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Glideslope

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When is Toyota going to introduce the new 4Runner?
I though tit was supposed to be available for sale next Spring, but I have not even seen a pic of the new model.

I'd be willing to bet as a 2025 Model. Just be prepared to say goodbye to the 1GR-FE 4.0L. Guarantee Top Power will be the 2.4L iForce Max. No way it get's the Twin Turbo in the Tundra and Sequoia.
 

DallasCowboysFan

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I'd be willing to bet as a 2025 Model. Just be prepared to say goodbye to the 1GR-FE 4.0L. Guarantee Top Power will be the 2.4L iForce Max. No way it get's the Twin Turbo in the Tundra and Sequoia.


I hope they got rid of the rusting issue they had with models a few years ago.

And I hope they introduce a hybrid version early.
But, anything will be an improvement over the 15/19 mileage it currently gets.

I bet the 5 speed transmission goes away.

But, I don't understand why they continue to sell so many, considering that the current model was introduced in 2010.
You are buying 13 year old technology and design.
You are better off buying a used one a few years old, or waiting for the new model to arrive.

But, it will be a winner when they do.
 

Glideslope

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I hope they got rid of the rusting issue they had with models a few years ago.

And I hope they introduce a hybrid version early.
But, anything will be an improvement over the 15/19 mileage it currently gets.

I bet the 5 speed transmission goes away.

But, I don't understand why they continue to sell so many, considering that the current model was introduced in 2010.
You are buying 13 year old technology and design.
You are better off buying a used one a few years old, or waiting for the new model to arrive.

But, it will be a winner when they do.

It's a Cult vehicle. That's why it sells. 4Runner owners are like Subaru owners when it involves loyalty. Plus, they are Tanks. I don't think we will see a "Hybrid" in terms of fuel efficiency, and yes the 5-Speed will be replaced by the 6-Speed like the 24 Tacoma.

Best guess is 2 powertrain options. Standard is the Mid Tune 2.4L and upper trim get the 2.4L iForceMax. The 2025 RAV4 will be the only SUV to have the 2.5L non turbo Hybrid in Toyota's SUV/Truck Platform, but I could be wrong.

You'll definitely see an MPG improvement with the non iForceMax 2.4L, but the 2.4L iForce can be thirsty enough to go down to 19mpg depending on how heavy you are. But your going to be looking at 350+ hp and 400+ ft-lbs.
 
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InvertedGoldfish

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Texas has enough electrical capacity to handle its increasing population and economic growth. But when we have record cold days or record hot days, like we are currently having, the network is stressed.

It takes several years to plan, design and construct a new power plant.

It would take several decades, at the current rate, before we matched the potential EV demand with the electrical grid's capacity.

One potential solution is to insist that all new homes be built to zero energy consumption standards. Net zero. Homes constitute about 40 percent of all the energy consumed in the U.S. If they were built to be super insulated, had enough solar panels to produce as much energy as you consume, and possibly storage batteries to store energy to be used at night, we could eliminate 40 percent of the energy consumed. And your EV could be charged 'for free' or even be used as a storage battery as well. A Tesla Solar Roof would be ideal. Theoretically, at least.

But imagine what it would do for the environment if 40 percent of electrical production was eliminated. We could eliminate the use of coal, tear down a few hydroelectrical plants that block migrating fish or encourage flooding, or even eliminate a few nuclear plants.

We can do it, but we have too many political cowards that won't stick their necks out to recommend the changes.



If they can’t even handle cold weather no way no how they’d handle everyone switching to a EV and plugging them in daily
 

InvertedGoldfish

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Figured there might be a car thread on here somewhere and thought I'd share an experience with a Ford Escape.

Rented one for a week for a road trip (didn't want to drive my truck to Chicago) and it had a wireless charging pad in it. Plunked my 12 Pro Max down on it and wow did it get HOT.

When I noted the heat, I of course immediately removed it, let it cool down and stopped using the charger. Phone is in a thin Spigen case and has had no issues on any other wireless charger, including my friend's Tesla. But the Ford Escape cooked the phone.

Nice wireless carplay, which I miss in my 2015 Canyon but avoid the wireless charging.

Don’t all wireless chargers heat up the phone?
 

JT2002TJ

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Don’t forget the energy you need to produce petrol in the first place. As well as the chemicals.

With the sunshine in Texas couldn’t you just charge cars with solar panels?

They could. My solar panels (which are ancient) produce more than I use charging my 2 Teslas. And I'm in NY...

If every EV owner with a home installed solar panels, there actually would be less of an electrical demand on the grid vs no solar panels and ICEs.
 

AlaskaMoose

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Texas has enough electrical capacity to handle its increasing population and economic growth. But when we have record cold days or record hot days, like we are currently having, the network is stressed.

It takes several years to plan, design and construct a new power plant.

It would take several decades, at the current rate, before we matched the potential EV demand with the electrical grid's capacity.

One potential solution is to insist that all new homes be built to zero energy consumption standards. Net zero. Homes constitute about 40 percent of all the energy consumed in the U.S. If they were built to be super insulated, had enough solar panels to produce as much energy as you consume, and possibly storage batteries to store energy to be used at night, we could eliminate 40 percent of the energy consumed. And your EV could be charged 'for free' or even be used as a storage battery as well. A Tesla Solar Roof would be ideal. Theoretically, at least.

But imagine what it would do for the environment if 40 percent of electrical production was eliminated. We could eliminate the use of coal, tear down a few hydroelectrical plants that block migrating fish or encourage flooding, or even eliminate a few nuclear plants.

We can do it, but we have too many political cowards that won't stick their necks out to recommend the changes.


It sounds great, but it is not as simple to achieve, at least economically. Such homes exist in Northern Canada and Alaska (there is one in Fairbanks), but such a home costs a few $millions. Just imagine the amount of energy used to produce the insulation needed for a super-insulated 5,000 ft-square home. Not only the roof and walls require insulating, but the subfloor. Look at the average price of a 4-room family house in Los Angeles, keeping in mind that these aren't super-insulated homes, and multiply that priced x 4 or 6 for a super-insulated home. The average home buyer can't afford a multi-million house.

Besides, there is not such thing as "free" electricity, unless you steal it. Even the cost of electricity you use to charge you car in the parking lot of your workplace is taken into account by your employer. If you build a solar panel array at home (if you own a home), you still have to pay for its construction and maintenance. Solar panel arrays aren't as easy to have by multi-apartment dwellers.

I read somewhere that it takes approximately 6 solar panels to charge a Tesla Model Y (RWD) a range of 37 miles considering 4.5 hours of sunlight (?). But to fully charge your Model Y, this is what you need to use:
 
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AlaskaMoose

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It's a Cult vehicle. That's why it sells. 4Runner owners are like Subaru owners when it involves loyalty. Plus, they are Tanks. I don't think we will see a "Hybrid" in terms of fuel efficiency, and yes the 5-Speed will be replaced by the 6-Speed like the 24 Tacoma.

Best guess is 2 powertrain options. Standard is the Mid Tune 2.4L and upper trim get the 2.4L iForceMax. The 2025 RAV4 will be the only SUV to have the 2.5L non turbo Hybrid in Toyota's SUV/Truck Platform, but I could be wrong.

You'll definitely see an MPG improvement with the non iForceMax 2.4L, but the 2.4L iForce can be thirsty enough to go down to 19mpg depending on how heavy you are. But your going to be looking at 350+ hp and 400+ ft-lbs.
The primary reason for people to favor Toyota vehicles relates to reliability. The Helix and some small Toyota trucks have been called "the war truck" for the reason above. The small trucks handle the desert and jungle environments quite well, and can be a relatively inexpensive workhorse.
 

Glideslope

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The primary reason for people to favor Toyota vehicles relates to reliability. The Helix and some small Toyota trucks have been called "the war truck" for the reason above. The small trucks handle the desert and jungle environments quite well, and can be a relatively inexpensive workhorse.

Correct, reference my "They are Tanks" phrase embedded. 5x RAV4 owner as well. ;)
 

Kung

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I hope they got rid of the rusting issue they had with models a few years ago.

And I hope they introduce a hybrid version early.
But, anything will be an improvement over the 15/19 mileage it currently gets.

I bet the 5 speed transmission goes away.

But, I don't understand why they continue to sell so many, considering that the current model was introduced in 2010.
You are buying 13 year old technology and design.
You are better off buying a used one a few years old, or waiting for the new model to arrive.

But, it will be a winner when they do.

As many have said, they're reliable as hell, and they're f'n tanks. People may not like them, but ride in almost any other vehicle, especially off-road, then ride in a 4Runner, and you'll notice the difference in build quality.

Was replacing the right rear tire last year on my wife's 4Runner when the jack (crappy brand) broke, sending the rear of the 4Runner - sans tire/rim on the rear left - crashing to the ground, hitting the shock mounts, axle, brake rotors, etc.

Jacked it back up carefully with a buddy's heavy duty jack, mounted the tire/rim, and that was that. No damage done.
 

SactoGuy18

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Rented a Tesla 3 recently, didn’t put many miles on it, one day of driving it was at like 20%ish
That’s a hard nooope
I recently had a chance to rent a Chevrolet Bolt for a few days. It was a surprisingly pleasant driving experience, mostly because on the Bolt, the controls are familiar enough for most drivers to adjust (this is unfortunately not the case for Tesla Models 3 and Y). Also, Chevrolet did a surprisingly good job quieting the vehicle down, very important since there is no internal combustion engine noise. I'd actually consider buying one if they allowed a DC charging rate higher than 53 kW.
 
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cyb3rdud3

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As many have said, they're reliable as hell, and they're f'n tanks. People may not like them, but ride in almost any other vehicle, especially off-road, then ride in a 4Runner, and you'll notice the difference in build quality.
As a cheap utility vehicle, they are great, but that is what they are to me. However, give me a Mercedes G-Wagon as a utility vehicle any day. I had one in my army days, and those things are brilliant for that purpose. But as a civilian, give me a full fat Range Rover any day, much nicer experience to going off-road, and on the road.
 

Kung

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As a cheap utility vehicle, they are great, but that is what they are to me. However, give me a Mercedes G-Wagon as a utility vehicle any day. I had one in my army days, and those things are brilliant for that purpose. But as a civilian, give me a full fat Range Rover any day, much nicer experience to going off-road, and on the road.

I wouldn't call $46K 'cheap.' Additionally, while we need off-road capability,

- we also need reliability and
- we DON'T need a car note 2x the cost of the 4Runner.
 

cyb3rdud3

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I wouldn't call $46K 'cheap.' Additionally, while we need off-road capability,

- we also need reliability and
- we DON'T need a car note 2x the cost of the 4Runner.
Sure, if it works for you that is fine, I'm just stating what works for me and what I think of those Toyota 4Runner and Hilux things etc.
 

InvertedGoldfish

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What EV would you go for given the choice? I’m not fussed on Tesla either, mainly due to the bland styling more than anything. The technology on them is cool, but that wouldn’t be top of my list when choosing.
I just don’t think the tech is viable for my use and driving style

300HP or better gas for me, diesel for larger trucks

If one day we have a quantum leap in battery tech, sure, but for now maybe if I had a jay leno garage I’d get that Tesla roadster for kicks, but for real use, I haven’t seen a electric that would do the job 🤷‍♂️
 
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