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Any love for the old Ford Country Squire gates that had two handles and could either open sideways or down?

BTW, the Wagon Queen Family Truckster(which was a Country Squire made "over the top") had that feature too :)
 
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Didn't BMW offer a small table and chair setup in earlier X5s, something they copied from Honda on their older CRVs?
 

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I also love how it turns into a bench, so you can sit on the edge for tailgating and stuff.

Yeah, with a little roof, the T4R it's not quite as sit friendly (you have to sit way back), but it makes for a full on shelter. We've stood underneath it dozens of times at the beach during a 10 minute Florida shower :D
 

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Didn't BMW offer a small table and chair setup in earlier X5s, something they copied from Honda on their older CRVs?

I don't think the E53 ever offered a table. The CRV table was a pretty cool idea back in the day

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Didn't BMW offer a small table and chair setup in earlier X5s, something they copied from Honda on their older CRVs?

The original p38 Range Rover Holland and Holland Edition came with a similar table and folding chair setup that fit gingerly* into the trunk. (I believe they also came with snazzy H&H luggage too)

*( @AutoUnion39 please add gingerly to the list)

Speaking of which, remember when Ford Explorers came with those folding chairs. Those folding chairs were all the range back in the 90's.
 

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Come on guys, we can't get serious about this until we talk about the Nash Rambler with the bed in the back!

My dad had a Rambler in high school, although his didn't have the bed. When he would pick girls up for a date, he used to back into the driveway and open the car up to show their fathers that he DIDN'T have that option.
 
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Suspension shot (or worn out, bottoming out) on the E90 so decided to do a little suspension shopping and...

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(Bilstein B6)
And once I do a little creative accounting with my finances:

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(Ohlins Road&Track for the R56 MINI)

Hopefully I get the E90 done before or around Thanksgiving and finances pending, Ohlins around Christmas.
 

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I can understand paying for Overfinch if you really want to "bling out" as the kids say or because you don't care about spending money willy nilly, albeit for tastefully appointed cars. I find it more amusing when I see Holland and Holland editions. My experience with that brand is shooting their weapons. They're pricey, but they're handcrafted and being a supplier to the British Royals lends merit to the brand even more.

My issue with Overfinch is that they're a relatively new company in terms of upscale old world luxury and try to emulate styles that were befit for a wealthy individual or royalty in the early to mid 1900s.

I wonder if the Germans sans VW will ever come out with a van? Then Goldberg can transport his Goldberlings in the future to their sports games. Joke aside, minivans are slowly dying out thanks to the abomination known as crossovers. I was looking at them the other day and it's hard to say which is the best in the long run, but I think the Sienna is the better choice for large families.


I don't think the E53 ever offered a table. The CRV table was a pretty cool idea back in the day

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Snazzy too. Shame they stopped!

BTW, in re: to the CC vs Audi comment, I saw it styled like the A7 fastback and said what I said. I think the front could do with more flair but I believe they're going to utilize Audi's ability to create sharp creases in the body panels and it's going to look better than a render... hopefully. VW sees themselves as some type of hybrid premium and entry luxury company and they need to improve a lot. The CC, as I said, was a huge step up for the company at the time. VW makes just a couple cars worth the money. I think the R is quite nicely appointed for a fast hatch, and the 2018 model is getting the VAG digital dash, IIRC.
 

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Ferraris and in general, most Italian cars suffer from a myriad of issues. They're hostile little things. People whinge about an 80s Electric Gremlin Edition BMW TM but they've never driven Italian cars from that era.
 

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Maserati's and much of FCAs products are decent throwaway cars. 2 year leasing would be a wise move if pressed to get a car by them. I fear after 24 months, everything goes to the trash bin. I like split gates myself. They're incredibly useful. Traditional gates aren't bad provided to open up enough. Swing out gates aren't all too bad, but sometimes they don't make sense over methods of gate implementation.

If one really wants one, it's also best to take advantage of the depreciation they suffer from. If one buys a clean Maserati that's only about 3-4 years old (and has some sort of warranty or general maintenance coverage), they can walk away with a nice machine, have a bit of confidence, and can be content in knowing that they picked up a car for basically half its original cost. A $100k Maserati (as well as Mercedes and such) is $50-60k after a few years, and in good condition.
 

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That's true. The Maserati will have more issues. MBZ not so much. Older Mercs, yes. We'll be ridding ourselves of our CLS soon. Good thing for the next owner is that we bought the 3 yr/100 mile extended warranty, so 7 years 100K miles. Knock on wood we've never had issues with the car, but we really didn't with the E prior to it. The CLS is an oddball of a car, and it never complained after I drove it. I've not been gentle with our cars so I'm surprised it holds up rather well to my abuse. Unfortunately, the depreciation on a CLS is harsher than other Benzes, mostly because no one wants one. 29K over 2 years by my count.
 
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Sucks to hear about the bad luck you had with that '08. I was assuming that the 2007/2008 models would be more reliable than the 2005/2006 models (at least, in terms of the clutch).

Ours has a bit of wear on it, so we're trying to extend its life by only driving it in manual mode. It really helps, since driving in semi-auto mode (on '05/'06 QPs) incorrectly is devastating to the clutch. A lot of people bought these and expected them to be daily drivers. Many were very disappointed when they found out the truth. Well, at least a 2012 QP could be a daily driver, as they are much cushier and more refined.
 

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Yes, much like Mousoulini and Hitler, the Italian pissed off the German and the German called for war over the Italians. It's why @AutoUnion39 has become Audi/VAG's unofficial North America - East Operations brand ambassador.
 

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That's true. The Maserati will have more issues. MBZ not so much. Older Mercs, yes. We'll be ridding ourselves of our CLS soon. Good thing for the next owner is that we bought the 3 yr/100 mile extended warranty, so 7 years 100K miles. Knock on wood we've never had issues with the car, but we really didn't with the E prior to it. The CLS is an oddball of a car, and it never complained after I drove it. I've not been gentle with our cars so I'm surprised it holds up rather well to my abuse. Unfortunately, the depreciation on a CLS is harsher than other Benzes, mostly because no one wants one. 29K over 2 years by my count.

Yeah, Mercedes hold up fairly well. There was a weak point for them, but they've recovered. On a side note, my favorite Mercedes (1970s) seem to be pretty reliable. I see plenty of 1970s/1980s 450 SLs and such driving around - and not necessarily by enthusiasts. My neighbor was selling a 1978 450SL and let me take it around the block. Man, was that a solid car for its age. The power steering was fluid, the car went exactly where you took the wheel, and the punch and acceleration were good for such a heavy car. Only thing that felt wrong with it was perhaps the brakes. (Probably bad booster.)

My dad personally owned a 1972 Mercedes 280SE, which I have fond memories of. Sure, it was somewhat of a beater, but there wasn't any considerable exterior damage. It wasn't necessary dependable, but it wasn't a hunk of junk either. I still will never forgive whoever stole it.
 

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Yeah, I've posted about my affinity for Mercs. It's a family tradition. I've owned them, my siblings have, father has owned several, his father AKA my grandfather had several of them, and I believe his father owned one as well. A 10/25 according to what I was told as a child.

70s Mercs were well made. Minimal electric wiring that went funky, and if it did, it's a cheap fix if you have any inkling of electrics knowledge. The 80s brought different systems. The SEL varieties had their own set of issues. There were/are some goldmines of MBZ cars from the 80s and 90s to be had. The 190 is quite popular; people find a very basic one and drop a newer engine in it or retro it out.

As with Miatas, E39s, older MBZ cars and just about anything, you can get an LS engine to fit and have a little monster in your hands.
 

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Maseratti not so surprisingly have atrocious resale values. Hell they can't discount the new ones enough to get them moved off the dealer lots. @AutoUnion39 secretly wants me to buy a Ghibli and almost on a daily basis sends me a listing with some crazy markdown. The most recent was $22k off the $88k sticker price.

Obviously more expensive "luxury" ($100k) cars depreciate at a faster rate than less expensive cars. But Maserati's high repair costs and low reliability/quality are sure to drive down the prices faster. We saw this with companies like Land Rover and Jaguar not too long ago.

As I mentioned a couple days ago RE: exotic luxury vehicles (Rolls Royce, Bentley), such cars might be more luxurious with nicer wood and leather but it doesn't neccesarrily mean it has the most modern tech, has the best performance, or even has the best build quality. I was just reading about a Maserati recall on the leather peeling off. If you want a luxurious enough sedan with plenty of power and decent reliability/build quality go with an S600 or anything mainstream.
 

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Panamera Executive is lush for a Porsche, IIRC. I forget if it was either you or AU who I jokingly said Masrerati discount so much because the car is likely to break down 50 meters from the dealer lots. The Ghibli is a Frankenstein of FCA parts and I'm not at all surprised it's being heavily discounted. The only FCA car that isn't troublesome and has great resale value is the Wrangler. Even before FCA, it always has had great resale value. Even rusted out ones sell for a silly amount.

It is the prototypical douchebag car though.
 

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Yeah, Mercedes hold up fairly well. There was a weak point for them, but they've recovered. On a side note, my favorite Mercedes (1970s) seem to be pretty reliable. I see plenty of 1970s/1980s 450 SLs and such driving around - and not necessarily by enthusiasts. My neighbor was selling a 1978 450SL and let me take it around the block. Man, was that a solid car for its age. The power steering was fluid, the car went exactly where you took the wheel, and the punch and acceleration were good for such a heavy car. Only thing that felt wrong with it was perhaps the brakes. (Probably bad booster.)

My dad personally owned a 1972 Mercedes 280SE, which I have fond memories of. Sure, it was somewhat of a beater, but there wasn't any considerable exterior damage. It wasn't necessary dependable, but it wasn't a hunk of junk either. I still will never forgive whoever stole it.
Just a heads-up, I know you mean well, but I think MOST of the hostility is coming from you referencing the Mazarati and then also talking about other cars which you don't really know. I can't say anything on Mazaratis, super cars/sports cars don't interest me much, but what I do know, I will converse about. Like the CRV table, I know that it was a cool feature because I know someone who has it. I also know that the 1999 series CRV has motor mount flaws, but its a neat little car. You keep talking about the Mazarati, defending it with examples you don't really know. Like, for instance, I know I can compare my 4Runner to a newer one, since I've ridden and driven both extensively. I can say, without any issue that my car is SLOW, and it doesn't have a lot of features other than A/C, Power Brakes/Steering, Power Windows, and Radio :).
 
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I can understand paying for Overfinch if you really want to "bling out" as the kids say or because you don't care about spending money willy nilly, albeit for tastefully appointed cars. I find it more amusing when I see Holland and Holland editions. My experience with that brand is shooting their weapons. They're pricey, but they're handcrafted and being a supplier to the British Royals lends merit to the brand even more.

My issue with Overfinch is that they're a relatively new company in terms of upscale old world luxury and try to emulate styles that were befit for a wealthy individual or royalty in the early to mid 1900s.

I wonder if the Germans sans VW will ever come out with a van? Then Goldberg can transport his Goldberlings in the future to their sports games. Joke aside, minivans are slowly dying out thanks to the abomination known as crossovers. I was looking at them the other day and it's hard to say which is the best in the long run, but I think the Sienna is the better choice for large families

I think the Overfinch rovers are hideous. But they're a 3rd party they can do what they want.

The real Holland and Holland Rovers are made by Land Rover. I think Overfinch had a H&H concept a while back with the MKIII since LR did not put out a Holland and Holland edition.

The present generation H&H is stupid expensive I can't believe how much money LR is asking... $250,000 for a $140,000 Range Rover. (Then again if you look up the 2001/2 Linley Edition that was $140,000 on a $60,000 car.. They planned to make 6 but I think only made 3-4)

The orginal H&H P38 Range Rover was a much more reasonable $5-7,000 extra over the HSE model. It wasn't blingy either. One of my personal favorites infact. I actually saw one for sale a while back locally for cheap but like a typical P38 everything was broken. Head gaskets, air suspension, BeCM one stupid computer to run every function of the car.

Abominations called crossovers? Remember where the chasis of your GL is derived. Hint it's not a conventional truck-like body on fame such as a G-Wagon or Landcruiser or Yukon. Sadly the abomination W163 M-class is more of an SUV than most SUVs today. Let Jurassic Park (III?) be a reminder of that :p

The true abomination environmentalists refuse to recognize are Minivans, which are generally 15 years behind SUV technology. Minivans get awful gas mileage, especially AWD models. Despite their practicality almost any crossover is more efficient.

Why do you think I'll be buying a Minivan or popping out a slew of Goldberglings anytime soon? Hahaha. I'm not even married. My girlfriend has a Volvo S60 already so all she needs is a wagon (V60) to become a soccer mom. Volvo-check. Wagon-nope. Half way there...

(I'd make a joke about Jews not playing sports... But I don't think this is the appropriate place. But hey I defied the stereotype!)

Edit: Jews don't buy VW's you should know that :p Some are still bitter about the Nazi enslavement issues in VW factories. Fords aren't too fondly looked upon either, Henry Ford was a bit of an antisemite.
 

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But the GL is an SUV on the exterior. I wouldn't call swimming a sport to be frank. I don't call most sports sports because they're not really a sport. I don't consider racing a sport, yet others do. Must be an East Coast Jewish thing, as all the Jewish people I know end up driving German cars. Two and a Half Men had a line in it during its earlier years. Something a writer's grandmother said once many moons ago about Mercedes being Hitler's Nazi phallic symbol. Evelyn Harper, the character who played Charlie and Allen's mother said that, IIRC. I can see why some may be aprehensive about it if their family suffered in the factories. A lot of companies were involved with the Third Reich, but do these people actively protest using the products and or services of these companies, or is it just the car brands?

Volvo Wagon, you say? All you need is a golden retriever (Goldberg => Golden Retriever), a dog cage barrier and two or three Goldberglings. TBH, The Sienna Limited Premium with the V6 gets 19/27, which is rather good for a behemoth nearing on 2.5 tons.

Edit: Well, the GLE coupe looks rather nice... Still too small in terms of available space. The Nissan Murano and the Infiniti FX series, were the first crossovers I recall hitting the market in the early 2000s. Unless something came before either one. Off to bed to have a nightmare or two of Maserati's trying to run me down but suffering from catastrophic engine failure at the last second.
 
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Just a heads-up, I know you mean well, but I think MOST of the hostility is coming from you referencing the Mazarati and then also talking about other cars which you don't really know. I can't say anything on Mazaratis, super cars/sports cars don't interest me much, but what I do know, I will converse about. Like the CRV table, I know that it was a cool feature because I know someone who has it. I also know that the 1999 series CRV has motor mount flaws, but its a neat little car. You keep talking about the Mazarati, defending it with examples you don't really know. Like, for instance, I know I can compare my 4Runner to a newer one, since I've ridden and driven both extensively. I can say, without any issue that my car is SLOW, and it doesn't have a lot of features other than A/C, Power Brakes/Steering, Power Windows, and Radio :).

Well, I generally referenced cars that I've driven (I made a brief list when someone accused me of having barely driven anything). Being a thread for any type of car, there are sure to be cars that interest some people and cars that don't. However, when I am not interested in a conversation, I usually ignore it. The hostility started when another user here (who didn't care for my posts, even though I was replying to people who had initially replied to me) essentially told me to shut up and also rudely suggested that the car be taken to a scrap yard. Then, after I further defended myself and my argument, I was called an 'accident' by another user here, who then felt the need to bring age into the conversation... as if my age actually pertains to this. Not very mature.

(BTW, the argument only pertained to the Maserati, and it's probably finalized at this point. My argument was clear and rational and based upon firsthand experience with the cars, research, and stories from others.)


I can also compare an older Toyota to a newer one, as I've both ridden in and driven old and new Toyotas. Our Landcruiser has a good amount of features, but it's also pretty slow and has under-designed brakes. However, its ride quality trumped that of this 2015 Corolla I used for my mandatory driving course... and that machine has the advantage of being a small car. It's my opinion that Toyota tried way harder to make great cars (and succeeded at it) in the 1990s than they do in the present. I would call THAT an opinion or personal thought, as I haven't driven every new and old Toyota out there. However, after dealing with detailing the Maserati, researching its plastic issues, hearing stories from others, and even sitting in an identical one that had the same issue, I think I've been able to correctly deduce the cause of its issues (those of which I've had with household products as well). And, because I was assuring another user that I was positive that my argument was correct (and because we had replied to each other multiple times), it looked as though I was solely going on and on about it.
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I also love how it turns into a bench, so you can sit on the edge for tailgating and stuff.

I like pushing down on those 'benches' and seeing how much the rear suspension will sag. These Landcruisers are so spongey. And, of course, it makes it easier to load things in, as the folded-down gate acts as a nice landing.

We used to have an Excursion with the partitioned swing-out gates. I guess they were cool... although, I forget whether or not the swing-out gates could open without the main gate being open. If that was the case, they were more useful than usual. Otherwise, it was a lot of door to deal with. Then again, that was the least of our problems with that truck. The only advantage to that thing was hauling space and a great time for the passengers. Probably one of the most comfortable SUVs I've been in. Couldn't say that the driver was experiencing the same comfort.
 
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Has anyone taken a look at the new Suburbans? They are much improved. The only thing they lack that the previous generations has is space. The new one is still a big automobile, but it has been compressed some. Didn't get to drive it, but the driver agreed that it was a great ride. Being in the back, I was able to feel how soft and coddling the suspension was. And, of course, the seats were very supportive - much softer than the ones in the '07 that we used to have.

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If there's one thing that I think is bigger, it's the center console. Look at that abyss.
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You gotta let it go if you try the pit bull thing it's just going to get worse.

I have. A rational user agreed with me that sun and heat exposure are likely the cause. Also, others can agree that users shouldn't insult each other. It's supposed to be a fun thread.
 

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Maseratti not so surprisingly have atrocious resale values. Hell they can't discount the new ones enough to get them moved off the dealer lots. @AutoUnion39 secretly wants me to buy a Ghibli and almost on a daily basis sends me a listing with some crazy markdown. The most recent was $22k off the $88k sticker price.

During a couple of trips out to LA, I noticed the huge number of Maseratis, I mean, they were all over like you'd expect to see Camrys - and a lot of younger people driving them vs. the typical 3-series I expect to see them in.

Well, we wound up driving past a couple of dealers with big signs up and/or [eventually] saw several billboards - holy hell, the leases were dirt cheap, I don't recall the _exact_ numbers but it was like $579-599/month, low-to-nothing down.
 
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