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I’m not sure if I buy into this ‘four-door Mustang’ concept that has been rumored in the recent weeks. Especially being that Ford is eliminating most of their sedans, and then the possibility of having a four-door Mustang? Maybe with a turbo charged 5L V8 speculated? Regardless, the whole idea could easily be a publicity stunt, or, Ford actually is the process of manufacturing a four door V8 to compete with the likes of Audi, BMW, Mercerdes, Porsche. But with the recent discontinuation of the sedans, Ford is saving billions by not redesigning/revamping their sedan line up, at least for the time being.

Being a SHO owner, I’m definitely passionate having a larger AWD four-door sedan, and the 3.5 eco-boost TwinTurbo doesn’t disappoint at any moment, but if Ford were to make a four-door Mustang or another sedan based off the Mustang chassis with a (turbo charged) 5L V8, _that_ is something I would put a deposit down on day one. Does the market need a ‘Mustang’ four door sedan? Probably not, given the electric era taking over and with cross-overs being predominant, but I gather there still is a niche demographic who would be interested in this, but the question is, at what price point.
Honestly, a four door Mustang makes even more sense if they're killing the rest of their sedans
 
Honestly, a four door Mustang makes even more sense if they're killing the rest of their sedans

It makes sense as long as you accept Ford's decision to kill off it's sedans. I don't.

The Mustang has always been a coupe...why dilute the image with a sedan? The Taurus SHO has already carved out a decent reputation as Ford's "sports sedan"...why kill it if there is a market for that?

But this discussion does foreshadow what could happen to the Mustang once it becomes Ford's only car..."hey, let's give it four doors"..."hey, let's give it AWD"...."hey, it needs to be bigger"...."hey, we can build it on a platform shared with some crossover, nobody will notice"..."hey, we can slap a Mustang badge on ANYTHING".
 
Yeah, I can't really see Ford putting out a MBZ/BMW/Porsche fighter. One, it would cost a tidy sum that's higher than their most expensive normal car offering. Two, why, what would be the point? You really have to go above and beyond what the Germans offer for a lesser price to compete.

And even if you get close, no ones going to suddenly change their minds on what they wanted in the first place save for a few. The Stinger GT was a decent swing at the Germans, and that's because Kia sniped a bunch of Germans. It isn't just about looks, speed, quality of workmanship or engineering. German car dealerships treat potential customers with respect. Provided you aren't dressed like a slob. You could be a wealthy Saudi prince and ask to drive a Corvette and get turned down because it's too exclusive to be test driven. Fair enough, some people are sensitive about there being near zero miles on their Corvette. And the dealership may find all their sales people cut up in the back storage room to boot.


That rant aside, it won't work if they stylize a 4 door Mustang. I'm recalling the creature that is the AMG GT Sedan. First gens are always in the forever teething stage. The Panamera is now a serious looker while it was that ugly one eyed alien-child during its first run. And while it shares traits from other Porsche models, it's fairly unique in execution. And, at the end of the day, as big of a fan I am of the three spoke star, I'd rather buy the Porsche or S7.

Mark my words when BMW comes out with an 8 series Gran Coupe.
 
That rant aside, it won't work if they stylize a 4 door Mustang. I'm recalling the creature that is the AMG GT Sedan. First gens are always in the forever teething stage. The Panamera is now a serious looker while it was that ugly one eyed alien-child during its first run. And while it shares traits from other Porsche models, it's fairly unique in execution. And, at the end of the day, as big of a fan I am of the three spoke star, I'd rather buy the Porsche or S7.

Styling is subjective, so there is no right or wrong. However, in my opinion, Porsche sold their souls the day they decided to make all of their models look like distorted mutant siblings of the 911.

The 914, 924, 944 and 928 all had a distinctive style, love them or hate them...the 959, Carerra GT and 918 are sports cars and thus can be said to be part of a broader sports car family with the 911 - so their collective resemblance is excusable (oh, and they are genuinely attractive...especially that lovely 959!).

But (and I know I'm going to ruffle some feathers here) the Cayenne and Panamera are luxo-barges for flabby fat-cats. They might go fast and handle well, but we all know they exist as a status symbol and comfortable "outta my way, little man" chariot first, and driving machine very much second.

Porsche make money by selling that stuff, but SUVs and sedans are not the essence of Porsche. Yet...
 
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Styling is subjective, so there is no right or wrong. However, in my opinion, Porsche sold their souls the day they decided to make all of their models look like distorted mutant siblings of the 911.

The 914, 924, 944 and 928 all had a distinctive style, love them or hate them...the 959, Carerra GT and 918 are sports cars and thus can be said to be part of a broader sports car family with the 911 - so their collective resemblance is excusable (oh, and they are genuinely attractive...especially that lovely 959!).

But (and I know I'm going to ruffle some feathers here) the Cayenne and Panamera are luxo-barges for flabby fat-cats. They might go fast and handle well, but we all know they exist as a status symbol and comfortable "outta my way, little man" chariot first, and driving machine very much second.

Porsche make money by selling that stuff, but SUVs and sedans are not the essence of Porsche. Yet...
What Porsche did isn't inherently a bad idea. Unity is better than vastly various model designs. People complain about Mercedes or BMW, but if you go back even a mere 30 years ago, there's always been a considerable amount of unity between the models with certain telltale signs to figure out which one you were looking at. The 914 doesn't really count since it was a joint VW and Porsche effort, and a large chunk of those sold stateside were powered by the VW powerplant sold as a Porsche. There is or was a decent documentary on the 914 on YouTube a long time ago. 928 to 944 was an evolutionary design and upgrade. So let's go with the 928 here.

The 959, GT and the 918 are limited production vehicles and can't be thrown into the mix because they aren't available to the masses. The 911 is. The Cayenne is. As are the Boxster and Cayman. I forget the statistical figure AU shared once, but most high end 911 model owners own a Cayenne, specifically GT3 owners, who use it to tow their GT3 around to the track and back.

No one thought SUVs would be the essence of any auto manufacturer, but here we are. As long as they sell in higher numbers than sedans or coupes, and manage to make the auto manufacturer enough money to work on regular cars, then so be it.

Your post is akin to saying a modern Lamborghini isn't quite a Lamborghini because its essence has been tainted by a blend of VW and Audi parts within. 20 years ago we collectively mocked companies that did that. Now it's plain old smart to do it.

The concept of a unified design language is great when done well. Toyota/Lexus still have a lot to learn. Nothing says ugly like watching a car coming down the road as if it had a stroke and its front end was paralyzed like a half dead goldfish.

FWIW, Turbochargers were never meant to be in a 911 apart from the Turbo, and was not the essence of a 911, but here we are. Porsche is going to be committed to running up as much profit as they can and still deliver a 911. Porsche stopping the 911 is akin to Ford stopping the Mustang or for Chevy, the Corvette. It isn't going to happen as long as other things are being bought.

You should encourage everyone to buy a Cayenne if they can afford it. It keeps passionate individuals happy to see their favorite model live until their last day on earth.
 
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Your post is akin to saying a modern Lamborghini isn't quite a Lamborghini because its essence has been tainted by a blend of VW and Audi parts within. 20 years ago we collectively mocked companies that did that. Now it's plain old smart to do it.

The concept of a unified design language is great when done well. Toyota/Lexus still have a lot to learn. Nothing says ugly like watching a car coming down the road as if it had a stroke and its front end was paralyzed like a half dead goldfish.

FWIW, Turbochargers were never meant to be in a 911 apart from the Turbo, and was not the essence of a 911, but here we are. Porsche is going to be committed to running up as much profit as they can and still deliver a 911. Porsche stopping the 911 is akin to Ford stopping the Mustang or for Chevy, the Corvette. It isn't going to happen as long as other things are being bought.

You should encourage everyone to buy a Cayenne if they can afford it. It keeps passionate individuals happy to see their favorite model live until their last day on earth.

I agree with most of what you say - my post was part rant, part opinion, part serious comment.

If you look back 30 years or further, automobiles existed in a wonderful variety of shapes and sizes. Everyone had their own line of engines, stylists, design philosophies...different carmakers occasionally shared some of those between them, but brands truly were individual experiences. Today, on the other hand, platform sharing and safety regulation have made automobiles much more similar to each other. They are all taking on the same eggy (safe, strong, aerodynamic) shape, are powered by similar engines, and platform-sharing is being taken to new levels. The process of consolidation that began at the start of the 20th century continues. There is less variation in automobiles with each passing year.

There is a balance to be struck. I am not an absolutist demanding that cars never change. A mid-engine Corvette is probably long overdue, for example. I have been in an accident in which I would surely have been killed had I been driving a car build before the 1990s. I also have no argument with making engines cleaner (engineers have done a pretty good job on that - apart from the VW diesel fiasco) or the advent of the electric car. So shared design languages, shared platforms, and profitable SUVs are part of the landscape now, and I accept that. But I think most manufacturers could do a better job of making their lineups more varied.

So yeah, I agree with you that Cayennes probably make 911s possible these days, just as F-150s make Mustangs possible. But the minute Porsche starts messing with the 911, or Ford with the Mustang, your argument flies out the window and the buying public are the big losers. Let's hope that doesn't happen.

I speak from the perspective of someone who just bought a Fiesta ST - the best value in performance motoring (for a new car anyway)...a car Ford just killed. I don't buy any of the arguments they used to justify its demise, which is why I am skeptical about arguments favoring the growth of the SUV/crossover. I'm being told I don't want a $25k Fiesta ST, I want a $40k+ Ford Edge ST. Sorry Ford, absolutely not.
 
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Oddly, I’ve owned six 911 variants now, but I’ve haven’t owned any other model. Looked hard at the Macan GTS and Turbo, but thought it was too small and ended up with an SQ5. The panamera is almost a non-starter with the 2+2 set up. And the cayenne is just a little piggy to be considered sporty. I’d rather have a RR SVR to go fast in a straight line.
 
I lusted after this as a child!

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Ford powertrain engineer in our secret side forum: "There's no 4-door Mustang in the works ..."

Next.

I would not expect there to be...at least in the short term. But years from now, after another cycle of platform introductions, model line changes, economic recession, shift in tastes... the Mustang's role in the eyes of the Ford suits could very much change. I think the probability is against it, but the Mustang is not the essence of Ford.
 
I lusted after this as a child!

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I would not expect there to be...at least in the short term. But years from now, after another cycle of platform introductions, model line changes, economic recession, shift in tastes... the Mustang's role in the eyes of the Ford suits could very much change. I think the probability is against it, but the Mustang is not the essence of Ford.

There's __something__ in the works, but my secret blood pact prevents me from disclosing :D
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[...] the Mustang is not the essence of Ford.

You shut your dirty mouth!

:D
 
Honestly, a four door Mustang makes even more sense if they're killing the rest of their sedans

And I’m not against having another four-door sedan/Mustang or whatever Ford releases in the future. The Reality is, even with the recent discontinuation of their current sedan line up, doesn’t mean that they won’t release another four-door sedan in the future either. However, That’s not what piques my interest, what power-plant does though. And I don’t forsee the eco-boost being part of this unspecified four-door sedan. I’m hoping for something along side the lines of a 5L Turbo-V8. My vision is similar to what the SHO is currently, but instead of the 3.5 eco-boost, drop in a turbo charged charge coyote, now, that would be something I would highly interested in.

Amid all this electric talk (Which, I gather this where Ford is leading), I have hopes for Ford to keep the V8 alive in the car segment (Other than the GT). I do think if they release another V-8 sedan, it’s to compete against the more luxury brands with BMW/Mercedes/Audi, ect.

Personally, I’m not sure what my next primary vehicle will be, I’m still debating between something electric (With Performance/Higher Trim), yet, I still want something naturally aspirated, [Or both] and I am slightly partial to Ford, being how many performance cars I have owned from them over the years.
 
I want to sell my 1982 Fiat Spider 2000. Besides local ads, a recommendation for a national publication or internet site to accomplish this? I'm also trying to determine a reasonable value for this vehicle. It runs well, the body is in good shape, top is in excellent shape, it's got a little under 50k miles on it.

Suggestions appreciated. I see https://classiccars.com/sell-my-car wants a one time $99 fee. A good deal?

I've got my 1982 Fiat Spider up for sale, see this post in the macrumors marketplace: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1982-fiat-spider-2000-for-sale.2155570/
 
Google maps satellite view or whatever it’s called?
I was looking through the app's settings options and couldn't find it. I had to tap the double diamond icon on the top right of the map screen to get the view options and got it. Thanks.

EDIT: The satellite overlay is useless on a small phone for in car nav. Too hard to see.
 
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I've got my 1982 Fiat Spider up for sale, see this post in the macrumors marketplace: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1982-fiat-spider-2000-for-sale.2155570/

Good luck with the sale. From a quick glance at your pictures, I’m assuming that is a car seat cover on the passenger seat, just curious why a cover (I.e Rips, fading, tears) is on the passenger seat versus not adding one on the drivers seat?

46,000 original miles is impressive for a 1982, and it looks good with the re-paint and tires look to be in decent shape.
 
Huntn was a hitman prior to retiring. He'd finish off his intended victims for his clients in the passenger seat and throw away the covers. It's a force of habit or so he says. This post is also a complete fabrication.
 
Huntn was a hitman prior to retiring. He'd finish off his intended victims for his clients in the passenger seat and throw away the covers. It's a force of habit or so he says. This post is also a complete fabrication.
I’m afraid of what I maybe inadvertently revealing, but this post in isolation is rather bizarre. Can you explain it to me? Oh, lol, just found the post you were referencing. :p

Good luck with the sale. From a quick glance at your pictures, I’m assuming that is a car seat cover on the passenger seat, just curious why a cover (I.e Rips, fading, tears) is on the passenger seat versus not adding one on the drivers seat?

46,000 original miles is impressive for a 1982, and it looks good with the re-paint and tires look to be in decent shape.

Well, the seat covers which have been on the car for a couple decades to reduce wear and tear on the leather seats, need to be replaced (the covers), and I pulled back the driver’s side seat cover to reveal the actual condition of the leather seat itself. :)
 
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