There's a difference between "running on a native driver" and "getting as much performance tuning as the Windows D3D driver". The perf deltas suggest the latter, not the former.
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There's a difference between "running on a native driver" and "getting as much performance tuning as the Windows D3D driver". The perf deltas suggest the latter, not the former.
http://barefeats.com/gtx980ti.html
It's only in CUDA and compute where the new cards move forward, but you don't even need a Maxwell optimised driver for that. You just need higher clock speeds and more CUDA cores.
I'm not even going to bother trying to convince someone who can't understand why a GTX980 or 980 Ti performs roughly the same in Open GL apps as a GTX 680 in OS X. I tried for over a year, enough. You can't change people who have cognitive dissonance and confirmation biases.
End of discussion.
It's only in CUDA and compute where the new cards move forward, but you don't even need a Maxwell optimised driver for that. You just need higher clock speeds and more CUDA cores.
I'm not even going to bother trying to convince someone who can't understand why a GTX980 or 980 Ti performs roughly the same in Open GL apps as a GTX 680 in OS X. I tried for over a year, enough. You can't change people who have cognitive dissonance and confirmation biases.
End of discussion.
what's true is true.
in grid2 in osx 980 performs same as gtx titan (first) titan, both a slower than 290x.
it's more about ****** state of opengl on osx overall. it just sucks. Open source driver in linux is faster than osx driver, for r9 290x.
however once you boot to windows it works great.
in grid2 in osx 980 performs same as gtx titan (first) titan, both a slower than 290x.
it's more about ****** state of opengl on osx overall. it just sucks. Open source driver in linux is faster than osx driver, for r9 290x.
however once you boot to windows it works great.
i cant see things getting any better really any time soon, i love OSX but my roadmap has me moving away to Windows on my next upgrade cycle. I cant keep devoting all this time and resources to just get close to keeping even to other platforms. I did a 3D build for a friend recently, and he came back to me afterwards pretty disappointed in the performance. he thought he was gonna be able to keep even with the guys on the PC side. his performance with a shiny new 970 SC is barely any better than what i get with my HD7970.
not to mention the nightmarish headache that was getting El Cap going on his build. seems like the potential for things to go really wrong has gotten a lot worse with 10.11, particularly with the manner in which USB was redone. I loved doing Mavericks builds for people, you could get that OS to work with almost well *any* PC hardware.
its just kind of sad really, its at a point where the iPad is the only product apple makes which is any use to me anymore. Apple had to squeeze the most out of their hardware back in the PPC days to keep up, now they use this philosophy to push underpowered product to the masses and use PR to convince them its premium.
not to mention the nightmarish headache that was getting El Cap going on his build. seems like the potential for things to go really wrong has gotten a lot worse with 10.11, particularly with the manner in which USB was redone. I loved doing Mavericks builds for people, you could get that OS to work with almost well *any* PC hardware.
its just kind of sad really, its at a point where the iPad is the only product apple makes which is any use to me anymore. Apple had to squeeze the most out of their hardware back in the PPC days to keep up, now they use this philosophy to push underpowered product to the masses and use PR to convince them its premium.
Do you understand the difference between being CPU limited and GPU limited? Clearly not. If the GPU isn't a limiting factor, you can make an infinitely fast GPU and it won't affect those benchmark scores.
Anyone get an NVME M.2 bootable in OSX? Right now my 950 is my Linux drive but my 840 that is my OSX drive needs replaced with a bigger drive and I don't want to buy another.
AFAIK, no reliable way to do that, unless you can fix the EFI by yourself. And it seems the NVMe driver is not bug free yet. It works, but may crash.
/r/hackintosh has some report that it works great and others pull their hair out. It doesn't seem board or setup specific which is strange.
Yeah unfortunately the OpenGL performance is pretty poor in OS X.
I've spent more time than I'd like to admit trying to improve gaming performance under Wine but the simple fact is that the bottleneck is Apple's subpar OpenGL implementation. The drivers actually are fairly good as far as I can tell.
In all honesty I think anyone could be forgiven for wanting to switch over to Windows, but there's still many reasons I won't do that.
I've spent more time than I'd like to admit trying to improve gaming performance under Wine but the simple fact is that the bottleneck is Apple's subpar OpenGL implementation. The drivers actually are fairly good as far as I can tell.
In all honesty I think anyone could be forgiven for wanting to switch over to Windows, but there's still many reasons I won't do that.
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Ar, sorry, forget this is the Hackintosh thread. Yes, it may be bootable, but IMO, due to lack to proper driver in OSX, may be not stable enough for daily use.
yay hackintoshes 
i was given an HP notebook this year, it was surprisingly easy to install OSX on it. did all the post install manually (clover config, dsdt patches) following guides from tonymac and everything works and it is super stable, the only time I could get it to KP was when messing with bluetooth trying to get BTLE and macid to play nice, that's a no-no. well it is flaky even on my real macbooks so...
had to change the wifi card on it tough, surprisingly there is ZERO support for intel wifi on OSX.
only downside at this point is the trackpad, it is quite good and has a decent size but nowhere near apple's
i was given an HP notebook this year, it was surprisingly easy to install OSX on it. did all the post install manually (clover config, dsdt patches) following guides from tonymac and everything works and it is super stable, the only time I could get it to KP was when messing with bluetooth trying to get BTLE and macid to play nice, that's a no-no. well it is flaky even on my real macbooks so...
had to change the wifi card on it tough, surprisingly there is ZERO support for intel wifi on OSX.
only downside at this point is the trackpad, it is quite good and has a decent size but nowhere near apple's
So what are the downsides of building a hackintosh these days?
I’d like to build a computer with two goals:
1) Mac Side
-Final Cut, hopefully GPU accelerated (as it’ll be 4k content)
-Light photoshop
-general computer use—internet, email, itunes, MS office
2) PC side
-Gaming
-autodesk inventor
-Solidworks
None of Apple’s offerings are very good for what I’m looking for, so I’m debating between building up a Mac Pro 4,1 (I currently have a stock one) or building my first Hackintosh.
The downside of the Mac Pro build is that it’s CPU and ram speed limited, which seems like it’s already an issue for modern games and will likely only get worse as time passes. It also uses a ton of power and makes a decent amount of heat/noise. But, it’s legit apple hardware, so I can do software updates without worry. My experience with Mac Pros and PowerMacs of the past has been that they’re bullet proof reliable, as well (server grade hardware)… whereas less so with my iMacs, and I’d assume even less so (on average) with a Hackintosh.
So I guess my question is… if I stick to “proven” Hackintosh hardware, how reliable is it? As in, will I be able to put it to sleep/wake it up in windows and OSX? Will I have to worry every time there’s a security/OSX update, that it’ll stop working? Will the fans operate properly (respond to heat levels, not run at full speed all the time) in windows and OSX? Other concerns I might not be considering?
TIA!
I’d like to build a computer with two goals:
1) Mac Side
-Final Cut, hopefully GPU accelerated (as it’ll be 4k content)
-Light photoshop
-general computer use—internet, email, itunes, MS office
2) PC side
-Gaming
-autodesk inventor
-Solidworks
None of Apple’s offerings are very good for what I’m looking for, so I’m debating between building up a Mac Pro 4,1 (I currently have a stock one) or building my first Hackintosh.
The downside of the Mac Pro build is that it’s CPU and ram speed limited, which seems like it’s already an issue for modern games and will likely only get worse as time passes. It also uses a ton of power and makes a decent amount of heat/noise. But, it’s legit apple hardware, so I can do software updates without worry. My experience with Mac Pros and PowerMacs of the past has been that they’re bullet proof reliable, as well (server grade hardware)… whereas less so with my iMacs, and I’d assume even less so (on average) with a Hackintosh.
So I guess my question is… if I stick to “proven” Hackintosh hardware, how reliable is it? As in, will I be able to put it to sleep/wake it up in windows and OSX? Will I have to worry every time there’s a security/OSX update, that it’ll stop working? Will the fans operate properly (respond to heat levels, not run at full speed all the time) in windows and OSX? Other concerns I might not be considering?
TIA!
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Hmmm. I thought newer models are supported as well? Cannot tell from my own model since this is still a "classic" titan that even runs without web drivers.
how reliable is it? -- Mine have always been reliable even when given to non tech people for extended periods of time but YMMV
will I be able to put it to sleep/wake it up in windows and OSX? -- Yes a vast majority don't have sleep wade problems anymore provided you're not on 2011.
Will I have to worry every time there’s a security/OSX update, that it’ll stop working? -- maybe/maybe not if you've used known good stuff then no you won't need to worry
Will the fans operate properly (respond to heat levels, not run at full speed all the time) in windows and OSX? -- those are controlled by the motherboard not the OS. My system makes whether booted into OS X or Linux make the nMP loud, but I built it to be quiet. My 4 fans were in the 120 Euro neighborhood and my card is passively cooled.
It's a PC you can build it anyway you like if you want
Sure when it breaks it's going to be a PITA to fix, you need to build within reasonably narrow range of components, TMX86 is generally filled with professional droolers and insanely mac is filled with highly skilled people and there is nothing in between so support comes from reading much and asking little. Problems can be very specific to setup and not everyone will have the same problems even on the same setup for example I have no issues with my audio kext being overwritten on updates but most others do. There are no BIOS/UEFI updates if you don't use Windows, and on boards that USB update a BIOS/UEFI update can cause you not to boot. If you OC it needs to be VERY stable not just Windows stable. If you don't pick the right SMBIOS you may not get all the functionality out of your board.
It's really not hard to hack, it's not hard to have a stable hack but it's time consuming and you have to be willing to invest the time to learn. If you stick to the various build guides it shouldn't be a problem but there is no guarantee and no one to call.
This is probably the best explanation of the Hackintosh community I've ever seen. Too bad there isn't "MacRumors Gold" like on Reddit, or I'd gift you some.
I'm a fairly recent hackintosh convert, but with my limited experience I would agree 100% with lowendlinux.
Audio (onboard) has been a problem for me, but for my non-professional use a $5 USB sound card is good enough as a workaround. I've also had a few (2 or 3) kernel panics lately, but I believe that Crashplan is the cause.
I LOLed at the description of the sites, but the buyer's guide at TonyMacx86 is still a good resource (though you probably want an AMD card for Final Cut; he exclusively recommends NVIDIA cards as I recall).
Here's a good guide for a "vanilla" install: https://eladnava.com/install-os-x-10-11-el-capitan-on-hackintosh-vanilla/ For me, though, I had the best results just installing Clover on my existing Mac Pro drive (SM951) and moving it to the new machine.
You ask about Windows, but from the Windows perspective it's just a regular PC, not a hackintosh.
Audio (onboard) has been a problem for me, but for my non-professional use a $5 USB sound card is good enough as a workaround. I've also had a few (2 or 3) kernel panics lately, but I believe that Crashplan is the cause.
I LOLed at the description of the sites, but the buyer's guide at TonyMacx86 is still a good resource (though you probably want an AMD card for Final Cut; he exclusively recommends NVIDIA cards as I recall).
Here's a good guide for a "vanilla" install: https://eladnava.com/install-os-x-10-11-el-capitan-on-hackintosh-vanilla/ For me, though, I had the best results just installing Clover on my existing Mac Pro drive (SM951) and moving it to the new machine.
You ask about Windows, but from the Windows perspective it's just a regular PC, not a hackintosh.
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onboard audio never worked for me as well - need to dig into those appleHDA patch tutorials some day.
but since BT audio and my headphones work when plugged in by USB, all is good, even got rid of that annoying 'flash' on the screen el capitan does when there is audio to be played but no sound device available by installing the soundflower driver
but since BT audio and my headphones work when plugged in by USB, all is good, even got rid of that annoying 'flash' on the screen el capitan does when there is audio to be played but no sound device available by installing the soundflower driver
I got mine working because I refuse to say everything works but...
It's kind of a pride thing either it works and is right or it doesn't and is not I have to be smarter than my computer my not small ego won't accept being defeated by a box
It's kind of a pride thing either it works and is right or it doesn't and is not I have to be smarter than my computer my not small ego won't accept being defeated by a box
Maxwell and some Kepler cards work in backwards compatibility mode. There is no evidence to suggest that Maxwell's color compression features are in the drivers. And Pascal has yet more features including improved Asynchronous Compute which is not in the Mac web driver at all.
I have a Samsung 950 in my Hacintosh, booting El Capitan.
This is why TMX put together his monthly updated Buyer's Guide. If you're going to build a hackintosh, the Buyer's Guide really helps those individuals who have never built a computer before or want to have hackintosh where the components are more compatible than not.
You're entitle to your opinion, but, from being a long time member of insanelymac and tonymacx86 forums, I disagree with your assessment. I find the TMX forum is for prosumers and insanelymac caters to hackers. Now, I don't want to get into an Urinary Olympiad here. So, let me reiterate that you're entitled to your opinion. I'm biased, so we'll let it go at that. We'll let people form their own opinion.lowendlinux said:
The good news is that Clover has made it easier to update OS X than previous methods. I haven't had to reinstall any kexts since using Clover & El Capitan 10.11.0. I only update some of the kexts as they mature.lowendlinux said:
I update my ASUS GENE motherboard's BIOS via the Internet from within the BIOS. This is HUGE capability for BIOS updating. Works great. I document my BIOS settings that I've changed from the default and optimum settings so that when I do update, I can change my BIOS settings are were reset by the update.
Concur! The initial investment is hours verse plug and play. However, to save money, you most of the time have to invest time.lowendlinux said:
So, if you're contemplating doing a hackintosh, you need to do your Due Diligence.
I won't deny that TMX86 has some jewels there are some gifted people there it's like the Ubuntu forums super smart mixed with droolers. The problem is if you want a community everyone has to have something to offer and in both places few do. If your avi is the same both places here and there you are one of the jewels who know more about hacking than most.
Clover makes it drop dead simple to create a hack it's probably one of the best things happen to the community since the X86 change but it has the Ubuntu effect, it's made users including myself dumber. I know Clover will auto patch and compensate for my failings while that makes hackintosh more approachable it means the community is less knowledgable which is fine if you're a big corporation but not so much if you're a community supported project. In the Linux world I can tell people to RTFM because there is a FM to read but since there are no doc's I have to answer the users who throw a temper tantrum.
I'm glad that you have been able to update your board, that doesn't mean other have had the same success when you veer from no questions answered TMX86 and Insanely Mac you find that folks are not as successful and they're real people with real problems.
I'm not a Unix hacker, I don't dislike hackintoshes and I won't steer people away but we as a community need to to be honest. If we say everything is unicorn farts and roses people will expect that and be disappointed.
Okay, so I'm looking through the motherboard section...
http://www.tonymacx86.com/buyersguide/april/2016#Motherboards
I'd like to get a motherboard that has....
-2 M.2 slots (windows boot, mac boot)
-2 processor support (two mounting locations)
-support for 4k at 60hz
Anyone know if such a motherboard exists, from a reputable company? I'd rather not go through board by board, if it can be avoided...
Preferably in full size ATX format (I'm going to convert an Old PowerMac G5 case I have from back in the day, using a laser hive conversion kit)
http://www.tonymacx86.com/buyersguide/april/2016#Motherboards
I'd like to get a motherboard that has....
-2 M.2 slots (windows boot, mac boot)
-2 processor support (two mounting locations)
-support for 4k at 60hz
Anyone know if such a motherboard exists, from a reputable company? I'd rather not go through board by board, if it can be avoided...
Preferably in full size ATX format (I'm going to convert an Old PowerMac G5 case I have from back in the day, using a laser hive conversion kit)
Im very curious how you could claim to know this.
Since there are no Pascal cards in the wild, how could you?
Nor has a web driver been issued to support them.
Pulled from a dark place with little sun exposure, perhaps?