I sure hope so.
It would be funny if 10.3 beta has no dark mode whatsoever and that Dickinson guy was just messing around. The meltdowns would be epic.
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I sure hope so.
It would be funny if 10.3 beta has no dark mode whatsoever and that Dickinson guy was just messing around. The meltdowns would be epic.
I still don't believe dark mode is coming until we get an OLED display. Dark mode will reduce battery life even more on current iPhones and then we will have a million more threads about battery life. Then there will be class action lawsuits because people are just stupid.
This argument keeps getting brought up to the point where it's nauseating me (and doubtless others) now.
It makes far more logical sense to get the groundwork for dark mode in place way ahead of WWDC and the September iPhone release, to allow as many devs to be on board for launch as possible.
1. Launch 10.3 with dark mode for stock Apple apps
2. Release API either immediately or at WWDC
3. Release OLED iPhone to really make use of the feature
Why is that concept so difficult for people's brains?
And what proof is there a dark mode reduces battery life? Tweetbot, Reeder, Reddit, Twitter and many other apps already offer this mode.
I feel the same way. I don't really think it would make sense to add a dark mode at this point, as much as I want it. Dark mode and OLED would make the new iPhones the best ever. Apple is probably testing dark mode for the OLED one, not this one.
If theater mode does exist, I'm assuming it's a setting on control center that configures settings for optimal video viewing on apps like Netflix, iTunes video, etc. So it could be something like sound booster, image enhancer, subtitle settings, etc etc.
He said there will be a "Theatre Mode" not a dark mode. For whatever reason, people think "Theatre Mode" is the Apple name for Dark Mode. If people have a meltdown about that, it's their own fault for making assumptions based on nothing.
I completely agree. I feel like 'Theatre Mode' would go hand-in-hand with the TV app.
Seriously? What proof is missing..? It is well known that OLED displays are more power friendly with dark UIs and IPS displays are more power friendly with light UIs. It does not make logically sense to start "beta testing" their own apps before WWDC. It will reduce battery life, that is a fact.
Totally. I'm not sure how people started linking Theater mode = Dark mode.
Does anyone know what caused people to assume theater mode = dark mode? Curious.
I think people thought it could be a feature that turns apps dark so it's less distracting when used in theatres.
Which would be the stupidest "feature" Apple could implement. No one should touch their phone when in a movie theatre.
This is a joke right?
https://www.androidpit.com/how-black-wallpaper-can-save-your-battery
http://www.greenbot.com/article/283...interface-really-save-on-amoled-displays.html
"Power consumption was down 41 percent overall compared with the full colour version, which is a pretty decent energy saving."
It has been known for almost a decade that dark UIs + OLED = Power savings.
IPS/LCD uses a backlight, OLED does not. That alone is proof enough..
You said that a dark mode on the current iPhone screen would cause battery drain - that is what I dispute. "Dark mode will reduce battery life even more on current iPhones and then we will have a million more threads about battery life."
I am asking for proof of THAT - not for proof that dark UI + OLED = power saving, which is quite obvious.
It's more of a joke you can't comprehend that and are trying to insinuate I said dark UIs on OLED cause battery drain. It's empirically clear that I didn't.
If you opened the link, it explains exactly why... An explanation why is proof, otherwise there would be nothing to explain.
"LCDs like the ones you find on the LG G3 or HTC One (M8) produces light with an LED backlight. The light shines through the pixels and into your eyeballs. In this case, a black pixel is simply one in which the pixel has turned opaque—it blocks all the light streaming in from the backlight. The backlight is still on just the same.
An AMOLED doesn't have a backlight at all. Instead, each little sub-pixel is like a tiny red, blue, or green colored light. If the screen is instructed to display black, it doesn't need to block any light, it simply doesn't light up any of the little colored sub-pixels."
Fine here is another source:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-black-is/
"CRT monitors, which until a few years ago were the predominant models among PC users, consume more power when a computer screen is white. To confirm this, Schindler measured the energy output of an 18-inch (45.7-centimeter) CRT monitor and found it used 102 watts when the screen was white but only 79 watts when the display was black.
This is not the case, however, with LCD monitors, which have no phosphors and represent the lion's share of every new monitored purchased in the developed world, including those used by laptops. Instead, LCD displays rely on an array of thin-tube fluorescent bulbs that provide a constant source of light to create a white screen. To make it black, LCDs rely on a diffuser to block this light. As a result, LCDs use more energy than CRTs to display a black screen. Measuring a 17-inch (43-centimeter) LCD monitor, Schindler found that white required 22.6 watts, while black came in a tad higher at 23.2 watts. With a 20-inch (50.8-centimeter) LCD, black required 6 percent more energy than white."
I can literally do this all day.
Why developers needs api for that? Think Twitter. They offer dark mode without problem.
Riiiiight. So would it be correct to presume that on a 5 inch LCD, black would require 1.4 percent more energy?
Knock me down with a feather, that's going to cause riots in the streets. For an optional feature as well. Your logic is watertight and awe-inspiring.
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An API to activate their mode with the system setting.
You are truly a class-act. That is one test. There is zero way to test an iPhone with a total dark UI verse a light UI. But guess what. I found you proof. It doesn't matter if it uses .01% more power, it uses more power.
Why do you think most OLED displays have dark UIs and most IPS/LCD have light UIs? You think the manufacturers are doing it for fun??
Who cares if it uses more power? Background app refresh uses more power. Push email uses more power.
Your argument has more holes than swiss cheese and you're splitting hairs.
SOME people want a dark mode, and they don't give a rats ass if it slices an infinitesimal amount off their battery life.
My argument has zero holes. Sorry you can't comprehend what my original argument was. I said dark UI uses more power on LCD/IPS. That is 100% Fact.
I'm afraid not buddy, the lack of comprehension is coming from your direction, not mine.
Dark UIs use an infinitesimally small amount more energy on LCD displays. Raise to wake drains energy. Push email drains energy. Having your phone on full brightness drains energy. Not having your phone on low power mode drains energy. Background app refresh drains energy. Most features drain energy to some degree.
People have this thing called choice, you know? Just because something "drains energy" does not mean it shouldn't be an option. Considering many, many apps, including Tweetbot, Reeder, Ulysses, Reddit, Spotify and more use Dark UIs, it is not some sort of apocalyptic issue. Furthermore, the feature would be OPTIONAL, not mandatory, so people like you who care about a minute amount of battery drain can just not use the dark mode.
For other people, who prefer to use their phones with a light-on-dark appearance, or don't want their retinas burned in bed even on minimum brightness, or simply prefer the aesthetic of HUD displays, it's a feature that people want heavily. It's appeared in Apple resources, it's been hinted at in Clock app refreshes and OLED phones are on the way.
You can't comprehend my argument, and you're being difficult for what I can only conceive is attention.
No, I'm sorry but this is ridiculous. You asked me for proof about my argument. My argument is "dark modes uses more power on light UI than dark UI." I then proceeded to provide proof that my argument is correct. Even if it uses .01% more power, my argument is correct. I never said how much power, I just said more power.
This is not about what people want or what choices people can have. You are bringing that up on your own. Maybe you should reread our posts.
I said:
"I still don't believe dark mode is coming until we get an OLED display. Dark mode will reduce battery life even more on current iPhones..."
You said:
"what proof is there a dark mode reduces battery life?"
I'm sorry that I proved you wrong, but to deflect the topic to people's choice is just wrong. You don't even have an argument. You have provided nothing to back up your stance that dark UI doesn't use more power on LCD/IPS.
I'm done with him. The fact that he deflected to 'people's choice' when that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand and then saying I'm not comprehending, is just wrong.