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The article says they're to be "replaced by two strategically positioned sedans. de Nysschen envisioned the smaller of the two serving as a BMW 3 Series fighter."

It specifically says this:

For 2019, the ATS and ATS-V coupes carry on the model nameplate until a successor arrives. Under the plan hatched by former Cadillac President Johan de Nysschen, the ATS, CTS, and XTS will disappear after 2019, replaced by two strategically positioned sedans. de Nysschen envisioned the smaller of the two serving as a BMW 3 Series fighter.

So it still looks like a net loss, i.e., ATS, CTS, XTS swapped for the two mystery sedans which still need a design, execution and [buyer] demographic, just not sure any of those are in Caddy's favor unless it's something totally new (see Austin's comment about and H or E variant).

Cadillac has been in an odd place, they try to compete in the high[er] end price/performance segment where they just don't register with the typical buyer, they come down to more mid-range, and they're ineffective vs. Japanese options.
 
Cadillac has been in an odd place, they try to compete in the high[er] end price/performance segment where they just don't register with the typical buyer, they come down to more mid-range, and they're ineffective vs. Japanese options.
It's a big GM problem in general. Cadillac is better than Acura, Buick, or Infiniti, but not as good as the Big 3 Germans or Lexus Cadillac wants to compete with. Buick (GM's Japanese fighter) is a bit worse than Acura, Infiniti and not a ton better than the economy marques anymore.
 
Even with all the restructuring with Ford, its Interesting to see how much scrutiny in the last two weeks they faced with others saying they ‘Don’t understand the market’ or they are ‘Making a big mistake by discontinuing their sedan line’, yet; Now GM makes the announcement about their own discontinuations with the ATS/CTS/XTS. (Aside from the already Slated Impala).

When Ford introduced the Ecosport, I thought it was the most awkward looking vehicle in their lineup they offered and it was baffling to me who would buy this, now seeing that they knew they were discontinuing various sedans, it makes complete sense why they were bringing in the Ecosport, alongside the offering of Escape, Explorer, ect. Especially given all the marketing behind it as of recent. But more than ever, crossovers are mainly the option until the electric side of things are more or prevalent.

I’m curious to see how the market adapts to the fading sedan market. Either the driver retains what they currently have longer than they anticipated or they migrate to the SUV/Crossover range, given who they choose for a manufacturer, assuming a crossover actually is even of any interest at all. I think there is a lot of uncertainty and confusion where this All leading, but Clearly the large sedan market is being pushed further out in the domestic market.
 
So it still looks like a net loss

Yup, Cadillac is slowly reverting back to their old "value" lineup. The first and second gen CTSs were very popular because they were as big as a 5 series and cost much less than the BMW.

CT6 is the size of a 7 series and costs as much as a 5 series.
CT5 will be 5 series sized for 3 series money.
CT3/4 (whatever they call it) will be 3 series sized for 2 series money.
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Now GM makes the announcement about their own discontinuations with the ATS/CTS/XTS. (Aside from the already Slated Impala).

These announcements have nothing to do with the midsize sedans from Ford. Cadillac is killing off the ATS/CTS because they were garbage from day 1. Overpriced. Chintzy interiors. Poor reliability. GM had years to fix the cheap looking gauges and interior trim, but never did.

The XTS was a replacement for the DTS/STS and quickly become a fleet queen.
 
Even for a 2002 model, it really is shocking to see how this vehicle still looks so updated and not prehistoric in the muscle car era. I honestly don’t even recall the last time I have even found a WS6 2002 Firebird Trans Am on the road or at car shows. I don’t expect the new Hellcat hood to look exactly like this, but similar to the flared/raise nostril Hood.

I know I’m duplicating myself, but a muscle car hood really transforms the car and gives it the _stance_ that sets itself differently from all the other Muscle cars, and this is one hood that carries it self for this model Trans Am. Timeless.

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I fear I’m going to offend here but I saw the pic of this from the thread thumbnail and in my own very personal opinion, that is one ugly looking car. I’m not a muscle car fan by any means but that really did raise my eyebrows lol. Muscle cars have an extremely small following here though and maybe we don’t get it.

I prefer the mustangs if I had to choose.
 
These announcements have nothing to do with the midsize sedans from Ford..

You’re Right, they don’t. I was simply iterating how Ford made their announcement two weeks prior and all of a sudden GM is making the announcements with the discontinuation of the following Cadillac sedan models. My post wasn’t cross-referencing any relation to both Auto manufacturers, just merely a side tangent.

Cadillac is killing off the ATS/CTS because they were garbage from day 1. Overpriced. Chintzy interiors. Poor reliability. GM had years to fix the cheap looking gauges and interior trim, but never did.

The XTS was a replacement for the DTS/STS and quickly become a fleet queen.

I don’t have any experience with the Cadillac ATS/CTS At all, I have actually never even driven a Cadillac before. But given their prices for what they charge, that’s unfortunate if the reliability is as poor as you are making it sound. Not sure what Quagmires response would be to any of this.

I fear I’m going to offend here but I saw the pic of this from the thread thumbnail and in my own very personal opinion, that is one ugly looking car. I’m not a muscle car fan by any means but that really did raise my eyebrows lol. Muscle cars have an extremely small following here though and maybe we don’t get it.

No offense taken at all. It makes sense on your thoughts. For 2002, that was a fairly menacing looking car and it was the hood that was probably offputting to some Being how large/bulging it was. So I can definitely see why you would think that, being its certainly not the appeal to everyone, especially being that you’re not into muscle cars, Thats completely understandable.

I prefer the mustangs if I had to choose.

Good choice. Myself included. (Of course, being I own one.)
 
I don’t have any experience with the Cadillac ATS/CTS At all, I have actually never even driven a Cadillac before. But given their prices for what they charge, that’s unfortunate if the reliability is as poor as you are making it sound. Not sure what Quagmires response would be to any of this.



No offense taken at all. It makes sense on your thoughts. For 2002, that was a fairly menacing looking car and it was the hood that was probably offputting to some Being how large/bulging it was. So I can definitely see why you would think that, being its certainly not the appeal to everyone, especially being that you’re not into muscle cars, Thats completely understandable.



Good choice. Myself included. (Of course, being I own one.)

The ATS/CTS is still one the best chassis today. My dad owns a 2014 ATS and it has been reliable so far( hasn't locked him inside the car yet unlike the E90 :p ). What may be bringing the reliability scores down is CUE which I have always thought to be an unfair metric for reliability. Yes CUE starting out was really crappy. Slow, laggy, etc which I think got people to mark the vehicles reliability down which I don't think should have. Yes it was a poorly designed system, but it was working as intended. It should go under customer satisfaction, not reliability in that case. Every year GM has given it better processing power and better coding to improve performance. For instance the 2014 ATS my dad has CUE is a lot faster than it was when we tested a 2013. Now it can still be a bit laggy in the pinch to zoom on the nav screen. I have yet to use a newer CUE to see the improvements. The interior isn't a bad place to be in my opinion. It's at least to the level of the E90( I have not sat in a F30, C Class, or A4 to compare).

In my families experience with the German cars( BMW's), they become money pits after 70,000 miles or so.

As for the 4th gen F-Bodies, I do find the Trans Am to be the better looking of the two.

If I was in the market for a 2019 pony car, my choice would be hard. The Camaro is still the better driving of the two. But god did the 2019 refresh get beaten by the ugly stick. I would not know which one to buy, but for looks definitely the Mustang, but how it drives still Camaro.
 
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If I was in the market for a 2019 pony car, my choice would be hard. The Camaro is still the better driving of the two. But god did the 2019 refresh get beaten by the ugly stick. I would not know which one to buy, but for looks definitely the Mustang, but how it drives still Camaro.

I have not driven the Camaro SS, So I cannot attest to how it handles in comparison. I have driven the new Mustangs and of course I own the S197 (Significant difference between the Live Axle & IRS). But to comment on the new Camaro refresh, I really Believe GM was trying _way_ too hard to make the Camaro look somewhat more relevant, if you will, when they could have made changes elsewhere or simply left some things unattended just for the ‘sake of change’. I know I mentioned approximately six or seven pages back in this thread when you posted the newest photos of the Camaro refresh, it’s just the front bumper and extension of the LED bar into the grill doesn’t look right at all. The revised tail-lamps are decent, but I still like the 2017 tail-Lamp design pattern much more.

If all my objectives aligned with driving a Camaro (Handling, accel, exhaust, braking, ect) before I purchased my Mustang, and offered in this color with that wheel set up, I would have easily made this purchase with this model photoed below. I don’t care what anyone says, there is a lot to like about the Camaro and its heritage, I just think the price might be prohibiting some from considering it and I think the Mustang has a very strong -cult like following-.

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Tell me about this car. Saw one today parked and I was drooling. How much can they up the price with extras? Saw one new advertised for $51k, auto transmission.
Does it come with a standard shift transmission? My wife is looking online and having trouble finding that option. In the used market, have found no stick shifts. A Wikipedia article says it can be ordered with a 6 speed manual transmission.

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Nissan 370Z Convertible.
Starts at $41k.​
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That color doesn't work on that car.
Canary Yellow! :)
 
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Manual may be a special order. Probably high to insure due to it being popular with bad drivers AKA young drivers. Not sure on modern Nissan reliability.
 
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So, I made a trek out to rural Indiana today to drive a Morris Minor that I found on Craigslist. I've always loved Morris Minors-they really are the quintensential British car. I feel like they are even more "British" than the Mini which was the defacto replacement(they are as good on gas, but are bigger and a bit slower). BTW, the much-maligned Austin/Morris Marina was the "real" replacement, but that's neither here nor there.

In any case, this one was a bit of an interesting case. It was a '67, which without digging too much was probably about the end of US imports(and close to the end of production). The owner had welded in new floor pans and done some other welding on the frame, so it was structurally sound(a big deal on any unibody car like this). Unfortunately, it was still in primer gray and was missing a lot of the chrome. It had also had the hood pop up while driving, so the hinges were bad and the hood needed some work. On the plus side, though, the deal also includes an older Minor of the same generation with good bumpers and some of the other missing pieces. The older one supposedly runs, although we didn't start it.

In any case, going on with the subject Minor-it's structurally sound. The interior is original and shows some wear, but is serviceable. I'd often thought that if I bought a Minor I'd put a 1275cc engine from an MG Midget in it, and the owner had already done just that(the donor Midget, which actually has a decent body, also comes with the deal). The car comes with the original A-series 1098cc, which supposedly was also running but also an amazing time capsule. Of all things, it had an original Lucas distributor cap on the distributor and green solid-core Lucas spark plug wires.

It was certainly an interesting driving car, though. First of all, it had a front disk conversion-there again that's straight off a Midget. Unfortunately, I don't know what it was but it didn't really feel like the brakes did a whole lot until almost to a stop-something was definitely off with them as the pedal would go to the floor and didn't respond to pumping. Some folks toss on disks without really thinking about the whole system, and calipers take a LOT more brake fluid than drums. Also, drums tend to self apply, so all else being equal the pedal effort is higher with disks(of course, you don't notice that now with boosted brakes, but for example pedal effort is a lot higher on an MGA 1600 with front disks than a 1500 with 4-wheel drums). You really need to use them with a master cylinder designed for disks, and I suspect it had the original type M/C.

Also, for whatever reason he'd put a heavy duty clutch in it-something a Minor doesn't need. It had the weirdest clutch I've ever driven, even compared to other Minors. The pedal sticks up out of the floor, but on this one it only had about an inch of travel and there was barely any allowance for slipping. I'm spoiled by the wonderful MG hydraulic clutches, but I suspect the linkage was out of adjustment also.

Finally, the transmissions on these are normally really "loose" feeling. The stick is fairly long, and I'd guess there's over a foot of movement on every gear change and the gates can be a bit hard to feel. 1st isn't synchronized, which means that for a reliable start it's a good idea to shift into 2nd(synchronized) before trying first. Also, the owner had rebuilt the transmission himself and claimed ownership of this issue, but it had to be held in 3rd and 4th gear or it would pop out.

All of that aside, though, it's amazing how much fun a stuffy family car designed in the 1950s can be to drive. The steering is nice and tight, and brakes aside it really is just a fun car to drive that-once you're rolling-you forget is 50 years old.

So, we'll see if a Morris Minor soon comes to the garage.
 
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So, I made a trek out to rural Indiana today to drive a Morris Minor that I found on Craigslist. I've always loved Morris Minors-they really are the quintensential British car. I feel like they are even more "British" than the Mini which was the defacto replacement(they are as good on gas, but are bigger and a bit slower). BTW, the much-maligned Austin/Morris Marina was the "real" replacement, but that's neither here nor there.

In any case, this one was a bit of an interesting case. It was a '67, which without digging too much was probably about the end of US imports(and close to the end of production). The owner had welded in new floor pans and done some other welding on the frame, so it was structurally sound(a big deal on any unibody car like this). Unfortunately, it was still in primer gray and was missing a lot of the chrome. It had also had the hood pop up while driving, so the hinges were bad and the hood needed some work. On the plus side, though, the deal also includes an older Minor of the same generation with good bumpers and some of the other missing pieces. The older one supposedly runs, although we didn't start it.

In any case, going on with the subject Minor-it's structurally sound. The interior is original and shows some wear, but is serviceable. I'd often thought that if I bought a Minor I'd put a 1275cc engine from an MG Midget in it, and the owner had already done just that(the donor Midget, which actually has a decent body, also comes with the deal). The car comes with the original A-series 1098cc, which supposedly was also running but also an amazing time capsule. Of all things, it had an original Lucas distributor cap on the distributor and green solid-core Lucas spark plug wires.

It was certainly an interesting driving car, though. First of all, it had a front disk conversion-there again that's straight off a Midget. Unfortunately, I don't know what it was but it didn't really feel like the brakes did a whole lot until almost to a stop-something was definitely off with them as the pedal would go to the floor and didn't respond to pumping. Some folks toss on disks without really thinking about the whole system, and calipers take a LOT more brake fluid than drums. Also, drums tend to self apply, so all else being equal the pedal effort is higher with disks(of course, you don't notice that now with boosted brakes, but for example pedal effort is a lot higher on an MGA 1600 with front disks than a 1500 with 4-wheel drums). You really need to use them with a master cylinder designed for disks, and I suspect it had the original type M/C.

Also, for whatever reason he'd put a heavy duty clutch in it-something a Minor doesn't need. It had the weirdest clutch I've ever driven, even compared to other Minors. The pedal sticks up out of the floor, but on this one it only had about an inch of travel and there was barely any allowance for slipping. I'm spoiled by the wonderful MG hydraulic clutches, but I suspect the linkage was out of adjustment also.

Finally, the transmissions on these are normally really "loose" feeling. The stick is fairly long, and I'd guess there's over a foot of movement on every gear change and the gates can be a bit hard to feel. 1st isn't synchronized, which means that for a reliable start it's a good idea to shift into 2nd(synchronized) before trying first. Also, the owner had rebuilt the transmission himself and claimed ownership of this issue, but it had to be held in 3rd and 4th gear or it would pop out.

All of that aside, though, it's amazing how much fun a stuffy family car designed in the 1950s can be to drive. The steering is nice and tight, and brakes aside it really is just a fun car to drive that-once you're rolling-you forget is 50 years old.

So, we'll see if a Morris Minor soon comes to the garage.
I still see the odd one here in the UK but I have to be honest and say it wouldn't be my classic car of choice.
Has to be in green when you paint it though. That's a given.
 
I mentioned other times in this thread that I detest anything with decals, stickers, Pin/racing stripes or anything of the sort on a car. A few of my performance cars in the past Have had stripes, and I immediately stripped them off, as they are nothing more than tawdry to me. (I also removed the vinyl stripes from my GT/CS).

That said, I did find one brake light ‘Coyote’ sticker from American muscle ($10.00) and I liked the way it looked in other customer pictures and it blacks out the brake light, which blends nicely with the paint scheme of the car.

I’m not experienced in applying any type of tint/decals, but I figured for $10, I would just do this myself and see how it turns out. (My GT had one decal on the deck lid before, but I removed it after I purchased the car.)

Actually, the results were excellent. An 82° Day, a squeegee, slight of amount of water and some _patience_, and it applied perfectly, with no after the fact bubbling.

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I still see the odd one here in the UK but I have to be honest and say it wouldn't be my classic car of choice.
Has to be in green when you paint it though. That's a given.

I just love the "Britishness" of them. At a glance they look like a Beetle but on the whole look a lot better :)

Plus, as I mentioned I was surprised at how well planted it felt for a family car. It's not "go cart" feeling like a Mini, but is still driveable. They're also roomier than the Mini, have the engine mounted in the correct direction and driving the correct wheels :) , and don't have the annoying engine/transmission shared sump.

They're actually somewhat obscure in the US, which also makes them-to me-an interesting car and a good conversation starter. Even though it's a lot different from a B, it's still a BMC product and a lot of the parts still say MOWOG on them. Of course, plenty also say Lucas, Smiths, and SU.

The car was originally a nice BRGish color, but of course now is a blank slate. If I buy it, aside from sorting through mechanical issues, I have been thinking about colors. I already have a green MG, so while it would look good it's not my first choice. My first thought was some sort of burgundy, but I also like the MG "Mineral Blue" that's sort of a dark blue color. Something like MGA "Tyrolite Green", which is kind of a mint color, seems like a good 50s color(even though it's a 67) might be interesting. Old English White is reserved for my MGA(whenever it ends up finished), but I also don't feel any kind of light color would suit the Minor body lines that well. That also goes for some of the "funky" 60s MG colors-I think "pale primrose" is a great color for an MGB GT, for example, but wouldn't look good on a Minor.

So, to summarize, if I DO buy it some sort of burgundy(perhaps MG "Damask Red") or MG "Mineral Blue" are the top contenders. I don't know if those are Minor factory colors, but at least they are in the BMC family.
 
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Been looking into ceramic coating the Alfa, and quite frankly i'm lost. Any suggestions/advice?

Cheers
 
So, carburetors seem to be the story of my life at times when it comes to cars.

Last summer, the MG was parked for about 6 weeks when what I thought would be a simple head job ended up with a lot of complications. After throwing away a bunch of money on custom pushrods(if anyone wants a set of super light weight, normally $16 each pushrods for a BMC B series engine that are 3/4" shorter than stock, let me know), I ended up getting it running with some brass shims under the rocker pedestals. They were made from a $15 sheet of brass from McMaster Carr and I have enough to make about 4 more sets if the need arises.

In any case, in that time my gas went bad and I ended up with a nasty mess in the carbs. I cleaned them up, but I still had some issues. SU carburetors do not have a conventional "choke plate" as do American caburetors, but instead have a mechanism that drops the carburetor jets when the knob is pulled. This richens the mixture for easier starting. Whatever junk clogged the carburetors caused the jets to seize solid in the bodies.

These carburetors have known issues with wear in the throttle shafts that can cause vacuum leaks, uneven idle, and all sorts of problems. The only proper fix is to ream out the bushings in the body and replace them. Unfortunately, this really isn't practical as a DIY job as you not only need the correct size reamer but also a jig to correctly hold the bodies and ream the bushings parallel. The go-to guy for rebuilding in the US is Joe Curto in New York City, but he runs about 3 months.

Since I didn't want the car down for that long, I called a friend and he sold me a set of carbs off his shelf. They were on an MGB manifold and had MGB linkages, but I don't think that they were actually MGB carbs(for reasons I'll get into in a minute).

In any case, I cleaned them up, but when I stuck them on the car one of them leaked like a sieve at the bottom of the float bowl. Some diagnostics led me to a rubber seal that was missing, and unfortunately it's a weird enough part that I actually needed to get it from a supplier and not improvise(even though I tried). I called Joe Curto, and in addition to ordering the parts decided to go ahead with a "light rebuild." I bought a gasket kit, needles, seats, floats, and throttle disks. The last are a different story-basically the carbs had poppet valves in the throttles for emissions reasons, and the poppet valves cause problems. It's best just to replace them with solid disks.

In any case, I got the second set cleaned up, put together, installed, tuned, and the car ran more or less okay. The problem was that the my car(and distributor) were set up for ported vacuum advance. See the discussion a few pages back about ignition timing-the vacuum advance is used to adjust for load. Small engines like this really work best with ported advance(vacuum drawn from just in front of the throttle plate) but they switched to manifold advance for emissions reasons in '72 or so.

Without vacuum advance, both acceleration and fuel economy suffer. Finally, a couple of weeks ago, after talking to the guy who built the distributor, I connected the vac advance to a manifold vacuum source. It added an easy 5mpg on the interstate, but came at the cost of a poor idle.

In the mean time, I've still been sitting on the old carbs that do need to be sent off for a rebuild.

With that said, when I was searching for a manifold advance nipple, I remembered the box of carbs in my pantry(yes, I'm a bachelor). I found the nipple I needed on a spare manifold, but also found this

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This carb is pretty well junk, but it has a nipple for ported advance. So, I decided to clean it and just transplant other parts onto the body. Of note, though, is the fact that this also has a solid throttle disk.

So, I pulled it apart. The body is pretty junky looking, but is functional and can be made to look better

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I degreased everything, which I didn't show but basically I boiled it in methylene chloride and worked into the cracks and crevices with an acid brush.

Then, it was on to my "magic" derusting solution. This is basically hot acetic acid and EDTA, and does a good job of removing rust fairly quickly while leaving good metal intact.

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After that, I went through a few washes of a little bit of bicarb in water to get rid of any remaining acid. Then, I boiled in IPA for a final degreasing and to "chase" water out of any cracks and crevices.

This left me with a clean but dull looking carb body

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I oven dried everything overnight.

Then, it was time to wire brush everything to try and get it shiny. I'm still not happy with the body, so I'll probably tumble it in walnut and see what that does.

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At this point, though, I had a bit more work to do. The base where they meet with the manifold gasket(or really the phenolic spacer and heat shield) is typically not flat, and it can introduce vacuum leaks.

So, it's time to start sanding. First of all, I took a sharpie and colored the base of the carb. This serves as a way to monitor the sanding progress and see when "low spots" remain.

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When I'm trying to get a flat surface, I put the sandpaper on a sheet of glass. Also, I ALWAYS sand metal wet. This gets really important with aluminum as the paper will quickly gall if dry whereas the fluid(whether oil or water) will keep the mixture of metal and abrasive in suspension. I normally prefer oil for a nicer looking finish, but oil can clean the sharpie off so kind of defeats the purpose of it.

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Some work with 50 grit left me with the surface MOSTLY flat, but you can still see a bit of blue sharpie.

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A bit more work left me with a nice, flat surface

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Then, it was time to move on to a finer grit-100 grit

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In many other contexts, I could take you through an exhausting progression of grit progressions up to 3000 or so and then probably something like friable aluminum oxide slurry until I had a mirror polish on the surface. Truthfully, that's the sort of thing I can get carried away on, but I have to keep myself in check here. Since this is a surface that will be sealed by a rubber gasket, it's actually desirable to have a bit of "bite" on it. So, I'll keep things in check and stop it here.

The next step will be reassembly of the body with the throttle and choke linkage. I'll then have to transplant the float bowl, jet, needle, and piston from the current rear carb onto this body. That's MOSTLY just a matter of bolting things together, although there is a bit of work involved in centering the jet. The carbs currently on the car have what are called "biased" metering needles, which means that they are spring loaded to one side. Guys searching for all out performance discard biased needles since they lead to wear on the jet/needle, don't move as freely, and don't atomize gas as efficiently as a truly centered needle. The first is a concern on a street car over 50,000+ miles(although it's not as bad as it would intuitively seem since the gasoline acts as a lubricant), but considering that needles are $5 and jets $20, it's not a huge expense. The latter two are mostly academic concerns and are WAY down on the list of things that hamper performance in this sort of set-up-it's one of those things you tackle when everything else is right. For street use, I'm happy to only have to deal with jet centering in a gross sense and not in the fiddly way that you have to with unbiased needles.

So, that concludes adventures in SU carburetors for this evening. Conveniently enough, I have some engine "bling" on the way that I really bought to hopefully solve a pesky oil leak, but the carburetors have to come off to install it. I'll post about installing that(it's going to involve some home engineering with a catchcan and the crankcase ventilation system) when it arrives.
 
Was out for a brisk run this afternoon along side the frontage road, just outside the main highway in my city and I could hear from a distance an array of loud cars approaching me from the south, [I’m assuming what was leading to a car show/meet N’Greet somewhere I was not aware of], but I literally was at a dead stop just mesmerized by the glorious sounds and sights of the following:

A Blue 69 Mustang fastback, blue 2013/2014 Shelby GT500, blue Ford GT, (Coincidence that three blue Fords were leading the pack?) A slough of Corvettes {Of all years}, newer Camaro SS’ and older model Z28’s, A white Porsche (Might have been a 911), Retro Challenger RT, and many more cars.

Personally, I have been to _Many_car shows and it’s always fun to look at them, but to see them actually driving in a pack and hearing all the various engine/exhaust Notes, is even more exhilarating sometimes then just staring at a parked car. Just Awesomeness. But also left me wondering all day where their destination was ultimately.
 
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