Essentially. It's like Fast and the Furious without engine upgrades. And there's nothing wrong with rice, but if it makes the car look worse, it's not worth it.
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A convertible GT500 (2013-14 5.8L models) is still very high on the list for my next ride. It pushes most of the subjective/emotional buttons for me, and has the practical consideration of seating 4 (well, we only need it for 3).
I hear what you're saying though, I occasionally still think about something like a GT-R, or even a performance sedan. We'll see
That's a hysterical retcon on the term ricer! Did you come up with that? If so, bravo
I didn't. I believe it's a backronym.That's a hysterical retcon on the term ricer! Did you come up with that? If so, bravo
My WRX is stock and I'm keeping it that way. Very rarely do aftermarket modifications do anything to improve the appearance of cars IMO. And while some performance mods would be nice, I won't sacrifice reliability and the warranty for a few more horsepower.
I agree. my extent on Appearence mods will be LED or OEM foglights. LED DRLs, and euro spec tail lights. All of which (besides the tail lights) would be more like safety upgrades. The euro-spec tail lights would be personal preference to give me amber turn signals I may or may not make the car look any better but IMO amber turn signals just look better. I may eventually get some aftermarket hubcaps just to make the appearance better. If i can pick up some OEM alloy wheels the in my opnion look better than any aftermarket ones.
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What do you think of the 2008-2012 Chevy Malibu? Just curious......
Anyway, Saturn's problem was in house fighting. Saturn was actually doing well. It gained a loyal following, it attracted the crowd GM actually set out to attract, and its dealer experience was a lot better than GM's other brands. GM's legacy brands didn't like that the newest member in the block was getting the attention from corporate. They succeeded in their crying and Saturn was starved of product. They never expanded past the S-series cars until 2002 when they finally introduced the Vue and L-Series. But of course Saturn wasn't given the budget to actually make them decent cars due to the infighting. The Vue became respectable though when it gained the Honda 3.5L V6 in a deal with GM where Honda gave GM the V6 in turn GM would give Honda diesel engines for Europe.
This expansion and poor budget which lead to poor product was too late to keep Saturn from growing more. And when it came time to shut down brands, Saturn was among them along with Pontiac, Hummer, and Saab.
Saturn was a success for GM, but they dropped the ball big time.
I was under the impression that Saturn, Saab, Hummer and Pontiac weren't selling so that was why they got rid of them.... Just like Oldsmobile in 2004.
Can correct me if i am wrong but Saab wasnt even a GM car just like Subaru isn't.....
As far as the Malibu..... I have nothing to say on those. Never owned one the new ones look too much like the camaro from the ass then again so do Corvettes, GM's brilliant Idea to give new corvettes, Malibus and Camaros square taillights surly makes things confusing. They already killed the Corvette when they did away with the flip up headlights. All i know is that i did read that at somepoint during the years you asked the Malibu was based off or built by Daewoo not sure which.
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Hummer sold well, but with rising gas prices, becoming the poster child of waste, etc didn't exactly spell a good future for Hummer. GM tried to sell Hummer to a Chinese company, but China didn't want the baggage that came with Hummer and blocked the sale.
Saab was dying no matter what. All GM's purchase did was delay the inevitable. But GM never got Saab and what created their loyal following so they were able to revitalize it. The Saab 9-3 was based on GM's Epsilon platform( Malibu, Pontiac G6, my Saturn Aura, Opel Vectra), the 9-7x was on the GMT-360 platform( Trailblazer, Envoy), the 9-4x was going to be on Theta-Epsilon( current Cadillac SRX), and the new 9-5 was on GM's Epsilon II platform.
You're thinking of the Chevy Aveo which was based off a Daewoo car.
PS: Interesting fact about the Epsilon platform and goes to show how GM was mismanaged and had a ton of waste within its corporate structure at the time. There were three versions of the Epsilon platform. There was the North American version, European version, and Saab version. NA, Europe, and Saab could not work together when developing the platform and they all branched into three versions and they had to be built in their own respective plants. My Aura could only be made in Fairfax, Kansas. It could not have been built in Sweden along side its technical platform mate the 9-3 or in Germany along the Vectra. The 9-3 could not be built in the US or Germany, and the same with the Vectra.
Not going there with the flip up headlights debate. I bet you think the Corvette got double killed when they ditched the round taillights..... And you'll probably think it will get triple killed when/if it goes mid-engine for the C8. The flip up headlights were cool only when they were down, sucked when they were up.
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From what i have seen. Saab was plagued with engine and Dash fires. No, I am not thinking of the Aveo and that isn't the only Daewoo. The Chevrolet Sonic, Spark, Cruze, Caprice PPV, the Saturn Sky, and the 2010+ Buick Lacrosse as well as the Acura Legend and Suzuki Forenza are all Daewoo's
The Caprice PPV is a Holden Statesman. 100% engineered and designed in Australia based off the Zeta platform( 5th gen Camaro, Pontiac G8, and Chevy SS sedan also ride on this platform).
The Sky and Solstice rode on the Kappa platform. It may have been sold as a Daewoo in South Korea, but it was 100% engineered here in the US.
The LaCrosse was developed here in the US and China on GM's Epsilon II platform.
The Sonic and Spark was developed by GM North America and GM Korea( remember Daewoo doesn't exist anymore, GM killed the brand and sells them as Chevy's) based off the Gamma II platform.
The Aveo was the only strictly legacy Daewoo product GM sold here in the states as a Chevy.
not entirely true. the suzuki forenza is a daewoo lacetti made to replaced the Daewoo Leganza it was sold in the US as a Suzuki Forenza/Veronica here it is:
Also the Daewoo Lanos was the 2002 COTY
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I never mentioned Suzuki because Suzuki is not GM. They had a partnership with Suzuki, but GM never owned them.
It's hard to argue that the LaCrosse is a Daewood product when it's built on a GM/Opel platform and the North American versions are made in Kansas. It just happens to be made in the old Daewoo plant and sold as the Alpheon in Korea for the Korean market.
If you want to argue this, I'll happily take photos of the manufacture badges on my mom's 2014 LaCrosse.
If you want to argue this, I'll happily take photos of the manufacture badges on my mom's 2014 LaCrosse.
Just because it says it's a Chevy or a Pontiac has little means. as that list proved cars are badged based on the market the base product is the same. The chevy cruze my be badged as a chevy or holden but it is still a Daewoo product. Just like the Spark
How can you call it a Daewoo if it wasn't even based on a Daewoo platform(rather, it's the other way around) and the car was built in Kansas?
Just because it wasn't built in Korea doesn't mean it isnt a Daewoo. A Honda is still a Japaneese car even though american models are built in America
The only relationship the car has to Daewoo is that GM decided to build it in Korea and sell it as one after it was successful in America and Germany.
It's a GM/Opel platform and GM makes a small subset of production in Korea...starting after they'd made it in the US and Europe for several years.
Again, it's an American design built in America by an American company...it ain't no Daewoo.
It's a GM/Opel platform and GM makes a small subset of production in Korea...starting after they'd made it in the US and Europe for several years.
Again, it's an American design built in America by an American company...it ain't no Daewoo.
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Stated right here:
Daewoo-based models
Lacetti Premiere J300 (2008–present)
from this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Daewoo_models#Daewoo-based_models
The Lacetti or Suzuki Forenza is also a DAEWOO as it was msnufactured IN Korea so you can't argue that one
From your own link
The Cruze is a compact, not a mid-size like the LaCrosse. In fact, the Buick LaCrosse and related models(Impala, Caddy XTS, Opel Insignia, etc) aren't listed anywhere on your own provided evidence.
I'm always amused when someone provides a source that proves their point incorrect.
And, on that note, I'll bow out for the next few minutes. I have a horse race to watch.
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The Suzuki Forenza/Reno, Chevrolet Spark, Sonic ARE DAEWOOS so it makes a above post untrue.
The Suzuki Forenza/Reno ARE/IS/WERE A Daewoo Lacetti.
The Chevrolet Spark IS a Daewoo Matiz
The Chevrolet Aveo/Sonic IS a Daewoo Kalos.
The Suzuki Verona IS Daewoo Magnus (also sold as a Chevrolet Epica in Canada)
all of these cars cannot be argued.
Well, looks like we have the first Triple Crown winner in 37 years, so I'll resume discussing
Again, you made a specific statement about the Buick Lacross and that's what I'm arguing about.
Again, you made a specific statement about the Buick Lacross and that's what I'm arguing about.
I talked to American Pharoah, he said shut up about Daewoo. That's coming from the horse's mouth.
Seriously, with all the good stuff coming from Korean carmakers, it's an insult we're discussing the long dead, long bad Daewoo marque.
back in 2009 when i was reading Daewoo history id DID list the aphleon under the Daewoo-based category