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And look at this...

Maximum resolution
5120 x 2880 Hz @ 70 Hz
Effective viewing area
596.736 (H) x 335.664 (V) mm
Scanning Frequency
30-210 kHz(H)/60-70 Hz(V)

People have been dissing 5K 27" and 6K 32" displays for having a 60-Hz refresh rate across the board; 70 isn't a big step up, but it's a move in the right direction, at least.
Indeed. I just need full confirmation that it is glossy to pull the trigger. IPS Black panel with nothing lacking over a Studio Display in that case...
 
And look at this...

Maximum resolution
5120 x 2880 Hz @ 70 Hz
Effective viewing area
596.736 (H) x 335.664 (V) mm
Scanning Frequency
30-210 kHz(H)/60-70 Hz(V)

People have been dissing 5K 27" and 6K 32" displays for having a 60-Hz refresh rate across the board; 70 isn't a big step up, but it's a move in the right direction, at least.

70Hz isn't new. At least 2 of the current models have that. Viewsonic has 75Hz.
 
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Viewsonic has 75Hz.
Thanks; true, it's not 'across the board,' at least when 5K 27" are included. Are any of the 6K 32" > 60Hz yet? I was aware of the Viewsonic 5K 27", but the legitimacy of the 75Hz has been questioned before. Here's a link to a post in another thread that delved into that in late May. In a nutshell, someone reported 70Hz was meaningfully better than 60Hz, but 75Hz caused skipped frames and visibly less smoothness compared to 70Hz. I hope as these displays roll out more users and reviewers will keep a close eye on real world performance at their highest rated refresh rates.
 
And even though it’s got a TB4 input from the computer, its USB Hub has to have an additional USB-C (USB 3.x) input cable which ensures working properly at 10 Gbps rates. Which is to be expected but seems to upset many here. 😉
HDMI is the only other input option.
 
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This looks quite promising. Manual here: https://www.philips.co.uk/c-p/27E3U7903_00/brilliance-5k-monitor/support The webcam hides away and is not intrusive, has VESA mount options, and is glossy - a very welcome change from the sea of matte screens we have seen recently.
Looks nice, but I would wait to see the reviews.

Anyway, nowadays I’m more into displays that can double as a mac screen and a PS5 one. And although I know 5K is optimal for macOS, I wonder how a 4K signal would look on a display like this one. Would it scale?
 
I eventually went for a Benq RD280UA. 3840x2560 "4K+" and absolutely phenomenal in portrait orientation.

 
Looks nice, but I would wait to see the reviews.

Anyway, nowadays I’m more into displays that can double as a mac screen and a PS5 one. And although I know 5K is optimal for macOS, I wonder how a 4K signal would look on a display like this one. Would it scale?
I guess I'm not certain but I'm 99% sure it would.

The last monitor I used that did a complete-garbage, pixel-doubling job of upsampling was a 20" Dell LCD monitor from 2003 (model 2001FP?). Smooth sailing since then.
 
I haven't read this whole thread, so forgive me if this has already been covered, but I found this:


I have requested info regarding whether it is glossy screen. It's a minimum two order; but the price is $426US.

Not sure I'm interested, but it's a promising sign.

What I really want is for Apple to magically retrofit a hardware target display mode to my m1 imac. Seeing as how that's unlikely, I'm hunting a 27" 5K that looks as nice. FWIW, to my eyes, imac 24" >> ASD 27"
 
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I haven't read this whole thread, so forgive me if this has already been covered, but I found this:


I have requested info regarding whether it is glossy screen. It's a minimum two order; but the price is $426US.

Not sure I'm interested, but it's a promising sign.

What I really want is for Apple to magically retrofit a hardware target display mode to my m1 imac. Seeing as how that's unlikely, I'm hunting a 27" 5K that looks as nice. FWIW, to my eyes, imac 24" >> ASD 27"
Be sure to check out the WikiPost (the first post in this thread) -- I started maintaining it a few months ago. There are number of Chinese brands listed. The two current (2025) Geekon 5K displays probably use BOE panels, for example. Also the new (2025) Fshuo. The new (2025) dual-mode (5K 72Hz, 1440p 144Hz) RichVision RV200 Pro Max might also be BOE, I don't know.

CnHopeStar specializes in OEM and ODM. They don't really market their own brand -- sales are aimed at OEM and ODM B2B "partners" -- probably some of the Chinese brands listed in the WikiPost.

They have at least two websites: cnhopestar.com is the most recent, but the original is ihopestar.com -- neither is aimed at consumers, which is why you don't see it in the WikiPost.

The company also has at least two English names: Shenzhen Hopestar Sci-Tech Co., Ltd. [深圳市希之望科技有限公司, the official Chinese business name] is the original, and Hopestar Guangzhou Electronics Co., Ltd. is another. Both exist on Alibaba:

chinahopestar.en.alibaba.com
gzhopestar.en.alibaba.com

I think the panel you are talking about is also seen on cnhopestar.com (listed under "Gaming Monitor"):

OEM-27-Inch-5k-60Hz-Mirror-Screen-Business-Designers

Source-Factory-27-Inch-5K-60Hz-Mirror-Screen

"Mirror screen" usually does mean a glossy screen. You'll also note it is BOE, 300 nits, and 3000:1 contrast.

Those specs are somewhat different from the Alibaba listings you found:

Hot-Selling-BOE-Panel-27-5K_1601400487915

Hot-Selling-27-5K-BOE-Panel_1601521213810

Once you begin a dialog with them, you'll need to ask a lot of questions to make sure you are getting what you think you are getting. I'd be interested to hear what your experience is like.
 
As with other less than $500 monitors, these seem to be 16.7M colours 8 bits, and it’s highly likely the HDMI inputs (x2) will be HDMI 2.0, and will work best at 4K.
 
Once the new Phillips 5K is in the shops I don't see any reason to consider another display, including the ASD. 600 nits. Glossy. Affordable. You can actually return it in your own country if it goes wrong. Unless Philips have made some horrible mistake in their design it's basically perfect.
 
I haven't read this whole thread, so forgive me if this has already been covered, but I found this:


I have requested info regarding whether it is glossy screen. It's a minimum two order; but the price is $426US.

Not sure I'm interested, but it's a promising sign.

What I really want is for Apple to magically retrofit a hardware target display mode to my m1 imac. Seeing as how that's unlikely, I'm hunting a 27" 5K that looks as nice. FWIW, to my eyes, imac 24" >> ASD 27"
I think I'm okay with 24" so was curious in what ways you think "imac 24" >> ASD 27" ?
 
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Once the new Phillips 5K is in the shops I don't see any reason to consider another display, including the ASD. 600 nits. Glossy. Affordable. You can actually return it in your own country if it goes wrong. Unless Philips have made some horrible mistake in their design it's basically perfect.
1099 euros = 1292 USD. That's 80% of the retail price of the ASD in the US.

Maybe the ratio is better in your country, but 20% off doesn't make it a no-brainer purchase for me.

A good 27" 4K monitor costs $250 in the US. I would be happy to pay double that for 5K.

I don't see why they have to cost over five times as much.
 
Maybe it’s a thinly-disguised bribe to dissuade Apple from coming with their own search engine.

Once the new Phillips 5K is in the shops I don't see any reason to consider another display, including the ASD. 600 nits. Glossy. Affordable. You can actually return it in your own country if it goes wrong. Unless Philips have made some horrible mistake in their design it's basically perfect.
From the specifications: "Display Screen Coating
Front Glass with Anti-Reflection. Anti-Finger 7%, 7H"

So, is it still glossy? I don't know either way, just asking.
1099 euros = 1292 USD. That's 80% of the retail price of the ASD in the US.

Maybe the ratio is better in your country, but 20% off doesn't make it a no-brainer purchase for me.
A fair point. The ASD brings a webcam with CenterStage and lauded (by in-display speaker standards) spatial audio and the stolid-feel, industrial minimalist aesthetic to the table. For some, that'll be compelling.

But a lot of people have external speakers, aren't concerned about CenterStage, mainly care about the screen (not the rear end of the display), like the idea of something not meant to be a Mac-exclusive so it should be equally good with a Windows PC or easy to hook a video gaming console to, it's even got KVM functionality, HDR certified with what should be good contrast (by IPS standards), we'll have to see how 'AI-enhanced auto-framing webcam' and the built-in speakers work out, and you get both a stand AND VESA mounting capability without having to choose between them at the time of purchase.

And the prices of 5K 27" displays are already quite high (the ASUS started near $800, and it's been toward the lower end for a non-sale price), so customers may already be feeling pricing pain when they consider the extra the ASD costs.

If Apple releases a 2nd gen. ASD real soon, that could change things dramatically.
 
1099 euros = 1292 USD. That's 80% of the retail price of the ASD in the US.

Maybe the ratio is better in your country, but 20% off doesn't make it a no-brainer purchase for me.

A good 27" 4K monitor costs $250 in the US. I would be happy to pay double that for 5K.

I don't see why they have to cost over five times as much.
The Philips suggested retail price in the UK is 849 pounds, VAT included. This is for something with a fully adjustable stand, webcam, VESA mount. The equivalent Studio Display model over here is 1899 pounds, and that's still without VESA. Even the base models will set you back 1499.

We still need to see it, but the panel is 70 Hz vs 60, and IPS Black, higher contrast. Unless as others said there is some serious own goal in uniformity, backlighting or something else, which you would discount in a Philips product, the price and features all sway heavily in its favour. Unlike the EU, we lack a proper Kuycon or other Chinese models distribution too, so only the known brands, Asus, Viewsonic, Acer, etc. are available to us via proper retail channels, and patchy stock at that.

The one thing that keeps me on the fence is whether the front is truly glossy. I have passed over the rest of the 27 5K crop because of this. I doubt Philips would contrive to create a matte glass front, but we will need to have proper verification of this.
 
From the specifications: "Display Screen Coating
Front Glass with Anti-Reflection. Anti-Finger 7%, 7H"

So, is it still glossy? I don't know either way, just asking.
Yes, there's the rub. We need a proper Youtuber review, or better Philips publicity to really ascertain this. The material so far , say
Don't really clarify much.
 
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The material so far ... Don't really clarify much.
Agree:

"Front Glass with Anti-Reflection. Anti-Finger 7%, 7H"

That's difficult to parse. "7%" seems a very odd thing to associate with fingerprint resistance. 7% of what? Has anyone ever seen anything like this? [I think not.] Instead, the "7%" might be the Haze number for the anti-reflective treatment, which is not unheard of. I looked around at some of the Philips 4K. The only recent parallel is the Brilliance 7000 series 4K, which is 3H (hardness) and 25% Haze. So Philips does use Haze percentages in specs.

If this is 7H (hardness) and 7% Haze, then it can be classified as glossy.
 
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The one thing that keeps me on the fence is whether the front is truly glossy. I have passed over the rest of the 27 5K crop because of this. I doubt Philips would contrive to create a matte glass front, but we will need to have proper verification of this.
Indeed.

I think we can be sure that the front is actually glass (and they're not using "glass" as a term of art) because of the 7H hardness rating. I don't think any plastic is anywhere near that hard.

I've never heard of a company putting a matte coating on top of actual glass. (Neither has ChatGPT...)

I've also never heard of a company other than Apple offering front glass with a matte surface treatment. (Neither has ChatGPT...)

So I think we can be reasonably sure that it'll be glass and glossy, but obviously it's best to get that confirmed.

The issue for me would be, whether or not the display is laminated, i.e., is the LCD panel glued to the front glass? Laminated displays are much less reflective and IMO look much better. You can see the difference comparing e.g. the 5K iMac to previous not-5K iMacs.

For better or for worse, though, now that I've been using my new 32" (4K) monitor for the last ~2 weeks, I think I would have a hard time going back to this smaller 27" screen size...
 
How is this for you? It might suit my needs but I must admit I wish it didn't have the little attached toolbar in terms of looks.
The Benq RD280 is amazing. I was using a 1920x1200 display in portrait (I'm a developer and like to see as much code on screen at once as possible for context and navigation) and tried some 4K displays, until one day I decided to ask Google Gemini if there was a retina version of that display size, to which it responded "yes!". It first told me about the
HUAWEI MateView but it's discontinued seemingly because of manufacturing defect that causes a pcb component to burn out if you use it on too high brightness for too long (it can be repaired using a better spec component but it's a tough job). So then I searched for other displays that use the same resolution panel and there is only one: Benq RD280 (U with stand, UA with arm).

I've had 2 months at this point. When I got back from holiday and sat at my desk the one thing that really shocked me was the display. Breathtaking. The button panel I don't rally notice or use, the lights are off pretty much all the time. So, anyway, it's surely not for everybody but it's everything I wanted in a display. Whilst it was a lot of money at ~£550 after spending time with it I would buy another in a heartbeat if it failed. It's built like a tank though, so no change of that I don't think.
 
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The Benq RD280 is amazing. I was using a 1920x1200 display in portrait (I'm a developer and like to see as much code on screen at once as possible for context and navigation) and tried some 4K displays, until one day I decided to ask Google Gemini if there was a retina version of that display size, to which it responded "yes!". It first told me about the
HUAWEI MateView but it's discontinued seemingly because of manufacturing defect that causes a pcb component to burn out if you use it on too high brightness for too long (it can be repaired using a better spec component but it's a tough job). So then I searched for other displays that use the same resolution panel and there is only one: Benq RD280 (U with stand, UA with arm).

I've had 2 months at this point. When I got back from holiday and sat at my desk the one thing that really shocked me was the display. Breathtaking. The button panel I don't rally notice or use, the lights are off pretty much all the time. So, anyway, it's surely not for everybody but it's everything I wanted in a display. Whilst it was a lot of money at ~£550 after spending time with it I would buy another in a heartbeat if it failed. It's built like a tank though, so no change of that I don't think.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Benq RD280 might be a good monitor, but it has nothing to do with a Retina Display resolution! With a x-resolution of 3840 and a y-resolution of 2560 pixel on 28" (or 28,2") you get only ~163 PPI with the Benq RD280.

Retina is 218 PPI!
 
Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Benq RD280 might be a good monitor, but it has nothing to do with a Retina Display resolution! With a x-resolution of 3840 and a y-resolution of 2560 pixel on 28" (or 28,2") you get only ~163 PPI with the Benq RD280.

Retina is 218 PPI!
Big-R "Retina" (i.e., Apple's standard for computer monitors) may be 218 PPI.

Before Apple, the conventional understanding of "retina resolution" was 60 pixels per visual degree. So, it takes viewing distance into account.

If you have a 28.2" 4K monitor and you sit 22 inches away from it, that's exactly 60 pixels per visual degree.

Everybody has their own preference for how far away to sit from a monitor but I think ~2 feet = ~24 inches is pretty common. So the monitor is likely "retina" for most people.
 
Everybody has their own preference for how far away to sit from a monitor but I think ~2 feet = ~24 inches is pretty common. So the monitor is likely "retina" for most people.
But then this thread doesn't make any sense anymore, because monitors with ~163PPI are (almost) a dime a dozen. And honestly, I have absolutely no interest in reading about such low-resolution displays here. They are welcome to go to another thread.
 
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