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I'll vent for a moment.

I think it'd help my sanity if I remove my rear view mirror. Drivers around here like to tailgate -- mind you, I'm not going slow, and I try to keep the interval ahead of me at a nominal two-to-three seconds -- but to have a jackass in a Camaro ride my butt even though I'm going 35 in a 30, and we're on a military base, and he's in uniform ("always remember who you are and what you represent," right?) is no way to start a morning.

Either I'll just ignore the center mirror or I'll start carrying a notepad up front. If he ends up behind me again, I'll just stop, get out, walk up to his window with my notepad and pen (I've still got a high-n'-tight haircut, too, plus the specialty license plate to match), and ask for his name, unit, and CO. I'll probably be able to find his CO on the email locator, but I'm sure that just my asking for his info would scare him straight.

You don't mess around on the road near your workplace. That's called "******** in your own bed". The guy you tailgate or flip off could be your boss.
 
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m not a huge fan of the star and would prefer the old hood ornament and the old school grills. Something something pedestrian safety, blah blah blah.

The glowing Mercedes emblem is absolutely obnoxious. Anecdotally speaking, I pretty much only see it the CLA’s (which are garbage to begin with). Second to that occasionally on the GLE’s SUVs, which I don’t know why anyone buys at this point as they are horrendously dated.

I know Mercedes dropped the hood ornament on the C-Class for this year. I imagine it has to do with most people buying the “sport” version in the past anyways and Mercedes attempt to go for a sportier look. I think they’re still available on the E and S classes if you opt for the “luxury” package. I long for the day when hood ornaments make a come back.

There's only one problem with the new RAV4: sales won't start until late this year. :(

The new Rav4 looks great. My sister owned a 2014 RAV4 Limited (which got totaled) and now a 2016 RAV Limited (or as I call it, the RAV5). For $33,000 you get quite a bit for your money. The only thing that is lacking is the 2.5 4cyl which is weak. There’s the hybrid option which probably gives a little extra oomph, but my sister didn’t like the way it drove and she somehow got a more discounts going with the convebtional drivetrain. It’s unfortunate they dropped the V6 year go. Her biggest gripe is the lack of power, especially now that she’s in Colorado where the altitude negatively impacts the power. Previous to the RAV4s she owned a 2007 5.7L V8 Grand Cherokee Overland, so the 4cyl is a big step down.

I always found the 4th generation RAV4’s asthetics a bit awkward and over-styled. The interior also has too many materials going on as well and while it offers a lot in terms of safety tech, the navigation system and interface is a bit dated.

The next gen RAV4 looks great. I definitely like the more rugged appearance. I just hope they will be able to pack a little more power under the hood for better acceleration and to accommodate the presumably heavier body. I don’t have much faith they’ll be successful with that though, given Toyota’s general aversion to turbocharging which is pretty much their only option other than putting in a V6.

Oh well, it’s a great car for the money. Now that my sister is a practicing doc she’ll be looking to step up in the next year or so anyways and it probably won’t be a “RAV6”.
 
The glowing Mercedes emblem is absolutely obnoxious. Anecdotally speaking, I pretty much only see it the CLA’s (which are garbage to begin with). Second to that occasionally on the GLE’s SUVs, which I don’t know why anyone buys at this point as they are horrendously dated.

The glowing emblem and the large emblem, while the same, are also not the same. Bear with me here. The large emblem is nothing new to MBZ. A large emblem has been used in place of the hood ornament on some Mercs for a few decades now. The glowing emblem, which you and I dislike, is fairly new. I've only seen a few at night in the wild (for obvious reasons), but I believe they were CLAs. A totally useless vehicle.

I wouldn't be surprised if other manufacturers begin doing things like this. I don't see the point, apart from screaming to the world "I was too cheap to get the driver assistance package but I paid $650 for this neat-o light that makes me look like a jackass!"


I know Mercedes dropped the hood ornament on the C-Class for this year. I imagine it has to do with most people buying the “sport” version in the past anyways and Mercedes attempt to go for a sportier look. I think they’re still available on the E and S classes if you opt for the “luxury” package. I long for the day when hood ornaments make a come back.

Yes, it's called the "luxury package" ("elegance" in the UK apparently) but this package doesn't exist to my knowledge for 2018 and onward. It was something offered the last few years to buyers who wanted the classic MBZ grill design. That said, the current grill isn't bad, just the one AU pointed out outside of the GT. Apart from those silly pedestrians, modern luxury vehicles require more space for their numerous road sensors and radar systems.

In any case, the large emblem is easily ignored unlike BMW's kidney grill which seems to get bigger with each generation and LCI. In any case, the upcoming X7 looks like a rabid beaver waiting to chomp your head off.
 
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The glowing emblem and the large emblem, while the same, are also not the same. Bear with me here. The large emblem is nothing new to MBZ. A large emblem has been used in place of the hood ornament on some Mercs for a few decades now. The glowing emblem, which you and I dislike, is fairly new. I've only seen a few at night in the wild (for obvious reasons), but I believe they were CLAs. A totally useless vehicle.

I wouldn't be surprised if other manufacturers begin doing things like this. I don't see the point, apart from screaming to the world "I was too cheap to get the driver assistance package but I paid $650 for this neat-o light that makes me look like a jackass!"

I never said they were the same. Though apparently there are aftermarket glowing logos you can get. These seem to be much brighter than the far more subtle OEM option. It seems like a stupid waste of $650 though and looks onbnoxious. I think the Mercedes logo carries enough weight, the illumination is excessive.

The standard grill emblem isn’t bad. I think I prefer the ornament however the grills on the newer models with the ornament I don’t think look particularly good. I miss the days of the W124, W210, and W211. The W212 is okay but never was much in love with the interior or the angular headlights. The W213 is beautiful, especially with the AMG grill. It’s up there on my list of cars to buy but the price is a bit outrageous (especially since I don’t really want the 2.0T E300). My dad had an E300 TurboDiesel back in the day- that wasn’t such an iconic car- kind of the last real Mercedes (though debatably you could say the W124 E was really the last of the great).

The new Mercedes just don’t carry quite the same elegance that they did in their former years. Mercedes historically seems to focus on top down engineering (Building the S class and watering it down the the C- leaving the C-Class with much to be desired). BMW seems to have gone the opposite direction working from the 3 to 7.

Thankfully the new C-Class is decent, far better than the previous generations. My friend just bought a C300 4Matic, but it’s build quality is quite disappointing- misaligned trim, squeaks and rattles, etc. Not what I would expect from a $45,000 or whatever car. On the other hand the 3-Series has become huge (as big, if not bigger than my E60 535). It makes my dad’s IS350 IS3 look like an MG or something.

Meanwhile I feel like the A4 has been left in the dark for ages. Talk about a fairly dated car. On a related note, a friend of mine recently totaled his 2015 Passat, which is an awful car compared to the legendary B5.5 Passat and even the B6/B7 Passat. In those days the Passat nearly was in the Volvo/Saab realm. The Phaeton and Touareg were fantastic, it’s a shame VW decided to kill off their premium approach in exchange for trying to become a mass market affordable car.

Interestingly, the Passat/CC was one of the last family cars to offer AWD (not to mention the awesome W8 engine option). I guess most buyers have moved on to the SUV/CUV market now that gas prices are down. Evidently the next generation Nissan Altima will be offering AWD, so that might stir things up a little. I think the only other options at this point are the Ford Fusion/Taurus and somewhat controversial Subaru Impreza/Legacy. I suppose you might be able to add the TSX to that list.

One for the reasons my GF went with the S60 T6 AWD was that it’s one of the few, reasonably affordable to buy and maintain, premium sedans with AWD. It’s a 2013, purchased for pennies on the dollar CPO in 2014 with 33k. I think she has about 45k on it now. Every time I take it in for service they harass me to trade it in for a new S60- which is atrociously dated at his point.

My dad bought the IS350 AWD (3IS) as his commuter car. AWD (or def not RWD) is a must in New England. Personally I still think he should have gone with he GS350- more room, more comfort, basically the same fuel economy, no crazy tire setups, similar cost, but he didn’t want something that big when his other car is a 2012 Range Rover Sport. I suppose the TSX was an option but A. The quality/refinement/tech isn’t quite there and B. They’re still using timing belts- not ideal for someone driving 40k/year.

I need to make a decision on a car- X3, X60 (Maybe XC90, 5-Series (maybe 3-Series), and E-Class are all up there. Maybe the F-Pace. I’d prefer a Touareg TDI, subtle yet classy, but it’s reached its EOL and the V6 option sucks. BMW is a bit flashier than I prefer, Volvo’s reliability has ranked (my mom also had a 2015 XC70 T6 that was a lemon), and the Jaguar brand is a bit weird, a bit too flashy, and the F-Pace does is a good car, but not outstanding for its price.

My dad says he wants to replace the RRS in the next year or two. either with a Range Rover, Range Rover Sport, or Disco5 - hopefully with the TD6 now that it’s available. Or maybe a Land Cruiser if they’re still available then as he’s loved his couple LC’s. His current RRS is the 5.0 V8 HSS LUX, purchased as a demo with several thousand miles, now with like 140k! It’s actually been surprisingly reliable compared to our previous Rovers (Disco, Disco II, RR Classic, and P38 Range). He also wants a Tacoma but my “mom won’t let him” (and I don’t think money is an issue).

My sister should be replacing her Rav4 in the next year or so- looking for a higher end midsize SUV. She’s pretty picky though.

And now that my aunt has purchased a 2018 MDX, I think my mom feels obligated to buy a new car to replace her 2015 Allroad. Keeping up with the Joneses so to speak. I suppose she already has 86,000 miles or something crazy.

My GF’s mom has a 2012-13 (?- preface-lift with the ugly grill) GX460 with over 140k- but nothing has even broken on it. So she’s also looking for a new car. I think an XC90 would fit her well as they also have a Model S 90D (or 100D, I always forget- I think 90), J100 Land Cruiser, and LR Defender.

Maybe we can work out some sort of group but if we can all agree to buy from the same dealer :p
 
I never said they were the same. Though apparently there are aftermarket glowing logos you can get. These seem to be much brighter than the far more subtle OEM option. It seems like a stupid waste of $650 though and looks onbnoxious. I think the Mercedes logo carries enough weight, the illumination is excessive.

Silly you. You clearly don't know you're supposed to illuminate everything so those pedestrians... and cyclists don't get in your way.

The standard grill emblem isn’t bad. I think I prefer the ornament however the grills on the newer models with the ornament I don’t think look particularly good. I miss the days of the W124, W210, and W211. The W212 is okay but never was much in love with the interior or the angular headlights. The W213 is beautiful, especially with the AMG grill. It’s up there on my list of cars to buy but the price is a bit outrageous (especially since I don’t really want the 2.0T E300). My dad had an E300 TurboDiesel back in the day- that wasn’t such an iconic car- kind of the last real Mercedes (though debatably you could say the W124 E was really the last of the great).
I don't see too many new MBZ with both emblem and hood ornament. It looks over the top. What's interesting is, that unless MBZ changed it with their recently new generations, you have the ability to remove the badge on the hood and put an OEM ornament on. I actually liked the W211 and W212. I thought the W210 was ugly. I can't speak for any of the C classes since I've never driven nor owned one long term. Models predating the modern nomenclature were beautiful, too.

One thing about the older C classes is that I've only seen two or three C sports coupes, which were refreshed in their last years. The last time I spotted one was back in 2013 or 2014 while out shopping. Either this wasn't a very popular car or they weren't made in large numbers. Or both. They do look like doorstops, so there is that one little detail to consider.

The new Mercedes just don’t carry quite the same elegance that they did in their former years. Mercedes historically seems to focus on top down engineering (Building the S class and watering it down the the C- leaving the C-Class with much to be desired). BMW seems to have gone the opposite direction working from the 3 to 7.
BMW driving dynamics go up, tech gets watered down. It's a strange system but it does make sense. The average 7 owner isn't looking to do some canyon carving when it's nice out. S watering down makes a lot of sense because it gives them a test bed. Specifically, the typical S owner is going to be much older and more capable of noticing niggles here and there. They also complain more. While there is no proof, it's often stated tech you see in an S class today will likely be available in the majority of cars 10-12 years from now.

Meanwhile I feel like the A4 has been left in the dark for ages. Talk about a fairly dated car.

Since I don't follow Audi much, we're talking about the B9, right?
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I need to make a decision on a car- X3, X60 (Maybe XC90, 5-Series (maybe 3-Series), and E-Class are all up there. Maybe the F-Pace. I’d prefer a Touareg TDI, subtle yet classy, but it’s reached its EOL and the V6 option sucks. BMW is a bit flashier than I prefer, Volvo’s reliability has ranked (my mom also had a 2015 XC70 T6 that was a lemon), and the Jaguar brand is a bit weird, a bit too flashy, and the F-Pace does is a good car, but not outstanding for its price.

I think a certain someone needs to drug you up and get you to commit. :p

My dad says he wants to replace the RRS in the next year or two. either with a Range Rover, Range Rover Sport, or Disco5 - hopefully with the TD6 now that it’s available. Or maybe a Land Cruiser if they’re still available then as he’s loved his couple LC’s. His current RRS is the 5.0 V8 HSS LUX, purchased as a demo with several thousand miles, now with like 140k! It’s actually been surprisingly reliable compared to our previous Rovers (Disco, Disco II, RR Classic, and P38 Range). He also wants a Tacoma but my “mom won’t let him” (and I don’t think money is an issue).

I'm with your mom on this one. Your dad doesn't need and will probably never use that truck for its intended purpose. It's as 'smart' as me buying a truck and driving to work and back with it. I don't do any form of manual labor (except my garden) and I don't haul anything. I mean, can you imagine hauling a Costco run in a pickup? That's silly. The Land Cruiser is a nice option, but its engine is long in the tooth. It needs something more fuel efficient and peppy. This is where I must look down on Toyota/Lexus. I can't imagine how many years Lexus spent thinking before deciding to use a twin turbo V6 in the new LS.

And now that my aunt has purchased a 2018 MDX, I think my mom feels obligated to buy a new car to replace her 2015 Allroad. Keeping up with the Joneses so to speak. I suppose she already has 86,000 miles or something crazy.

MBZ or something from the VAG family. Though the remark about the Joneses does make sense given the amount of Bentaygas popping up here and there in our general area. I think they look absolutely ugly. As in if a gopher and a guppy fish somehow mated and produced offspring, that offspring would be the ugliest animal in the kingdom and be ridiculed (deservedly) all day long.

Then again, I thought the first generation Panamara looked great.
 
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Open ordering started recently for the new for 2019 Mustang Bullitt. Starting price is surprisingly lower than I thought it would be at $47,495. I was actually thinking somewhere around $55,000 Being this is a specialty model and limited. But then again, Ford realized this specific type of car will only likely apply to those really appreciated Steve McQueen Bullitt movie. But if I was in the market for a new 2018 GT, I would spend extra money and opt for the Bullitt in black.

On 93 octane fuel, the Bullitt touts 480 HP/420 torque. Which, back in January during Barrett Jackson, Ford stated it would be “Over 475 HP”, which isn’t lacking by any means, but seemingly made it sound like it would be significantly more during press interviews, which is certainly respectable for being stock. A few added modifications could eaily add 500. But then again, I don’t think Ford wanted the Bullitt to compete heavily with GT 350 platform. Speaking of the GT 350, it’s using the same intake manifold with the Bullitt and 87MM throttle body reportedly as well.

But overall, the new Bullitt has similar 2018 GT options with a 12 inch digital display, Brembo brake package and 19 inch aluminum wheels, variable exhaust, quad tip, ect. The buyer can opt For Recaro seats, but I believe that’s not standard, for an additional purchase.

The Highland Green has a sophisticated, yet almost transformative color that looks like it could shift from dark green to black depending how you see it in the light. (Which the Bullitt is also offered in black as well.)

And it’s refreshing to see the all black mesh grill without the overly large pony emblem being planted in the middle. Hopefully I will see Bullitt in the future roaming around my city or at least at a car show in the mere future.

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I don't see too many new MBZ with both emblem and hood ornament.
I don’t think that’s ever even been an option, just something people. I think normally you either get the hood ornament or the grill emblem It doesn’t look very good.

Since I don't follow Audi much, we're talking about the B9, right?
Yes. The A4 line seems dated to me versus the competition.

I think a certain someone needs to drug you up and get you to commit. :p
There are some Parkinson’s drugs such as pramipexole that can induce impulse control disorders (gambling, risky sexual behaviors, etc). Hmmmmm....

I'm with your mom on this one. Your dad doesn't need and will probably never use that truck for its intended purpose. It's as 'smart' as me buying a truck and driving to work and back with it. I don't do any form of manual labor (except my garden) and I don't haul anything. I mean, can you imagine hauling a Costco run in a pickup? That's silly. The Land Cruiser is a nice option, but its engine is long in the tooth. It needs something more fuel efficient and peppy. This is where I must look down on Toyota/Lexus. I can't imagine how many years Lexus spent thinking before deciding to use a twin turbo V6 in the new LS

I don’t think he’d use a truck as his daily driver. Maybe just a weekend car. He does do quite a bit of work around the house, especially around their properties in RI. At this point the IS is his commuter car, the RRS is his bad weather/hauling/need to fit more than 2 people car. So a pickup would probably end up being a 3rd car. I think it’s really just a self deprivation complex. After all my parents are the kind of people to fly from Connecticut to North Carolina just to go to the Handcock and Moore factory to see furniture in person that isn’t stocked in regular retail stores.
 
One thing I really like about the current Honda CR-V is that the higher-end models sport the L15B7 turbocharged engine. That engine is obviously less affected by altitude and should run well even in Denver, CO.
 
One thing I really like about the current Honda CR-V is that the higher-end models sport the L15B7 turbocharged engine. That engine is obviously less affected by altitude and should run well even in Denver, CO.

It’s been shaping up to be a good engine (typical for Honda). I’ve got half a mind to secretly swap the turbo from my wife’s CRV into my ‘17 Civic (otherwise the same, hers has a slightly bigger turbo).
 
I'm intrigued by the new Genesis (Hyundai) G70. It's a compact luxury sport sedan that really has potential. What are the drawbacks to buying from a sparse dealer network, I wonder.
https://www.consumerreports.org/luxury-sedans/2019-genesis-g70-sedan-preview/

Ironic that you mention the G70, it just debuted at the New York auto show with in the last day. It’s based off the Kia Stinger GT platform. It has an optional 2.0 L Turbo four-cylinder with 250 2HP/265 torque (Which is offered in Manual) or 3.3 L turbocharged V6 with a potent 365 HP/376 torque only offered in automatic. I believe the drivetrain is standard with rear wheel drive, but you can opt for all wheel drive if preferred. It has an adjustable suspension correlating with the specific driving mode, but what I like most is bold mesh wire Grill. Appears it’s available summer 2018, but the real highlight aside from the sporty Exterior, is the interior is aesthetically very nice. I’m assumimg the price will be around $50,000 for a fully loaded model.

There is a Hyundai/Genesis dealer about 20 minutes north of where I live, if I see one these models on the lot, I will stop by and test drive one to experience it first hand.


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I'm intrigued by the new Genesis (Hyundai) G70. It's a compact luxury sport sedan that really has potential. What are the drawbacks to buying from a sparse dealer network, I wonder.
https://www.consumerreports.org/luxury-sedans/2019-genesis-g70-sedan-preview/

I spent some time in the G70 yesterday. Unless they plan to uncut the 3/C/A4 by a lot, I see no point. The leather felt cheap and already looked beat up. The interior was riddled with hard plastics and the back seat cushion was too low down. Not comfortable for adults.
 
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It's amazing how much tech is in a pickup these days. Heated/vented rear seats with regular AND type-c USB ports for everyone.
 

Denver, the “mile high city”. Higher altitude means less oxygen and less air pressure, making engines less efficient. I think they say you loose 3% for every 1000ft above sea level- so theoretically that’s over 15% being in Denver. I spent some time in Breckinridge which has a base altitude of 9600ft- which would theoretically mean 28.5% reduction in power. That 3% might be a inflated considering the increased level of computerized sophistication, but it is why turbocharged engines are suggested in high altitude areas.

The Rav4 has pretty abysmal acceleration (0-60 in like 8.5sec) to begin with. I was riding as a passenger in my sister’s a month ago, merging onto the highway in Denver and it really seemed to struggle getting up to speed. My sister confirmed she indeed had the pedal to the floor.
 
Denver, the “mile high city”. Higher altitude means less oxygen and less air pressure, making engines less efficient. I think they say you loose 3% for every 1000ft above sea level- so theoretically that’s over 15% being in Denver. I spent some time in Breckinridge which has a base altitude of 9600ft- which would theoretically mean 28.5% reduction in power. That 3% might be a inflated considering the increased level of computerized sophistication, but it is why turbocharged engines are suggested in high altitude areas.

The Rav4 has pretty abysmal acceleration (0-60 in like 8.5sec) to begin with. I was riding as a passenger in my sister’s a month ago, merging onto the highway in Denver and it really seemed to struggle getting up to speed. My sister confirmed she indeed had the pedal to the floor.
I know what Denver is, silly. I was wondering how it fit into the conversation since it was brought up out of the blue. That's very much the reason I recommended you point her toward the NX since it's got a turbo four, unless things have changed. It would be nice to see Lexus use a detuned and modified version of the V6 TT they use and possibly have it in FWD format or AWD for the RX. Unless they're already working on newer engines for the RX.

My experience in high altitude is pretty slim. Just some domestic areas here and overseas. I used to have a lead foot in those days. Can't say I realized how bad it was. I just had a Google comparing some of our state mountain regions where you can ski and do just about anything since they're towns, and they sit higher than Denver. I'm not sure if that's the same in reality, but as I said, I can't say I ever noticed a difference.

I like being within 800-1,500 ASL.
 
Yes. The A4 line seems dated to me versus the competition.

Isn't there a refresh coming along?

I don’t think he’d use a truck as his daily driver. Maybe just a weekend car. He does do quite a bit of work around the house, especially around their properties in RI. At this point the IS is his commuter car, the RRS is his bad weather/hauling/need to fit more than 2 people car. So a pickup would probably end up being a 3rd car. I think it’s really just a self deprivation complex. After all my parents are the kind of people to fly from Connecticut to North Carolina just to go to the Handcock and Moore factory to see furniture in person that isn’t stocked in regular retail stores.

Compact 4x4? Is your father hauling heavy machinery, tools, timber, etc.? The IS is a great car. Hopping back to the previous conversation, the IS is too small inside for four adults, IMO. There isn't much room for someone in the back when I'm in the driver's seat due to my height. I thought that trip was both amusing and charming. They seem like great people. Granted, I know two people who are similar albeit much older. If your folks turn out to be the same in the future, you should be happy. It could be a neat Netflix series.

The IS come with very strong motors and transmissions. I can see your father driving his IS well into the 200-300K mile territory. At which point he can get rid of it and get a new CPO IS or GS. No point in buying a new car if it's going to be a heavy commuter. Though a CPO Lexus tends to be higher quality than most other CPOs.

I spent some time in the G70 yesterday. Unless they plan to uncut the 3/C/A4 by a lot, I see no point. The leather felt cheap and already looked beat up. The interior was riddled with hard plastics and the back seat cushion was too low down. Not comfortable for adults.

I'm not really surprised. I know KIA/Hyundai have hired ex-BMW and Audi people, but they're trying to sell a premium product with dire materials and quality at a premium and or luxury price without actually meeting those standards set forth by the big boys.

You could say they're like the Tesla of the petrol world.
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Holy smokes, that's the first Type C ports I've seen and in a _pickup_ :D
The AC outlet caught my attention. How common are those in cars nowadays?
 
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