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Oh, don't worry. I'll grab them probably Sunday. I'll see it tomorrow but don't know if I'll have to do it them. With any luck, maybe he'll let me take it out for a drive
But yeah, when he said they had it priced at 39K, I couldn't believe it either...
Pretty sweet deal. I'm really curious, as you point out, about the next 3-4 years for Lincoln. Their new pricing structure is... interesting. The cars do look nicer. They have a very European and to an extent, Lexus, look to them. I'm not sure if the radical new design language plus the plump prices will sway long time consumers of Lincoln products or if it'll alienate them. I'm not one to jump the gun, but I'll give it 3-4 years to pan out.
The new era of full size SUVs are huge. Wheelbases are not much longer than 10 years ago, but the new safety requirements have bulked up the bodies. I wonder if in 20 years we'll look back on this and think we were being silly as cars get safer and safer.
The new era of full size SUVs are huge. Wheelbases are not much longer than 10 years ago, but the new safety requirements have bulked up the bodies. I wonder if in 20 years we'll look back on this and think we were being silly as cars get safer and safer.
Ford have taken a strange direction here. The Ford Kuga which is an SUV has morphed into a slightly taller Focus and the Ford Edge that my wife wanted next has been pulled from sale in the UK due to poor sales. They seem to be moving away from SUV’s here and investing heavily in small petrol powered cars.
Well, they're going to EOL the Continental and MKZ, so basically just SUVs are left - this is the current lineup:
(I wasn't even / barely aware, of the Nautilus and the Corsair!)
The Corsair is new this model year and replaces the MKC and is built on the same platform as the Ford Escape. From the reviews I've seen and read, the Corsair is a real winner in it's class. It's even a 4th possibility if/when I have to go to the SUV (crossover - I call them all SUV's) route.
The Nautilus is one we rarely hear about and I don't see many of them around either.
The Aviator, also new, is a beautiful SUV inside and out, and is one of the very few SUV's that I find attractive. Though I have seen several reports that Lincoln has been having severe issues with the interior electronics malfunctioning on customers. Hopefully they get those ironed out before the next model year.
Ahh!
Yeah, the Aviator is a really nice design, and if that's your thing, you can get crazy with the interior with options like the Black Label (pushing it over $80K). It doesn't match our, let's call it, our "Lifestyle Personality", but it's certainly a beautiful execution.
Which is really stupid when you consider they went all in with a Continental redesign a few years ago. SUVs and crossovers sell a lot more, and I suspect there's some buyer's psychology at play here. People feel like they're getting a lot more for their money dropping 50-60K on an SUV vs a sedan.
interesting, I think you’re right. Priced the same, the SUV does legitimately give you more room, more utility/cargo/towing.
It’s pretty fantastic, it’s like a Continental that can tow 5000 lbs, seat 6 or 7, and has much better visibility.
Does it really have better visibility when so many people are driving SUVs and trucks now? There was a time when that was more true, but I don’t think it’s as much as an advantage anymore.It’s pretty fantastic, it’s like a Continental that can tow 5000 lbs, seat 6 or 7, and has much better visibility.
As for towing, I don’t tow anything and if I did, I can use dads F-350 dually. But being able to tow is not a con at all.
Having all the comfortable seating in the first and second row is attractive as well as the ease of entry and exit from the vehicle.
Yes, the visibility is better even with a significant number of SUVs on the road (I love seeing further, across questionable areas, regardless of what other vehicles are on the road) and of course towing is very use case specific. My point was same cost, an SUV provides more functionality, more “capacity” (even if it’s not all usuable by the owner).
Other than a touch of better handling at the limit, and that comes up almost never vs. the more common occurrence of needing more room, more storage, more seating, I almost always prefer an SUV to a sedan.
Other than a touch of better handling at the limit, and that comes up almost never vs. the more common occurrence of needing more room, more storage, more seating, I almost always prefer an SUV to a sedan.
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I'll hold off full photos of the Continental until tomorrow when I can get it out of the garage, but I drove it a little yesterday and spent some time looking it over. Hopefully I can get permission to give it a bit more of a spin tomorrow
Here's a bit of a fun shot from it. When driving it, this took a lot of getting use to...
Also, here's the window sticker. Looks like it is the 3.7L, and is pretty much the "base" model. One thing I will say is that, unlike some of the German brands(looking at you, BMW) a base model is still pretty darn well appointed without a lot a la carte options.
The one glaring omission that my dad didn't realize until I pointed it out was that it's not AWD. As he said-"I don't really care-I'm never driving it in the snow anyway."
I can't help but think after looking at all the nice little touches on this car that Lincoln really did have a winner in this. It's a shame that-just like the LS 20 years ago, they never really promoted it and just let it languish. This is one of the few Continentals I've actually seen in person.
Here's a bit of a fun shot from it. When driving it, this took a lot of getting use to...
Also, here's the window sticker. Looks like it is the 3.7L, and is pretty much the "base" model. One thing I will say is that, unlike some of the German brands(looking at you, BMW) a base model is still pretty darn well appointed without a lot a la carte options.
The one glaring omission that my dad didn't realize until I pointed it out was that it's not AWD. As he said-"I don't really care-I'm never driving it in the snow anyway."
I can't help but think after looking at all the nice little touches on this car that Lincoln really did have a winner in this. It's a shame that-just like the LS 20 years ago, they never really promoted it and just let it languish. This is one of the few Continentals I've actually seen in person.
What’s going on in that screen? Is it snowing?I'll hold off full photos of the Continental until tomorrow when I can get it out of the garage, but I drove it a little yesterday and spent some time looking it over. Hopefully I can get permission to give it a bit more of a spin tomorrow
Here's a bit of a fun shot from it. When driving it, this took a lot of getting use to...
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Also, here's the window sticker. Looks like it is the 3.7L, and is pretty much the "base" model. One thing I will say is that, unlike some of the German brands(looking at you, BMW) a base model is still pretty darn well appointed without a lot a la carte options.
The one glaring omission that my dad didn't realize until I pointed it out was that it's not AWD. As he said-"I don't really care-I'm never driving it in the snow anyway."
I can't help but think after looking at all the nice little touches on this car that Lincoln really did have a winner in this. It's a shame that-just like the LS 20 years ago, they never really promoted it and just let it languish. This is one of the few Continentals I've actually seen in person.
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That’s an insane discount to get that vehicle for $39,000 when it retails MSRP for $55,000. I’m also a huge fan of Fords ‘magnetic gray’, not a very common color you see on the road. The only gripe I would have, is if it was AWD v.s. FWD, that would’ve been a killer addition to top that on the checklist Spec’ sheet. Plus, The whole ‘all wheel drive snow argument’ comment doesn’t apply solely to to that One scenario, what does make a difference is quality all-seasonal tires and all-wheel-drive in tandem, it’s equally important with wet roads/heavy rainfalls.
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I'll hold off full photos of the Continental until tomorrow when I can get it out of the garage, but I drove it a little yesterday and spent some time looking it over. Hopefully I can get permission to give it a bit more of a spin tomorrow
Nice! Looking forward to the exterior shots
Er, not sure why another poster said otherwise, but Magnetic Gray is one of Ford's top 3 selling colors in the US. My black '16 GT was supposed to be MGM
BTW, if he snags the Ford app, he can remote start his car from a smartphone
It also sends diags, tire pressure/gas/oil reports, etc., it's pretty neat.If you get an OBDMX module and the Forescan app, you can select an alternative startup screen
I don't recall which models have what options, but I know a few Mustang people who have swapped the pony startup for the cobra I've got to get that module ordered, I want to disable the annoying as hell double honk on exit (yes, I know the goddam car is running ...
), there's a few other neat little tweaks you can do.
Thanks for the comments on the car. I'm proud of it even if it's not mine
Yes, the "stars" are the start-up screen on the center console. I was really, showing, though the PRNDS button shifter to the left of it
I was wrong on it being the base trim. Apparently that's "premier" and "Select" is the mid-range trim. That does mean it has Bridge of Wier leather.
And yes, the color is sharp. I was a bit disappointed when he let me know it wasn't black(his last two Continentals were, and even going back to the 60s convertible Continentals it seems "right" to me), but this is close enough.
Also, on AWD, yes I know is has some general driveability benefits outside less that great weather. His last Continentals (98 and '02) had the big Intech V8 that was a little short of 300 HP and had piles of torque to go with it. I know that's nothing now, but I always found the car a bit unwieldy in a front wheel drive package(the rear wheel drive cars with that engine were not at all), and aside from the torque steer there was always a learning curve to starting it without chirping the tires. He didn't believe me until I put the numbers right in front of them, but those old Continentals had a turning circle nearly as wide as my mom's Town Car despite being shorter and narrower-they never felt that maneuverable to me just because of that.
I've never had an AWD car. Mine have always been either front or rear wheel drive only. I much prefer RWD, even though it seems to wax and wane in popularity in sedans. Thank goodness I have one rear wheel drive car now, even if my daily(the MKS) is front wheel. I do know two wheels can get a bit squirrely in the rain, especially in heavy rain, but at the same time several hundred thousand miles across several vehicles has made me expect and drive appropriately to handle it. As power goes up, though, the chances of that happening definitely goes up also.
I'll see if I can pull it out later today for proper photos. They just drove it ~500 miles this weekend(St. Louis and back to meet my future in-laws, which was a good trip all around) so it needs a bit of a clean up on the front before that.
Yes, the "stars" are the start-up screen on the center console. I was really, showing, though the PRNDS button shifter to the left of it
I was wrong on it being the base trim. Apparently that's "premier" and "Select" is the mid-range trim. That does mean it has Bridge of Wier leather.
And yes, the color is sharp. I was a bit disappointed when he let me know it wasn't black(his last two Continentals were, and even going back to the 60s convertible Continentals it seems "right" to me), but this is close enough.
Also, on AWD, yes I know is has some general driveability benefits outside less that great weather. His last Continentals (98 and '02) had the big Intech V8 that was a little short of 300 HP and had piles of torque to go with it. I know that's nothing now, but I always found the car a bit unwieldy in a front wheel drive package(the rear wheel drive cars with that engine were not at all), and aside from the torque steer there was always a learning curve to starting it without chirping the tires. He didn't believe me until I put the numbers right in front of them, but those old Continentals had a turning circle nearly as wide as my mom's Town Car despite being shorter and narrower-they never felt that maneuverable to me just because of that.
I've never had an AWD car. Mine have always been either front or rear wheel drive only. I much prefer RWD, even though it seems to wax and wane in popularity in sedans. Thank goodness I have one rear wheel drive car now, even if my daily(the MKS) is front wheel. I do know two wheels can get a bit squirrely in the rain, especially in heavy rain, but at the same time several hundred thousand miles across several vehicles has made me expect and drive appropriately to handle it. As power goes up, though, the chances of that happening definitely goes up also.
I'll see if I can pull it out later today for proper photos. They just drove it ~500 miles this weekend(St. Louis and back to meet my future in-laws, which was a good trip all around) so it needs a bit of a clean up on the front before that.
Yeah, it's a popular color and for good reason. It's very attractive on many vehicles and is usually in my top 3 or 4 color picks.
The Lincoln Way app is nice for all those reasons; a must have.BTW, if he snags the Ford app, he can remote start his car from a smartphone
Ok, how much are they, where do I get one, and will it void any warranty if used? I'd love to disable that noise too.I've got to get that module ordered, I want to disable the annoying as hell double honk on exit (yes, I know the goddam car is running ...
Also, any idea what it means every now and then when you first start the car up it chimes really loud compared to most other times?
The push button shifter is nice; an old throwback to the Chrysler PowerFlite transmissions from the 1950's. Though I still like a traditional column or center console shifter as well. What I don't care as much for is the dial shifter's some cars, like dad's Ford Edge has.
The other shifter I didn't like and had trouble getting the hang of was that weird GM physical/electronic shifter in the Cadillac I test drove a couple of weeks ago.
Yeah, I was thinking 2 of our last 7 rides (er, I think that's correct) were a variation of a medium metallic gray.
It was a paid app / access, and for MY19+ Ford made it free. The one in the DD/RT is still pay, but all the reporting features still work so that's only remote start, it's silly.
It's a device like this (wireless version):
OBDLink MX Bluetooth OBD-II Automotive Scan Tool for Android and Windows
OBDLink MX Bluetooth OBD-II Automotive Scan Tool for Android and Windows
www.amazon.com
(oops, that's currently not available, but if gives you the idea)
... or this (wired/USB):
(I'm probably just going to get the wired one)
Then you need FORscan:
I think everyone is using the free version.
The thing you're modifying is the As Built Data. It's basically a bunch of KVPs that are set based on the specific car/model/options, like here's the one for the double honk:
You open the system through the app, select the code, swap the value (kind of like editing the Window registry).
Some things are pretty global to the brand, some are model specific, I bet there's a forum discussing the MKV. Once swapped back to stock, it's not traceable, it's not like the flash / key counter that's used to detect a performance tune.
Here's a few things that Mustang folks have done:
FORScan has been utilized by members on this forum to do things such as:
- Enable Gauges on the Dashboard (also known as IPC) such as the All-Wheel Drive Gauge (2013+), TPMS Gauge (2015+), Digital Speedometer Gauge (Some 2015+)
- Convert Audio Output from the Audio Control Module (ACM) from either Sony Mode / High Level Out to a Low Line Level Out to allow for better sound quality with aftermarket amplifiers driving speakers and subs.
- Enable OEM Remote Start and associated Remote Starter Climate Control Features
- Switch BCM Taillight Output from S/SE Style Inner Light to Titanium Outer Ring Style after physically swapping out taillights to higher trim level.
- Enable / Disable Daytime Running Lights (DRL)
- Enable Foglights w/ High Beam Lights at same time
- Disable Horn Honk on Door Closed when keyfob is removed from a push to start vehicle with engine running.
- Disable Seatbelt Chimes, when not buckled (Caution)
- Disable Automatic Engine Shutdown on Push to Start Vehicles (Prevents Auto Shut Off if left idle for 30 minutes)
- Modify MyFord Touch to Enable HD Radio AND/OR Sirius after swapping out to higher trim level ACM.
I'm still waiting on a camshaft and a few other parts for the MG engine to start going back together. The bottom end gasket set and head gasket set(which has a bunch of things needed for reassembly aside from just the HG) came in over the weekend and I dropped them off today.
I looked over the stuff fresh back from the shop, and they almost look too pretty to put back together
I looked over the stuff fresh back from the shop, and they almost look too pretty to put back together
There's a lot of little stuff that goes into an engine rebuild, even when dealing with an old tractor engine.
In the photo I showed above is one of the 4 rods that they completely finished. Of course, my mechanic took the block+crank+rods to them, and per verbal communication(I want to see an itemized invoice just for my records-I'll request that) the rods had the big ends sized. From what I understand, this is a fairly common process in rehabbing old rods-basically to correct a slightly worn/out of round big end, the cuts are ground down slightly, which has the effect of making an ovalized but undersized big end journal. From there, the big end can then be bored out to the correct diameter.
When I looked at the rods(or really just one of them) today, I made the common "Oh, they put ARP bolts in them." ARP is among the best in the business when it comes to automotive fasteners, and the 12-point nuts are something of a tell-tale. ARP is a fastener company, though, and they are able to offer MGB rod bolts because those particular ones just happen to cross reference to an AMC inline 6.
There's a small problem with them, though. The standard "button" head at the top of the big end will foul on the camshaft in these type straight cut rods. The factory bolts had a small bevel on the camshaft side to get around this. I knew about this, but had completely forgotten about it and didn't mention it today at the shop.
I was on the friend with a wonderful MG mechanic today and a good friend in Philly about something else(my local mechanic wants an O/D for another customer, and I knew that this friend could deliver a fully rebuilt/refurbished one in short order-and offered to go pick it up if they want it, but I digress). Dick reminded me of the ARP bolt problem, and sent me this photo
Original is on the right, modified ARP on the left.
Before calling the shop, though, I took another look at the photos I'd taken today, and it seems that the shop was aware
Needless to say, I'm pleased that they were aware.
In the photo I showed above is one of the 4 rods that they completely finished. Of course, my mechanic took the block+crank+rods to them, and per verbal communication(I want to see an itemized invoice just for my records-I'll request that) the rods had the big ends sized. From what I understand, this is a fairly common process in rehabbing old rods-basically to correct a slightly worn/out of round big end, the cuts are ground down slightly, which has the effect of making an ovalized but undersized big end journal. From there, the big end can then be bored out to the correct diameter.
When I looked at the rods(or really just one of them) today, I made the common "Oh, they put ARP bolts in them." ARP is among the best in the business when it comes to automotive fasteners, and the 12-point nuts are something of a tell-tale. ARP is a fastener company, though, and they are able to offer MGB rod bolts because those particular ones just happen to cross reference to an AMC inline 6.
There's a small problem with them, though. The standard "button" head at the top of the big end will foul on the camshaft in these type straight cut rods. The factory bolts had a small bevel on the camshaft side to get around this. I knew about this, but had completely forgotten about it and didn't mention it today at the shop.
I was on the friend with a wonderful MG mechanic today and a good friend in Philly about something else(my local mechanic wants an O/D for another customer, and I knew that this friend could deliver a fully rebuilt/refurbished one in short order-and offered to go pick it up if they want it, but I digress). Dick reminded me of the ARP bolt problem, and sent me this photo
Original is on the right, modified ARP on the left.
Before calling the shop, though, I took another look at the photos I'd taken today, and it seems that the shop was aware
Needless to say, I'm pleased that they were aware.