appearance).

The counterargument given to me was that finger oils are the solitary cause of the plastics' coated surfaces melting. How would that make sense when about half the sticky plastics in the car aren't even buttons? They are NEVER touched.

And, honestly, I would hate to have bad relations with anyone here; but it looks like there are already two people here who have flipped out on me for no reason.

Here's hoping that nobody else decides to suffer a sudden mood swing and unleash their keyboard-warrior skills at me.

Also, you don't own our car. How would I know if you've even been in it? Have you dealt with Maserati plastics on a personal level? I already told you that even the plastic parts that aren't touched (panels that are out of reach) are sticky, and that even my subwoofer's rubber feet (which aren't touched) had the same effect. I highly doubt that the stickiness is solely created by contact with fingers. Touching the melted plastic certainly makes it worse and can exacerbate the rough condition of the buttons/panels, but I'm fairly certain that it isn't the cause of the stickiness. If you were more familiar with the car, you might understand. Not every component of the car is touched. It's not just the buttons that are sticky. Now, please do not cuss at me. This forum has generally been civil and I have been civil to everyone on it. I didn't come here to be scolded by someone who's fine and dandy at one moment and then randomly flips moods on me and becomes aggressive towards my statements.

Lastly, age has nothing to do with this. It seems as though you are playing the age card in order to talk to me in a scornful manner. It doesn't matter that I'm a young adult and that you're an older adult. Age is not of concern here.

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Also, I find it ironic that you would refer to our car as junk, when your avatar says Chrysler on it.

Again, not your car. It's nice of your father to let you drive his Maserati.
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Just watched this video. Seems pretty interesting. I'd personally go with the Golf R, but the Focus RS is really nice.

 

[PowerMac G4 MDD]

Um... here you go






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Again, not your car. It's nice of your father to let you drive his Maserati.
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Just watched this video. Seems pretty interesting. I'd personally go with the Golf R, but the Focus RS is really nice.

Again, the first thing you ever said to me was basically an insult. Also, it's a family car - it's all of ours. I have put my fair share of work into this thing; I was on my knees all week, detailing its interior, in spite of the fact that I had undergone a surgery only days prior. The name on the pink slip has nothing to do with this. You're just trying to find a way to discredit what I've said about the car. And, of course, you're taking your bad experience with Maserati and are taking it out on me. News flash: your car was a lemon; ours is not.

 

[2298754]

I have put my fair share of work into this thing; I was on my knees all week, detailing its interior, in spite of the fact that I had undergone a surgery only days prior.

So using your logic... I could work at the local Taco Bell for a week and then tell everyone I own the place?!

Cool!

 

[0388631]

Oh for christ's sake. Stop turning this into an "everyone vs. me" argument. I see enough Spanish soap opera BS on other car forums. Just admit you're wrong and move on. And just a heads up, Autounion changed his avatar to Chrysler to mock someone else in this thread, before that it was Maserati to mock you.

@AutoUnion39 Honestly, I'm inclined to pick the R and not even consider the RS because of its current issues and because the R is rather nice inside and out for its price point and the brand it's coming from. It's also rather well made and fitted compared to other VW models. A fantastic weekend driver, IMO. If the rumors for the MK8 with minimal price increase are true, it's going to be quite the car.

I'm more interested in the new A5/S5 sportback replacing the current car. Looks rather good. Like a mini A7.

 

[A.Goldberg]

No... I didn't. The part about 'soft' suspension was an entirely different thought

Sorry if I connected the same thoughts (though I believe they were in the same paragraph and not clearly separated and the bit about the dipping up/down I thought implies a soft suspension *takes gasp of air*) which has now spiraled into a yelling match. Now I'm sure both of you will claim you're not yelling but it reads that way. Exclamation points, insults, insinuated insults, etc.

Mr. PM G4 clearly has quite an affection for his (fathers) car. Enthusiasts love of vehicles isn't necessarily because "it's the best car in every way*" but rather an emotional appeal.

Mr. @AutoUnion39 interest in cars is more on the overall package (that's what she said?) including facts and figures.

Now Mr. PM. G4 must understand that some members of this specific forum come with extensive experience and knowledge regarding vehicles. I've driven aplenty of normal to mainstream luxury vehicles and a couple more exotic things. Exotic Sports cars are not my area of expertise, I'm not the person to ask about Ferrari vs. Lambo vs. McLaren. So people have different standards of what is exceptional and varying degrees of background knowledge.

It's like if you came into a medical thread about squamous cell carcinoma and said eating 6lbs of waffles a day was the best treatment because you're a waffle cook and one of your customers who ate a lot of waffles went into remission magically. Most doctors would say surgery is the standard treatment and/or radiation.

Mr. AutoUnion must realize his lust for a working Maserati. His frustration stems from a the money pit and nightmare that was his QP. He's been trying to get me to get one so he can vicariously drive it.

*I think we can all agree that at the end of the day, the Daewoo Lanos is, was, and will always be the finest motor vehicle ever created by mankind. Both in emotional taste and in specifications. Some say the car was crafted by God himself.

 

[0388631]

You know AU in person. Has he ever jumped on and punched an individual for not agreeing with him in regard to cars, swung a two-by-four at the victim's head, etcetra? I'm taking this out of a film I saw a few years ago. I don't connect soft suspension with bouncing/dipping hoods. I do connect it with poor choices by the manufacturer. It's reminiscent of older cars. Better suspension technology, air ride or other derivative technology, and other technologies solved this problem in the mid 1990s.

Ah, yes, here we go.

 

[PowerMac G4 MDD]

Oh for christ's sake. Stop turning this into an "everyone vs. me" argument. I see enough Spanish soap opera BS on other car forums. Just admit you're wrong and move on. And just a heads up, Autounion changed his avatar to Chrysler to mock someone else in this thread, before that it was Maserati to mock you.

@AutoUnion39 Honestly, I'm inclined to pick the R and not even consider the RS because of its current issues and because the R is rather nice inside and out for its price point and the brand it's coming from. It's also rather well made and fitted compared to other VW models. A fantastic weekend driver, IMO. If the rumors for the MK8 with minimal price increase are true, it's going to be quite the car.

I'm more interested in the new A5/S5 sportback replacing the current car. Looks rather good. Like a mini A7.

Wrong about what? I never said that the Range Rover has soft suspension. You didn't read my post.
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So using your logic... I could work at the local Taco Bell for a week and then tell everyone I own the place?!

Cool!

You might own a stake of the place if it's family-run.

 

[A.Goldberg]

You know AU in person. Has he ever jumped on and punched an individual for not agreeing with him in regard to cars, swung a two-by-four at the victim's head, etcetra?

AutoUnion is part of a gang that runs car parts. He, his gf, his sister, and his ex-cop friend hijack trucks. He has a violent history, he once beat someone up with a tire iron. He also consistently gets into fights with Dwayne Johnson and Jason Stratham. Oh wait that's Dom Toretto from Fast and Furious.

You might own a stake of the place if it's family-run.

Here's a conundrum, AU's favorite Italian 'fine dining' establishment The Olive Garden slogan is "when you're here you're family".

 

[0388631]

I don't believe I've seen that film.

 

[A.Goldberg]

I don't believe I've seen that film.

Fast and Furious? Really? There's like 7, soon to be 8 of them. I don't watch tv often but it's always on. I think FnF Tokyo Drift is on Netflix (Tokyo drift is a bit of an oddball in the series). They're so bad they're good, thus their on Fast and Furious 8 already. I'm just bummed it's not called Fast and Furious V8.

Remember when Paul Walker died and the world cried. That movie series is basically why he's fameous.

 

[iLog.Genius]

Fast and Furious? Really? There's like 7, soon to be 8 of them. I don't watch tv often but it's always on. I think FnF Tokyo Drift is on Netflix (Tokyo drift is a bit of an oddball in the series). They're so bad they're good, thus their on Fast and Furious 8 already. I'm just bummed it's not called Fast and Furious V8.

I know they've strayed away from the original concept but I still find it entertaining just to see the cars...fake shifting an automatic and all.

 

[0388631]

Fast and Furious? Really? There's like 7, soon to be 8 of them. I don't watch tv often but it's always on. I think FnF Tokyo Drift is on Netflix (Tokyo drift is a bit of an oddball in the series). They're so bad they're good, thus their on Fast and Furious 8 already. I'm just bummed it's not called Fast and Furious V8.

Remember when Paul Walker died and the world cried. That movie series is basically why he's fameous.

I think I've seen a few scenes of the first film. Car films don't interest me. I enjoy war, drama, the odd comedy here and there, and of course, action. I know who Paul Walker is. I saw Brokedown Palace if that counts.

 

[0388631]

I wonder how many units they'll manage to sell. It looks awful.

http://www.lincoln.com/cars/continental/

 

[2298754]

I wonder how many units they'll manage to sell. It looks awful.

http://www.lincoln.com/cars/continental/

Nice Ford Taurus. I'd rather get an Avalon or Genesis sedan.

 

[0388631]

Nice Ford Taurus. I'd rather get an Avalon or Genesis sedan.

It isn't just the use of the cheap frame. It's what the car is trying to do: too many things at once. You know, the 2017 Genesis are about to go on sale, you could pick one up on lease if you don't want to commit to it. Or rather, attempt to get a weekend driveaway from a dealer and report back how it compares to the Germans' offerings. I'm not joking; I'm genuinely interested in how good these new fancy Hyundai's are.

RE the fancy Taurus, I was a little amused the speakers in front looked very similar to what MBZ and BMW are doing in terms of design. I don't recall seeing anything like it in concept shots from a while back. Quite frankly, I wasn't aware Lincoln was making cars aside from the Navigator.

 

[bunnspecial]

First of all, as the forums self-proclaimed Lincoln ambassador, I have to comment

I'm honestly not feeling the new car. Although they consider it their flagship sedan, conceptually it's a continuation of the 1990s Continental. The 90s Continental was a prettied-up Taurus, and when the MKS was introduced it continued the tradition. I'm really not seeing a huge difference between the new Continental and the '15 MKS my dad just bought other than my dad paying half the price

The front end as interesting. The "Waterfall" grille has been a Lincoln trademark for years, and seeing it go away at the expense of mesh bothers me. The grille debuted on the '16 MKZ-I haven't been terribly impressed with it in person, although I've yet to see a Continental.

There was a time when the Continental name actually MEANT something, and I wish that FoMoCo would actually spend some time making a special car at least for Lincoln in general if not for the Continental name specifically. Heck, look at the '60s Continentals-they're still iconic. Right up to the Mark VIII(which dispensed with the Continental name) they retained the design cues of the "Continental Hump"-again something that has been gone since the Mark VIII went away.

The last truly unique, special car Lincoln had was the LS. For the folks who got a good one(I've head varying quality reports), they honestly hit it out of the park with the car-there's a good reason why even though I'm considering buying a newer car, getting rid of my LS isn't even on the table. Unfortunately, it too languished and was "replaced" by the Zephyr/MKZ which really isn't a replacement at all.

And, again, as self appointed brand ambassador, I will qualify my comments by saying that I have spent significant wheel time behind every sedan made under the Lincoln marque in the past 20 years with the exception of the MKS. My dad is keeping the MKS pretty tight to himself for the time being

 

[A.Goldberg]

@AutoUnion39 I'm tempted to share my creationof the Ford Stega-Taurus-Sarus. It's only in the concept phase, but imagine if you took a late 90's Taurus and made it look like a stegosaurus.

I wouldn't want to traumatize the Car Thread viewers with the contents of my imagination. It's like Willy Wonka meets Dr. Suess up there.

Edit: Looks like Ben has already leapt in to defend Lincoln

 

[0388631]

From what I gather, your dream car is a dinosaur inspired Pimp My Ride episode floating in your head?

 

[A.Goldberg]

From what I gather, your dream car is a dinosaur inspired Pimp My Ride episode floating in your head?

More like Jurassic Park inspired. To go along with my dream fleet of a Jurrasic Park Jeep Wrangler and Ford Explorer. I'll skip the ML320 era phase. I'll get around to posting the picture.

 

[0388631]

More like Jurassic Park inspired. To go along with my dream fleet of a Jurrasic Park Jeep Wrangler and Ford Explorer. I'll skip the ML320 era phase. I'll get around to posting the picture.

You came up with a concept sketch? I vaguely remember the vehicles from Jurassic Park. I haven't seen that movie in 11 or 12 years. It was still great for how old it was.

 

[A.Goldberg]

You came up with a concept sketch? I vaguely remember the vehicles from Jurassic Park. I haven't seen that movie in 11 or 12 years. It was still great for how old it was.

More like a poorly done iPhone photoshop-eque (dare I say Microsoft Paint-like) rendering.

Since you're so curious...

I present the Ford Stega-Taurus-Saurus



As a reference, a stegosaurus:

My apologies to whoever I stole the original image from on google. I needed the curvy older generation style in Green. But now I'm curious about the potential a Taurus Wagon would hold here.

 

[0388631]

There's going to be that one vocal person who'll complain to local authorities that you've got a penis on your hood. I could very well see a Taurus wagon in the future if there's public demand for it, possibly sporting a base engine and optional higher end engine, such as the SHO offering with AWD.

Give it sleek lines like the European counterparts and it'll likely revive the want for a station wagon. What really kills American cars is their awful interiors, so-so exterior styling depending on the car and the price they try to sell them for. High priced station wagons that punch above their weight are incredible but don't ooze that "I'm expensive, fawn over me" quality. You'll hardly get many turned heads in an RS6 avant, according to a foolish Guardian article I read earlier today. It looks like a normal car apart from its large wheels, aggressive fascia and the roar of the exhaust. But would it or the S6 Avant sell well in the US? Probably not.

People are too into their crossovers. Now if you want some bling, get a custom made Murano station wagon convertible. All three or four rows would be open to the elements. You'd be the coolest dad around lugging around 8 Goldberglings.

 

[A.Goldberg]

There's going to be that one vocal person who'll complain to local authorities that you've got a penis on your hood. I could very well see a Taurus wagon in the future if there's public demand for it, possibly sporting a base engine and optional higher end engine, such as the SHO offering with AWD.

Give it sleek lines like the European counterparts and it'll likely revive the want for a station wagon. What really kills American cars is their awful interiors, so-so exterior styling depending on the car and the price they try to sell them for. High priced station wagons that punch above their weight are incredible but don't ooze that "I'm expensive, fawn over me" quality. You'll hardly get many turned heads in an RS6 avant, according to a foolish Guardian article I read earlier today. It looks like a normal car apart from its large wheels, aggressive fascia and the roar of the exhaust. But would it or the S6 Avant sell well in the US? Probably not.

People are too into their crossovers. Now if you want some bling, get a custom made Murano station wagon convertible. All three or four rows would be open to the elements. You'd be the coolest dad around lugging around 8 Goldberglings.

No comments on my incredible artistic skills above. I'm offended!

I guess Ford's most recent "wagons" would be the Ford Flex and previously the Taurus X/Freestyle. I'm not quite sure exactly where those guys fit, especially the Flex. I think a 3 ringed vendiagram with a wagon, SUV, and minivan would be adequate. Those vehicles are based off the Volvo P2 platform (D3, D4) which were derived from the S80/XC70/V70 and many other vehicles under Fords umbrella. I'm guessing the Flex fills the Taraus Wagon despite its polarizing looks. I actually see a surprising number of them considering how Fugly they are. I actually read the reviews on the Flex and styling aside they're actually highly praised.

VW recently introduced their Jetta Wagon which looks pretty good IMO. Nothing like an off-road inspired station wagon. Generally they look far better than their standard counterparts. http://blog.caranddriver.com/2017-v...ion-offers-awd-without-crossover-pretensions/

My mother has owned a number of wagons. She doesn't particularly like the girth of most SUVs nor the attention they bring. Same generally for most luxury brands... Something about her mother getting mugged in NYC in a Mercedes.

Up until recently (for the most part) you can't get too much more mundane than a Volvo. She had a 2015.0 XC70 which turned out to be a bust, huge electrical issues. So after it got bought back under the lemon law she went with the Allroad which is alright. She complains about the tight size and harsher ride compared to the XC70 and her A6 Allroad from back in the early thousands. The old A6 Allroad was a much cooler car than the new A4. Bring back the A6 size, low range transfer case, air suspension, V8 option, and then we can talk about having an A4 Allroad.

I wouldn't be surprised if the wagon trend comes back. Everything goes in cycles. When I regularly see soccer dads cruising around in their E63 AMG wagons, that must be saying something. I suppose for the Subaru drivers, the wagon has never left.

I plan on having 1-2 Goldberglings thank you, if at all. I think the only true wagons with 3rd rows are the lower end E350's. The E63 doesn't have it, Volvo doesn't have it, Subaru to my knowledge doesn't have it.

 

[0388631]

Saying what exactly? The third row in the E isn't really a third row. It's an attempt at a third row that encroaches the luggage area. The old Volvo 240 Wagons were quite nice back in the day. Lots of rear seating area and you could drop the back row bench if you wanted to... for reasons. Later, when the 700 series arrived, it offered more room at the cost of increased weight. Unlike the 240s, they too were built like a tank but also felt like driving one.

 

[2298754]

The old A6 Allroad was a much cooler car than the new A4. Bring back the A6 size, low range transfer case, air suspension, V8 option, and then we can talk about having an A4 Allroad.

Mercedes says hello. I think it looks decent!

http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthre...nd-intelligence-in-a-striking-new-outfit-quot

"No E-Class has ever been as versatile as the All-Terrain. The new model combines a striking look in SUV style with the intelligent space concept of the estate. This is coupled with lots of innovative safety features and the multi-award-winning E-Class interior," said Ola Källenius, Member of the Daimler management board responsible for Sales and Marketing of Mercedes Benz Cars. "With 4MATIC all-wheel drive as a standard feature and increased ground clearance thanks to the AIR BODY CONTROL multi-chamber air suspension, the All-Terrain is a flexible all-rounder - for unpaved roads, family and leisure time."