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The iOS 10.x.x Beta Speculation Thread
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The (quite substantial) user desire for a system-wide dark mode OPTION by using wafer thin logic that essentially dark mode on non-OLED screens impairs the battery life to roughly the same level as most iOS features.
Perhaps I should have been more clear when asking for proof that dark UIs drain battery substantially on LCDs. I'd have thought it went without saying that if it drained it to a minutely small degree in line with many other iOS features, that would be irrelevant to the discussion. You were implying that implementing it on non-OLED screens would cause, as you put it, "law suits", suggesting drastic battery drain.
But of course it's easy for you to pick holes in semantics when in reality, all you're doing is winding people up who are excited about a potential feature arriving they've wanted for a very long time.
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Okay so noted. I cannot have an opinion. Seems fair right? I don't understand what you don't get about my original post. Its truly amazing.
We have no way of testing how much it drains. It could be 1% it could be 10%. Its not possible to test at the current moment that would be a controlled scientific study. But we know for a fact that dark UI on IPS/LCD does use more power.
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Can you guys please stop? You're killing the vibe in this thread with your arguments. You both won, ok? Yay, that settles it.
Let's keep the fun speculation going!
This all started because of speculation. I said "I don't believe dark mode is coming until an OLED phone because ....." And apparently I am not allowed to do that? Sigh.
As you wish, changing topic back!
I hope 10.2.1 is out today. I'm craving an update (even though I am on 10.2.1B4 which is probably the final). lol
Let me sum the discussion up and we'll see if we can agree on the following:
1. Dark UIs on LCD screens drain battery life roughly in line with other iOS features like raise to wake, push email or background app refresh. This means there is no reason it cannot be introduced on non-OLED iPhones.
2. Just as Night Shift came in iOS 9.3 beta, a Dark/Theatre Mode could easily arrive for stock apps in 10.3 beta.
3. An API would not force any app or developer to adopt a dark mode, but would simply work in tandem with the core mode which would turn Messages, Mail, etc, light-on-dark. That could be introduced either immediately with the Dark Mode beta in 10.3 or as part of iOS 11 APIs at WWDC.
4. In September, the dark mode (already potentially at this point established not only in stock apps but third party ones as well) would be really shown off on the new OLED screen which (as you did point out correctly) causes battery improvements.
Do we agree on that? Or are you just going to be difficult for a bit of fun behind a computer screen somewhere?
Yay, I'm hoping we get at least a 10.2.1 update. I feel it's been ages since we got a beta release. I'm spoiled by now with weekly Monday beta releases haha
This is my last post because this is not the place and I want to be respectful to thatJohann:
1) That may be so, but its not revenant to the topic at hand. The only thing I mentioned was dark UI uses more power on IPS/LCD displays.
2) Yes, but again not relevant at the topic at hand; I never disputed that.
3) Again yes, but as I stated earlier, iOS 11/WWDC is more likely and someone else said that they wouldn't need to release this API for 3rd parties because they already have tools for dark mode apps.
4) Agree, but I truly believe that they will wait to show off dark mode at the September event, not even at WWDC to showcase a Jet Black iPhone 8 running dark mode.
I'm officially done with this topic.
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Unfortunately I agree with you as well. We won't get 10.3 before 10.2.1 at this point, unless 10.2.1 comes out in 7 minutes and 10.3 in 2 hours and 7 minutes. Seems very unlikely.
With that being said, I probably won't even install 10.3B1 on my devices until I know its stable. Last year 9.3B1 took my devices on a whirlwind. It wasn't until B3 that I decided to try it again.
Yeah I'll see if it's stable enough. iOS 10 betas have been pretty stable for now.
Very true. I haven't had a single problem with iOS 10 betas except for 10.1 beta 1. For whatever reason my devices did not like it. I ended up going back to 10.1.1 and waited until beta 2 to try again. Both my Air 2 and 7Plus would not stop "moving". My usage time and standby was identical on both devices and after many resets and hard resets I went back to 10.1.1 and all was fine. Something was definitely wrong.
You also suggested that the repercussions of that would cause "law suits", a gross overreaction.
Very relevant, because it shows Apple are not averse to releasing 'major' updates in point releases anymore.
They would need to release an API to automatically switch apps from light to dark mode depending on the system setting.
They will have plenty more to show off than a dark mode in September, namely the new OLED form factor iPhone and finished iOS 11. Hardly like a dark mode will need to wait until then- that is no less speculation than what you've accused me of.
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I'm guessing it will be another stupid feature. If theatre mode is truly dark mode, it will give people the wrong idea about using it in a theatre. I'm very concerned about that, so I am assuming Apple has thought about it.
I just thought of something!! What if the leak from Sonny was intentional with the 'theatre mode' and now Apple is studying the 20+ page theatre mode thread!
How?
Another good indicator (potentially) is if they release to the public channel. Typically if they stick to dev only for maybe up to b3 then its because they may be aware of some potential stability issue maybe not quite ready for public consumption. But if they release to pub channel like the next day, perhaps they deem it stable enough. But like you I usually wait on a x or x.x b1 until some feedback comes through. Of course a restore is always possible IF it is prohibitive. Just food for thought
How?
Another good indicator (potentially) is if they release to the public channel. Typically if they stick to dev only for maybe up to b3 then its because they may be aware of some potential stability issue maybe not quite ready for public consumption. But if they release to pub channel like the next day, perhaps they deem it stable enough. But like you I usually wait on a x or x.x b1 until some feedback comes through. Of course a restore is always possible IF it is prohibitive. Just food for thought
Yeah. But it just sucks having the Apple Watch and health data with all my streaks/achievements. I lost everything because of the bug in 10.1 (18 months worth of data) and I just hate the risk with early beta builds.
Right I remember that. I don't use either of those so restore is not a huge deal for me other than a little inconvenience to do it. Also I do alternate backups in iTunes and save versions so can easily go back if need be.
Yeah, I do the archiving and encrypted + iCloud, but as I learned the hard way, it doesn't always work. I'm now back over 100 days of my move goal and working to get all my achievements back. I typically test on my Air 2 first before risking my iPhone but idk what I was thinking with 10.1 with doing both at the same time. You live and you learn!
I just want a new beta to be released as soon as possible. My battery has gone viral from iOS 10.2.1 beta 3. Drains way faster than expected. Oh, the Beta 4 discussion thread is closed, maybe because OP don't want a wiki thread.
I hope iOS 10.3 beta could be released within two weeks.
I hope iOS 10.3 beta could be released within two weeks.
I feel that we will definitely get a release today. Idk whether it will be 10.3 or 10.2.1 but Apple is due. I'd personally guess a public release of 10.2.1 with 10.3 beta dropping tomorrow