The Car Thread ... !

[quagmire]

ALL cars go up in value, for instance the 1957 Chevrolet Bel Air was $2,000 brand new, Today it's worth around $10,000
Another example with the DeLorean is these cars were junk. The sound system sucked, the roof and windows leak, they are plagued with several mechanical failures yet STILL got for $26k OR if you have one built for you, They cost more than a Cadillac Exclade (86k vs 84k).

That's because car collectors want that '57 Bel Air because it is a classic vehicle. There is demand for them. That $2000 was 1957 money. That's $17K in todays money( still a pretty good price considering that gets you a compact car today).

There is no demand for your Daewoo that will drive its price up.

You are the person that doesn't understand how the automotive world works. My Saturn Aura's value is only going to go down. There is no one clamoring for the vehicle. It's a good car, but certainly not a classic or timepiece such as a '57 Bel Air or a 1969 Camaro, etc.

 

[A.Goldberg]

ALL cars go up in value, for instance the 1957 Chevrolet Bel Air was $2,000 brand new, Today it's worth around $10,000
Another example with the DeLorean is these cars were junk. The sound system sucked, the roof and windows leak, they are plagued with several mechanical failures yet STILL got for $26k OR if you have one built for you, They cost more than a Cadillac Exclade (86k vs 84k).

Like anything antique, Once a car hits the antique or collector status they go up in value because of their age.

Another example, The 1988 LeBaron I looked at is being sold for $995 but I could buy it and turn around and sell it for $1,600-$6,500.

That's called inflation. $2,000 in 1957 was $17,000 equating for inflation. You could easily buy a house for $10,000 in 1957 money. Yes, it's worth money because it's a collectors car relative to most other cars, but it's still worth less than it was originally purchased for.

I can think of ONE "mainstream" used car in the U.S. That has appreciated in value in a short amount of time. The Land Rover Defender 90. It was imported in 1994, 1995 and 1997. They cost ~$30k new. Since they are so rare, their prices despite age and high mileage can still be $40,000-50,000 (maybe up to 70 with low miles). Their prices have been in the 40-50 range for at least a decade. The 110" long wheel base you could get in 1993 and they imported a handful. They're usually listed anywhere from 90,000 to 110,000.

A Daewoo is by no means iconic and may one day will be worth more money (because none will exist) relative to today- but that will be decades if at all. Considering you have issues getting parts for it now, good luck 30 years from now (esp. Given your reliability record). Michael Scott in The Office drives a Chrysler Seebring, it doesn't mean it's iconic.

There is really nothing particularly interesting about a Lanos. It's not stylish, it's not luxurious, its not powerful, it's not revolutionary. It's place in automotive history is really insignificant. It's a 4cyl FWD shottily built economy car that no one wanted in 2001.

Don't get me wrong, I love your enthusiasm. I completely understand the passion and your open to your opinion. In terms of the general public though, the Lanos isn't something that will be remembered- like a DeLoreon, MG's, Austin Healies, Triumph TR6, Jaguar XK or XJ, Range Rover Classics, Land Rovers Series 1-3/Defender, Corvette, Mercedes SL, 1980's BMW 3-Series, Jeep Wrangler or Wagoneer, Toyota Land Cruiser, etc etc

You'd be dreaming if you think you're getting $2100 for a car that needs ~$1000+ in work. You'd get $1000 if you're lucky. You'd be delirious to think ANYONE would buy a Chrysler LeBaron for $6500. What people advertise and what cars actually sell for are two very different numbers. I don't think $1000 is even a good price considering the age, mileage, and intrinsic value.

 

[Alphazoid]

Anyone have any experience with the Lexus IS 250? 2.5 V6 engine. Is it reliable and fun to drive? Also how thirsty is it?

 

[quagmire]

Anyone have any experience with the Lexus IS 250? 2.5 V6 engine. Is it reliable and fun to drive? Also how thirsty is it?

Is it reliable? Yeah it is a Lexus, haven't read many major issues with it. Are you talking about the latest IS250? Then yeah it is fun to drive. It's chassis is among the best for a drivers car( along with the Cadillac ATS and 3 series). But seriously go up to the IS350 if you're dead set on the IS. The 2.5 V6 is an extremely old engine and its power output is pathetic for a V6 these days. It's fuel economy rating is 21/30( same as the ATS 2.0T interestingly enough), so it isn't that thirsty( 328i is 23/35). But I would step up to the 3.5 V6 in the IS350.

 

[AustinIllini]

Anyone have any experience with the Lexus IS 250? 2.5 V6 engine. Is it reliable and fun to drive? Also how thirsty is it?

I echo Quagmire's sentiment. It's reliable and (the new ones, NOT the old ones) reasonably fun to drive. If you have the money, go with the IS 350, because that 250 with a 200 hp V6 is pretty sluggish. I mean, it's small, so you can move (My TSX is similar. 200 hp is more than enough in any driving condition), but the V6 in the 250 is underwhelming.

 

[AustinIllini]

That's because car collectors want that '57 Bel Air because it is a classic vehicle. There is demand for them. That $2000 was 1957 money. That's $17K in todays money( still a pretty good price considering that gets you a compact car today).

There is no demand for your Daewoo that will drive its price up.

You are the person that doesn't understand how the automotive world works. My Saturn Aura's value is only going to go down. There is no one clamoring for the vehicle. It's a good car, but certainly not a classic or timepiece such as a '57 Bel Air or a 1969 Camaro, etc.

I can't believe this is a discussion. What happened to this thread?

 

[rdowns]

I can't believe this is a discussion. What happened to this thread?

It got Daewooed.

 

[MatthewLTL]

Just like anything else, cars are subject to the ebb and flow of the market.

From what I've seen(and I've followed it) prices are down on '57 Chevys and even '60s Muscle Cars(where a lot of the action was a few years ago) have taken a hit. BTW, the value of a '57 Bel Air is still pretty dependent on body type. 4 door Sedans have always had the lowest value, and convertibles have the highest. My dad and I looked into buying one several years back as a project for he and I to work on together. We looked at several, and one that stands out was a running and driveable(but with a crummy interior and body) 4-door that was $5000. We looked at a couple of non-running ones with bad floor pans and other body issues that were in the 2-3K range. Of course, a well restored Bel Air convertible is still a $40K car all day, but that's down from $50K a few years back.

Again, though, the '57 Bel Air is something of a special case. They were made in huge numbers, but even non car people can recognize them from a mile away. '56 and '58 Bel Airs also have a unique body style, but don't stand out as much as the big white V on the tail fins of a '57. Consequently, a well restored or good condition original '56 or '58 will still bring a decent price, but they're a big notch down from a '57.

Deloreans have their problems. I don't think you can criticize the sound system since all cars had crappy sound systems in the early 1980s. Window leaks and the like were also a common problem. Many of the mechanical issues were thanks to the early 1980s fuel injection-again something that was not uncommon(the Bosch injection on my dad's 1980 Porsche was an absolute nightmare). Still, the combo of gullwing doors and a stainless body makes them instantly recognizable-again part of the recipe for an "iconic" car.

We can talk again in 20 years, but I don't see a Lanos checking any of the "iconic" boxes that the '57 Bel Air or the Delorean do.

Do correct me if I am wrong, BUT ALL 50's era cars look the same. The 1957 Plymouth used in the movie "Christine" looks identical in body style and appearence as a 57 bel air and other sedans of the 50's. I have seen plenty of them throughout the years.

No, not all cars go up in value. Only certain cars that have an appeal to them.

The Bel Air is a classic car and an icon of an era. The DeLorean is a rare, exotic car with unique features such as a stainless steel body and gull wing doors, not to mention it's one of the most famous movie cars ever. Your Daewoo is a cheap economy car. It has no redeeming qualities. It has no appeal. No one will ever want to buy one to feel nostalgic. Your car will only go down in value. Most cars go down in value.

Not only that, the Bel Airs and DeLoreans that are fetching top dollar are in showroom quality. They have service records recording everything that was done to the car, from changing wiper blades to complete engine overhauls. And all work was done by certified mechanics that specialize in those kinds of cars. Do you have complete service records for your Daewoo? I sure as hell know you're not a certified mechanic, there's no doubt about that. From the pictures on your website, the car looks exactly how I'd expect a 15 year old economy car, daily driven and driven in Minnesota winters looks. Not to mention you've ruined any value it had by putting those god awful pedals and shifter on. Nothing hurts the value of a classic car more than aftermarket parts.

I don't have all service records on me, but my grandpa has all the receipts including the original sales receipt from back in 2000. Other than some chips in the paint and parking lot dings that i never put there, the car has its original factory exterior appearance. No sure what you mean by "From the pictures on your website, the car looks exactly how I'd expect a 15 year old economy car, daily driven and driven in Minnesota winters looks."

Plenty of people put on custom shift knobs. It reflects personality of the driver. What ruins value (or adds deplending on circumstance) of a car is hacking up fenders to put 22" rims on a car designed for 14" or altering the overall looks of the exterior (adding lambo doors or gullwing door conversions) putting on Hood Scoops that serve no real purpose or even adding those hidious wing spoilers or fugly fart cans to the exhaust.

 

[bunnspecial]

Do correct me if I am wrong, BUT ALL 50's era cars look the same. The 1957 Plymouth used in the movie "Christine" looks identical in body style and appearence as a 57 bel air and other sedans of the 50's. I have seen plenty of them throughout the years.

If you think that all '50s cars look the same you haven't looked at them that closely.

Most Americans makers changed their body styles yearly. In the era of tail fins, the biggest difference was there. Even among different brands from the same maker, there are distinct features associated with specific makes. For example, Buicks are know for their grille and for the vent holes. Cadillacs are known for their over-the-top tail fins.

As I said, my mom(the stereotypical non-car person) can recognize a '57 Bel Air from a mile away-of course it helps that my grandfather bought one in '57 . Even so, the white "V" panel in the middle of the tail fins stands out from a mile away.

And, again, a '56 and '58 Bel Air are equally as distinctive, but don't have the "charm" of the '57 and consequently are valued lower. From my idle observations, probably the closest one value wise is the '55, which again is distinctive.

 

[MatthewLTL]

I talked to my neighbor today. He has a van sitting in the driveway with no plates on it so I asked him about it. Come to find out the SAME mechanic I took my car to for it's brake work in 2013 really ****ed over the poor guy. Here's the story:

He bought the Van (Looks like a late model AstroVan), for $1100. It had a bad engine but sounds like it DID RUN. He bought another engine to put into it for $750. He took it to the same mechanic i did to have it fixed, they let all the oil leak out and because or it completely destroyed the engine by bending the pistons. Wanted to charge him $3000 to fix it so he bought the engine and took it over, It sat for 4 months they didn't do a thing to it, Charged him for the work.

He got a call from the police. The police pulled over someone who was using his plates on their car and leaving town. The shop LET this person use the plates as the van sat there. THe guy was charged with driving without a license, driving with no insurance and driving with someone else's plates.

Moral of the story is NEVER EVER FOR ANY REASON goto Tilson's Automotive Service Center. This is just the kind of **** i always got from them. One excuse after another, "Oh it's a Daewoo" "Can't get parts" Or "The part won't come until tomorrow" The fact I told them its the same thing as a Aveo and virtually all parts are interchangable meant little of anything. Funny how the say that when I have no problem at all getting parts.

 

[MatthewLTL]

If you think that all '50s cars look the same you haven't looked at them that closely.

Most Americans makers changed their body styles yearly. In the era of tail fins, the biggest difference was there. Even among different brands from the same maker, there are distinct features associated with specific makes. For example, Buicks are know for their grille and for the vent holes. Cadillacs are known for their over-the-top tail fins.

As I said, my mom(the stereotypical non-car person) can recognize a '57 Bel Air from a mile away-of course it helps that my grandfather bought one in '57 . Even so, the white "V" panel in the middle of the tail fins stands out from a mile away.

And, again, a '56 and '58 Bel Air are equally as distinctive, but don't have the "charm" of the '57 and consequently are valued lower. From my idle observations, probably the closest one value wise is the '55, which again is distinctive.

The '57 Plymouth had that same V from the front end and sides all the 4 door and 2 door sedans looked the same, as I have only ever seen them from the front or sides as they pass by.

EDIT: Correction the Plymouth had the V on the grill, the headlight and tailfins and taillight are identical in appearence though.

 

[bunnspecial]

Look at a side view of a '57 Plymouth and '57 Bel Air and the look nothing alike. For one thing, the "V" on the Plymouth extends all the way up to the front quarters, while on the Bel Air its only on the rear quarters.

Even the lower trim levels of the '57 Chevy have the same distinctive V-they just don't have the white fill-in of the Bel Air.

 

[A.Goldberg]

Do correct me if I am wrong, BUT ALL 50's era cars look the same.

Many late 1950's American cars had a similar look- some had fins or boxed out rear quarter panels and raised headlights with the hood that conforms over them. These look nothing like cars earlier in the 50's. I wouldn't say all cars looked like that though- look at the Corvette or the Buick's though. Compare that with offerings from Europe (Mercedes, Triumph, Jaguar, MG, VW), who never adopted the American look. Go back to the early 50's and the cars were much more rounded off, no fins, etc. You could say "many" cars today look very similar.

1954 Bel Air

1957 Bel Air

Other than some chips in the paint and parking lot dings that i never put there, the car has its original factory exterior appearance. No sure what you mean by "From the pictures on your website, the car looks exactly how I'd expect a 15 year old economy car, daily driven and driven in Minnesota winters looks."

I just saw your webpage about the Daewoo. It's air conditioning never worked? Why wouldn't you have had that fixed under warranty? Add that to the list of repairs a potential buyer would ideally want fixed. There appears to be chips and scratches in the pain, your hubcaps have a little curb rash, and the interior is filthy. Clever solution using safety pins to hold up your sun visors? Dings, scratches, and paint chips is not a "factory exterior appearance". You may not have made modifications, but it's not new condition.

Plenty of people put on custom shift knobs. It reflects personality of the driver. What ruins value (or adds deplending on circumstance) of a car is hacking up fenders to put 22" rims on a car designed for 14" or altering the overall looks of the exterior (adding lambo doors or gullwing door conversions) putting on Hood Scoops that serve no real purpose or even adding those hidious wing spoilers or fugly fart cans to the exhaust.

I highly assure you, adding neon pink-metallic shift knobs and pedals from WalMart that cost $3.99 will devalue your car. While you may like it, I assure you most of the public will not. Most people prefer the factory look, or if there are upgrades, appreciate quality parts. These are not "mods", it's tacking cheap crap onto your car, aka "accessorizing".

Honestly how are you pink gas/brake pedal covers and a gear shifter any different than putting on fake hood scoops? They serve no purpose either?

 

[A.Goldberg]

Alright, I'm tired of talking about WalMart accessorized, broken down Daewoos.

I will pose a question here-

1. What new cars on the market today do you think will become classics/collector cars in the future? or
2. What cars from the past 20 years will be considered classics in another 20-30 years?

(and if anyone says a Daewoo Lanos I might just die)

 

[MatthewLTL]

That's because car collectors want that '57 Bel Air because it is a classic vehicle. There is demand for them. That $2000 was 1957 money. That's $17K in todays money( still a pretty good price considering that gets you a compact car today).

There is no demand for your Daewoo that will drive its price up.

You are the person that doesn't understand how the automotive world works. My Saturn Aura's value is only going to go down. There is no one clamoring for the vehicle. It's a good car, but certainly not a classic or timepiece such as a '57 Bel Air or a 1969 Camaro, etc.

Well I also happen to know from word of mouth, that Saturn's are a pile of garbage with all it's mechanical problems, Paper Engine gaskets, furtherest thing from a reliable car. There is a reason they ain't made anymore, the founder of Daewoo Motor skimmed money and left Daewoo in so much debt that GM bought them out and sell Daewoo's badged as Buick's and Chevys. What's Saturn's excuse?

That's called inflation. $2,000 in 1957 was $17,000 equating for inflation. You could easily buy a house for $10,000 in 1957 money. Yes, it's worth money because it's a collectors car relative to most other cars, but it's still worth less than it was originally purchased for.

I can think of ONE "mainstream" used car in the U.S. That has appreciated in value in a short amount of time. The Land Rover Defender 90. It was imported in 1994, 1995 and 1997. They cost ~$30k new. Since they are so rare, their prices despite age and high mileage can still be $40,000-50,000 (maybe up to 70 with low miles). Their prices have been in the 40-50 range for at least a decade. The 110" long wheel base you could get in 1993 and they imported a handful. They're usually listed anywhere from 90,000 to 110,000.

A Daewoo is by no means iconic and may one day will be worth more money (because none will exist) relative to today- but that will be decades if at all. Considering you have issues getting parts for it now, good luck 30 years from now (esp. Given your reliability record). Michael Scott in The Office drives a Chrysler Seebring, it doesn't mean it's iconic.

There is really nothing particularly interesting about a Lanos. It's not stylish, it's not luxurious, its not powerful, it's not revolutionary. It's place in automotive history is really insignificant. It's a 4cyl FWD shottily built economy car that no one wanted in 2001.

Don't get me wrong, I love your enthusiasm. I completely understand the passion and your open to your opinion. In terms of the general public though, the Lanos isn't something that will be remembered- like a DeLoreon, MG's, Austin Healies, Triumph TR6, Jaguar XK or XJ, Range Rover Classics, Land Rovers Series 1-3/Defender, Corvette, Mercedes SL, 1980's BMW 3-Series, Jeep Wrangler or Wagoneer, Toyota Land Cruiser, etc etc

You'd be dreaming if you think you're getting $2100 for a car that needs ~$1000+ in work. You'd get $1000 if you're lucky. You'd be delirious to think ANYONE would buy a Chrysler LeBaron for $6500. What people advertise and what cars actually sell for are two very different numbers. I don't think $1000 is even a good price considering the age, mileage, and intrinsic value.

You are assuming that I'd even sell it. I have no reason to sell it. Believe it or not, back when my mom was working and we got this car it was the most reliable car ever owned. It never left her or me stranded. She drove this car 60 miles a day 5 days a week for over 4 years. This was highway speeds 70MPH. It may have 45k on the odometer but 38k miles was all highway miles. When my mom became disabled and unable to work anymore this car went from bring driven 60 miles a day 5 days a week to be driven about 5 miles a day 5 days a week taking me an my sister to and from school. It sat untouched and undriven from August 2009 to October 2010 when I got my learner's permit. (Btw the battery never died). Now that I take it everywhere, putting more miles on it than it's seen since 2004, the usual routine maintenance that never needed to be done because it was never driven enough is coming to a head now. the shop will do the timing belt the cam sensor the brakes mount the front tyres and do the valve cover gasket. I will do the plugs, fuel filter, plug wires, and Power Steering flush all as preventivie/ overdue maintenance.

 

[bunnspecial]

Alright, I'm tired of talking about WalMart accessorized broken down Daewoos.

I will pose a question here-

1. What new cars on the market today do you think will become classics/collector cars in the future? or
2. What cars from the past 20 years will be considered classics in another 20 years?

From what I've seen, the high end or special edition offerings of standard production cars will hold their value better and, IMO, will probably be the classic or collector cars of the future.

One example that immediately comes to mind is the 94-96 Impala SS, which was a Caprice with special trim and the police package engine, suspension, etc. I've been following these for a few years, and from what I've seen good ones are already starting to appreciate. Of course, I emphasize good ones-"pimped out" ones and beat up ones don't carry much of a premium over a Caprice in similar condition. I've always had a soft spot for these cars because, when I was young, my best friend's dad had a '96(bought it new).

Off the top of my head, a few others that I think have potential in this same way(in no particular order) are

1. Altima SE-R
2. Mercury Marauder
3. Jaguar S-type R(perhaps I'm a bit biased toward this one for its common underpinnings with my beloved LS)
4. Cadillac CTS-V

These are all models I've been following, and while they are all still depreciating I think that the depreciation is less than lower trim cars of the same model and age.

 

[MatthewLTL]

Many late 1950's American cars had a similar look- some had fins or boxed out rear quarter panels and raised headlights with the hood that conforms over them. These look nothing like cars earlier in the 50's. I wouldn't say all cars looked like that though- look at the Corvette or the Buick's though. Compare that with offerings from Europe (Mercedes, Triumph, Jaguar, MG, VW), who never adopted the American look. Go back to the early 50's and the cars were much more rounded off, no fins, etc. You could say "many" cars today look very similar.

1954 Bel Air

1957 Bel Air

I just saw your webpage about the Daewoo. It's air conditioning never worked? Why wouldn't you have had that fixed under warranty? Add that to the list of repairs a potential buyer would ideally want fixed. There appears to be chips and scratches in the pain, your hubcaps have a little curb rash, and the interior is filthy. Clever solution using safety pins to hold up your sun visors? Dings, scratches, and paint chips is not a "factory exterior appearance". You may not have made modifications, but it's not new condition.


I highly assure you, adding neon pink-metallic shift knobs and pedals from WalMart that cost $3.99 will devalue your car. While you may like it, I assure you most of the public will not. Most people prefer the factory look, or if there are upgrades, appreciate quality parts. These are not "mods", it's tacking cheap crap onto your car, aka "accessorizing".

Honestly how are you pink gas/brake pedal covers and a gear shifter any different than putting on fake hood scoops? They serve no purpose either?

The Dealership never fixed anything under warranty. The defective-from-factory brakes WERE covered under warranty, they said it wasn't and didn't honor it After that we said "forget it" to ever taking it to the Dealer for service). The A/C worked one time. We had the A/C serviced it worked 4 more times that's it. After that we gave up on the A/C.

It's not Pink metallic OR NEON and they weren't from walmart. Nice try though. I have the factory shifter in the garage and the factory pedal covers on the back seat. I have the factory Stereo too. If I were to ever sell it I would put the factory shifter and pedal covers back on and put the factory stereo back in. I got the shifter because I prefered having the shifter button on top rather than on the side.

I had to vacuum the car out when the windows got shattered, the only thing the vacuum actually sucked up was the glass none of the crumbs ever came up. And who exactly gives 2 ****s about the interior? I am the only one in it 90% of the time. The seat covers were a bitch to get on, If i took them off to wash them (Assuming i can get them off) getting them back on would be a bitch too. I washed the Steering wheel cover and that was just as much of a bitch to get back on as it was when we bought it new.

EDIT: I am not like everyone else, I care vary little about the dull and ugly interiors or cars. Part of why I would never by anything that was made on of after 2006 unless it's a Kalos or a Lecetti-Premiere as all cars turned ugly with the 2006 Model Year. and all the 2014-2015 cars have useless features that I wouldnt care for.

 

[MatthewLTL]

From what I've seen, the high end or special edition offerings of standard production cars will hold their value better and, IMO, will probably be the classic or collector cars of the future.

One example that immediately comes to mind is the 94-96 Impala SS, which was a Caprice with special trim and the police package engine, suspension, etc. I've been following these for a few years, and from what I've seen good ones are already starting to appreciate. Of course, I emphasize good ones-"pimped out" ones and beat up ones don't carry much of a premium over a Caprice in similar condition. I've always had a soft spot for these cars because, when I was young, my best friend's dad had a '96(bought it new).

Off the top of my head, a few others that I think have potential in this same way(in no particular order) are

1. Altima SE-R
2. Mercury Marauder
3. Jaguar S-type R(perhaps I'm a bit biased toward this one for its common underpinnings with my beloved LS)
4. Cadillac CTS-V

These are all models I've been following, and while they are all still depreciating I think that the depreciation is less than lower trim cars of the same model and age.

90s impalas are rare I've seen one in my lifetime. Never heard of a CTS-V, Altima SE-R or a Marauder. nor have i seen either of them.

EDIT: Speaking of "Pimped" out, Am I the only one to notice that Subie Sedans and Honda Civic's are the main cars to get pimped?

 

[bunnspecial]

90s impalas are rare I've seen one in my lifetime. Never heard of a CTS-V, Altima SE-R or a Marauder. nor have i seen either of them.

EDIT: Speaking of "Pimped" out, Am I the only one to notice that Subie Sedans and Honda Civic's are the main cars to get pimped?

Keep your eyes open for the Impalas. I see them with some regularity-probably once a month or so.

The CTS-V is the high end, performance oriented version of the CTS. The first generation had the engine out of the Z06 Corvette. The second generation has a supercharged version of this engine. For an easy "spotting guide" on these look for a wire mesh front grille. These actually aren't all that uncommon.

The SE-R-again-was the high end performance oriented version of the Altima. A college friend of mine had one(an '05 model, I think). For a "spotting guide" on these, look for a(factory) body kit that gives them about an inch and a half of ground clearance, unique(to the SE-R) split 5-spoke wheels, and "smoked" tail lights. They also have a two-tone leather interior. These are fairly uncommon. I went four years seeing one almost every day, although that was by virtue of the fact that I knew someone who owns one. I also see one parked in a driveway every day on my way to work. I probably see one out on the road about every 6 months or so.

The Marauder was somewhat comparable to the 94-96 Impala SS. It's a hybrid between the Grand Marquis and Police Interceptor. It has the 4.6L Modular V8 with the Interceptor headers, along with a 1:3.55 rear end and several other handling and performance features in common with the Interceptors. The trim is unique to the Marauder, and has a body colored grille along with most of the other trim being body colored. The rear bumper has "Marauder" embossed on it. Unlike most other Panther platform cars, it's true dual exhaust with chrome tips poking out from under the rear bumper. The wheels are a 17" 5 spoke design with the Mercury god-head logo in the center(think of a Mercury dime). There were a little under 12,000 of these made-most in black but a handful in silver, dark blue, and dark red. I see one on the road probably every 8-10 months.

 

[AustinIllini]

Alright, I'm tired of talking about WalMart accessorized, broken down Daewoos.

I will pose a question here-

1. What new cars on the market today do you think will become classics/collector cars in the future? or
2. What cars from the past 20 years will be considered classics in another 20-30 years?

(and if anyone says a Daewoo Lanos I might just die)

I haven't been into cars long enough, but I would assume the collectible (non-hyper car) cars are:
1) Either of the current Teslas (Model S, Roadster)
2) 1G Cadillac CTS
3) The last generation Ford Mustang
4) BMW M4
5) Any Vette since the 2003 model.
6) MatthewLTL's Daewoo Dumpster Fire.

 

[AustinIllini]

90s impalas are rare I've seen one in my lifetime. Never heard of a CTS-V, Altima SE-R or a Marauder. nor have i seen either of them.

EDIT: Speaking of "Pimped" out, Am I the only one to notice that Subie Sedans and Honda Civic's are the main cars to get pimped?

There's a reason they are called Ricers. The whole point of buying a Civic or a Subaru is to rice it if you're into that kind of thing.

 

[MatthewLTL]

Keep your eyes open for the Impalas. I see them with some regularity-probably once a month or so.

The CTS-V is the high end, performance oriented version of the CTS. The first generation had the engine out of the Z06 Corvette. The second generation has a supercharged version of this engine. For an easy "spotting guide" on these look for a wire mesh front grille. These actually aren't all that uncommon.

The SE-R-again-was the high end performance oriented version of the Altima. A college friend of mine had one(an '05 model, I think). For a "spotting guide" on these, look for a(factory) body kit that gives them about an inch and a half of ground clearance, unique(to the SE-R) split 5-spoke wheels, and "smoked" tail lights. They also have a two-tone leather interior. These are fairly uncommon. I went four years seeing one almost every day, although that was by virtue of the fact that I knew someone who owns one. I also see one parked in a driveway every day on my way to work. I probably see one out on the road about every 6 months or so.

The Marauder was somewhat comparable to the 94-96 Impala SS. It's a hybrid between the Grand Marquis and Police Interceptor. It has the 4.6L Modular V8 with the Interceptor headers, along with a 1:3.55 rear end and several other handling and performance features in common with the Interceptors. The trim is unique to the Marauder, and has a body colored grille along with most of the other trim being body colored. The rear bumper has "Marauder" embossed on it. Unlike most other Panther platform cars, it's true dual exhaust with chrome tips poking out from under the rear bumper. The wheels are a 17" 5 spoke design with the Mercury god-head logo in the center(think of a Mercury dime). There were a little under 12,000 of these made-most in black but a handful in silver, dark blue, and dark red. I see one on the road probably every 8-10 months.

Nope NEVER seen a Marauder. However I seen plenty of CTS's with Mesh Grilles pretty much all of them do. I seen plenty of GMC SUVs with chrome mesh grilles too.

There's a reason they are called Ricers. The whole point of buying a Civic or a Subaru is to rice it if you're into that kind of thing.

A am by no mean a car enthousist.. I have no clue what a ricer is.

 

[Suture]

I am all over the place. At one point I was looking heavily at Ford GT500s. Now I'm looking at the 2016 Miata going, "Yeah, I might want that."

 

[AustinIllini]

A am by no mean a car enthousist.. I have no clue what a ricer is.

So RICE is a "Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancement". Ricers take (mostly) Hondas and add pieces that don't make them any faster. For example, lights on the bottom of the car.

In the US, it gets even more complicated than that, because Ricers will go out of their way to make their cars as close to JDM (Japanese Domestic Market) as possible. For example, someone in the United States might buy an Acura TSX, debadge it, and put on Honda logos.

 

[MatthewLTL]

So RICE is a "Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancement". Ricers take (mostly) Hondas and add pieces that don't make them any faster. For example, lights on the bottom of the car.

In the US, it gets even more complicated than that, because Ricers will go out of their way to make their cars as close to JDM (Japanese Domestic Market) as possible. For example, someone in the United States might buy an Acura TSX, debadge it, and put on Honda logos.

Thanks for that information. I have some exterior modifications planed but they have nothing to do with racing or racing inspired.
I have had my car called a Ricer before. back then i was told a ricer is when you modify the appearence of a car inside or out but keep the engine stock