Pretty much across the US. I'm sure the sales are concentrated in the snow areas though?
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Pretty much across the US. I'm sure the sales are concentrated in the snow areas though?
The VW stigma is very real. Downsides of having so many brands under it. Its creeping into so many of them. Saw a Bentayga this week and i couldn't help but laugh whenever i saw VW/Audi elements throughout the interior. Its still a Bentley of course but geez...
Its the go to stick BMW and MBZ owners use to flog any VW group product. The RS7/R8 gets a minor pass because they're relatively loveable and different.
The issue with your argument is that you were wrong from the get-go. ABS is a thermoplastic and requires heat and UV exposure well beyond the internal heat of a car during a SoCal summer to have any detrimental effect. Even if you parked your Land Cruiser in the middle of Death Valley during the height of the summer season for a month or more, nothing would happen to those plastics. ABS, though, is susceptible to acids and your finger oil is acidic. ABS also reacts better to hot/cold cycles than any plastics used in cars.
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Probably. I saw an SRX yesterday outside a store and couldn't figure out what it was. The SRX badge had been removed. Ugly car.
The Bentley is an overpriced car for what it is. With VAG, you have a lot of good options for cars. The Touareg isn't a bad car. Quite nice actually. But a lot of VW cars are boring, badly designed and appointed (for their price) and need life injected into them.
It's rather two-way. They can flog against the Audi owners, but the Audi owners will snap back at the offenders by stating they bought the base car, which is really the case, to be honest. Anyone serious about cars and didn't buy the cheapest model isn't going to be a dick about it. One of the things I like about MBZ is that their AMG models aren't too different from the normal models. It's why you can get your AMG debadged or underbadged and no one would know the difference. With the trend of turbocharging, the gutteral sounds of a naturally aspirated engine are going the way of the Dodo bird. It's even harder for non-enthusiasts to pick up the sound different between a Biturbo V8 and a standard V6. The old 6.2 or 6.3 liter Benz was using was a bloody monster. I heard one back in November of last year outside a store go past me in the lot and I knew it wasn't your average E class. You could hear the old E63s from far away.
Brand Addicts, Toffers, Repeat Customers, etc. are all in their own categories.
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Probably. I saw an SRX yesterday outside a store and couldn't figure out what it was. The SRX badge had been removed. Ugly car.
The Bentley is an overpriced car for what it is. With VAG, you have a lot of good options for cars. The Touareg isn't a bad car. Quite nice actually. But a lot of VW cars are boring, badly designed and appointed (for their price) and need life injected into them.
It's rather two-way. They can flog against the Audi owners, but the Audi owners will snap back at the offenders by stating they bought the base car, which is really the case, to be honest. Anyone serious about cars and didn't buy the cheapest model isn't going to be a dick about it. One of the things I like about MBZ is that their AMG models aren't too different from the normal models. It's why you can get your AMG debadged or underbadged and no one would know the difference. With the trend of turbocharging, the gutteral sounds of a naturally aspirated engine are going the way of the Dodo bird. It's even harder for non-enthusiasts to pick up the sound different between a Biturbo V8 and a standard V6. The old 6.2 or 6.3 liter Benz was using was a bloody monster. I heard one back in November of last year outside a store go past me in the lot and I knew it wasn't your average E class. You could hear the old E63s from far away.
Brand Addicts, Toffers, Repeat Customers, etc. are all in their own categories.
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Seems pretty childish when you could also use that same "argument" against Lexus too.
All of the current Rolls Royce models use BMW switches/stalks, so it's not just a VAG issue.
Parts of the Ghost interior are quite downmarket and cheap feeling (stalks, steering column, wheel switches) especially for $300k. Even worse than the Bentayga.
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It is childish but a lot car enthusiasts aren't particularly known for being 'mature' or rational
The Dawn uses 7 series platform, too.
Funny you bringing up the Lexus argument. A lot of people assume Lexus are fancy Camry's when it was only the ES300 that was put together using a lot of Camry parts, and now uses Avalon parts. Safer to say the Avalon is a fancy Camry. Actually, I've seen people state the RCF is a fancy FRS/86. Amusing really.
100% true. VW has went from a company that made some cool cars (Pheaton, Touareg V10 TDI, Passat W8, etc) to making complete trash like the NMS Passat and MK6 Jetta sedan.
At least they haven't completely ruined the Golf. The one consistently solid car in their lineup.
Rationality goes out the window when you're nudged for spending a great deal of money on something others deem terrible.
You seem to forget the utter mistake they made by renaming the Golf as the Rabbit during the MK5 era. I still remember the nasty public letters people were posting online. That was a thing during those times. When the CC came out, it came with a lot of fanfare and it looks good for that time, 2009, I believe, but the car hasn't changed much for the better since. That's 7 years later!
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Yes, the service manager at the shop. They're rather excited to bill 20 hours of work.
Yup, the Dawn is ultimately a convertible Wraith (which is a Ghost coupé.) All based on the F01 platform.
Oh god. That's just ridiculous.
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I think the bigger issue with the MK5 Golf/Rabbit at the time was that they only brought us a base model. Only a 2.5L with cloth seats and no options, besides 2/4dr and manual/automatic.
If you wanted options, they forced you to the GTI. With the MK6 and MK7, you could order a non-GTI with navigation/better audio/VTex/Bi-Xenons, etc.
Finally a new one coming. I loved the CC when it first came out. What a stylish car for 2009ish
http://www.carscoops.com/2016/08/2018-vw-cc-prematurely-leaked-or-is.html
I was at the LA Autoshow back when the IS-F first made its North American debut. There was this obviously misinformed gentleman about as old as I am now then who said it was a fancy big engined Corolla. There wasn't a single soul there who didn't mutter a "**** off." Car shows, much like coffee and car gatherings, seem to attract non-car people who offer their thoughts and or opinions that aren't really well thought out. If Lexus can deliver a car that packs the performance, handling and luxury of a German yet at a cheaper price point, and not be a blue whale in curb weight, then they'll succeed.
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Probably this
New CC is MQB (transverse + Haldex AWD)
A7/MK2 A7 is MLB/MLB2 Evo (longitudinal + Torsen AWD)
MSB is Porsche's new platform that will be shared with Bentley.
http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=12881
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The Prado is basically the same thing as a GX470 except different badging and grill. Remember Lexus hasn't and doesn't exist in much of the world. The newer Prados are considered luxury SUVs.
Sadly for the Land Cruiser/Prado/LX/GX most people aren't interested in body on frame 14mpg gas guzzling SUVs. Theyd rather have something more agile.
I love those roll down back windows. So functional.
What on earth is a low end Range Rover? Which model are we speaking of this is the first I've heard of it? Which generation/year?
Low end like an Evoque or RR Sport? Or low end like like base engine.
I can tell you for a fact a new Range Rover will have a far softer ride than any Maserati I've been in.
No offense but back to this again?* A play by play of the discussion is not necessary. There are zillions of types of plastics in the world, various content differnces, additional coatings applied, multiple plastic species used on a dashboard- the surface top is probably different than the switchgear. You resolved the problem for now, no?*
My suggestion to you would not to engage the dashboard debate until you have information beyond speculation regarding specifically what plastics and/or are being used and the physiochemical properties of said materials. Otherwise this is just becoming obsessive banter, right?*
(*These are rhetorical questions)
Also referring to your parents QP as "this machine" for some reason gets irksome.
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They're quite real ...
Yeah, you know, that was a big difference with the Lexus variant (GX470), that really made a big for me, the operating rear window and a lift gate vs. a fixed window and swing out gate. I much prefer the T4R setup.
Yeah but yours wasn't a Neiman Marcus edition
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Fixed it! "FUNCTIONAL"They're quite real ...
Yeah, you know, that was a big difference with the Lexus variant (GX470), that really made a big for me, the operating rear window and a lift gate vs. a fixed window and swing out gate. I much prefer the T4R setup.
I've never been a big fan of the swing out tailgates. I remember the Disco's my family owned with swing out doors, always a PITA when parallel parked (especially considering the doors opened to the right, which usually means you're blocking access to the curb with the door... British engineering).
Personally I've always liked the split tailgate of the full blooded Range Rovers, Volvo XC90, Land Cruisers.
The T4R power glass tailgates always remind me of my dads Jeep Grand Wagoneer, which had the same setup. I was really young when he owned that but I still remember the smell and how long it took to open/shut that trunk in a rainstorm (before keyless entry).
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It's a 2013 RR Sport. Good, sport suspension, but not particularly comfortable (and nor are the seats). The 2005 Maserati has a much cushier ride.
As for the plastics, I'm not gonna speak for other plastics - I'm focusing on the QP's plastics. Even the plastics that aren't touched melt, and I've seen this first-hand in two QP's and have seen and read several other cases that other owners have had. The plastics themselves, in my experience, tend to become worse if they're been touched a lot, since touching the already-melted coating on them screws up the plastic further. It doesn't cause the initial melting; rather, it disfigures the coating. It can either shift it about, cause it to peel more, or cause finger prints in the rubber coating (or all together).
Also, I brought this up again in the first place because AutoUnion here gave me a reply that had to do with the plastics. I simply stated my argument and the rebuttal that was initially given to me. Of course, after saying that any and all the rubber-coated plastics in the car were melted, it still didn't seem to click with a couple people here. I can't make it any simpler, besides maybe by making the text noticeable: Every rubberized piece in the car is sticky and/or melted - EVEN pieces of plastic that hadn't been touched in the car's 11-year existence/since the issue began. Yes, the pieces that were touched more often fared worse because touching an already-melted surface tends to screw it up even more; but I firmly believe that, considering what I have seen AND felt in the Maserati, oils from skin are not the major culprit here. Of course, as soon as I say this, some wonder why I'm still going on about it. I'm continuing the argument as long as I still get active replies and rebuttals. So far, the replies haven't stopped.
Disclaimer: I mean no disrespect or hostility towards you or others on this thread. I came here without malicious intentions and expected to be treated fairly. (In fact, I had pleasant replies from you as well.)
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I'd suggest taking it to a Maserati forum. It's probably sun, heat, or some other sort of environmental issue such as pollution or natural reasons for acidic air. I believe most modern dashboards have plastic covered with a coating. It's likely the coating that's the issue.
Range Rover Sport Supercharged (SC 5.0 V8) or SCV6 or 5.0 V8?
Tell me about it... I was bombarded for posing a simple argument about the plastics in our car, and by those who have never even sat in this make of car.
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Exactly - it's a sun and heat thing, and that melts the coating. I was originally blasted for saying that, as some others here are claiming that it's SOLELY an issue of finger oils... when it's more than just the buttons that were melted.
The Maserati forums were of help; I spent a great deal of time and was able to cure the plastics of their melted feel. As I said, they were merely powder-coated pieces of cheap ABS plastic. I simply removed the melted layer from every piece of plastic - even those pieces that are never touched. The ending result was great.
The RR is a Supercharged model.
Yeah but yours wasn't a Neiman Marcus edition
Pfft... mine was better. The Collezione Cento edition, one of 100. MY2008
In 2012, I was about to replace the clutch for the 4th! time. At that point, it was already high mileage (almost 30k.) My service advisor advised (hehe) me to just part it out to make some money back.
Maserati has lost a customer for life. Never again will I buy their worthless junk.
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I loved that on ours - specifically for groceries. With the X5 you could load it up, open the top part of the tailgate, and easily lift stuff over, but without worrying about anything falling out.
With the single piece lift gate ... well, we've had some pickle mishaps.
Maserati's and much of FCAs products are decent throwaway cars. 2 year leasing would be a wise move if pressed to get a car by them. I fear after 24 months, everything goes to the trash bin. I like split gates myself. They're incredibly useful. Traditional gates aren't bad provided to open up enough. Swing out gates aren't all too bad, but sometimes they don't make sense over methods of gate implementation.
I also love how it turns into a bench, so you can sit on the edge for tailgating and stuff.