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Any chance BasicGreatGuy can re-review Adamant? Ben Brooks seems to like it best in his latest tests. Although, he and the developer do work for the same company, a fact he doesn't address. :/
 

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Apple allowed content blockers only on 64-bit processors so thats 5s onwards. There are few open source codes available which you can compile yourself and side load on iphone 5.

Well that is dumb, but what can you do? I don't have a Mac either. I'll just suffer the advertisements.
 

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Got a wierd question - sent you the picture via twitter too. When I use only adblock multi my special page m.cuidad.com.ar doesn't show text saying e-planning.net ad, as soon as I turn on purify too its there again. Only using Purify shows them too - and idea?

https://twitter.com/tosla/status/649317363859460096/photo/1

That is pretty odd — I'm guessing Safari only uses one set of the hiding rules. Try turning them both off, turn on Purify, then the other one, and see if that seems to work.
 

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No. As soon as I turn on purify i get those texts again. Opens incredibly fast but the texts are there. Really wierd.

One more:
Yo gonna do testflight betas?
 

Apple_Robert

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Any chance BasicGreatGuy can re-review Adamant? Ben Brooks seems to like it best in his latest tests. Although, he and the developer do work for the same company, a fact he doesn't address. :/
I read Ben's latest content reviews post. And in my opinion, he is very biased towards Adamant. I also think his bar chart is meaningless (for all intent and purposes).

1) He doesn't use a control in his supposed upscale testing.
2) He refuses to disclose the website testing list.
3) He speaks of content blocking speed as if it wasn't relative, which it is, due to many variables.

Like his previous reviews, he seems to be all hung up on which content blocker is supposedly the fastest. Speed is not the most important factor, in my opinion.

All Cory did (the developer of Adamant) was tweak the blocking list and removed the in app upgrade feature. I don't consider either of those two things major upgrades, as happened with Purify ver. 1.1. As such, I don't think the app warrants a review update at this point in time.
 
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Any hints on whats to come for purify?

Slated for the next version of Purify:
  • Separating the social and comment toggles
  • Cookie-warning blocking option (in consideration: this might be made to be part of the "Ads and Tracking" option instead of a separate one — doesn't seem like anyone wants to see those cookie warnings; thoughts/feedback?)
  • 3D Touch support
And the next major release (1.2), so far:
  • Intelligent visual rule creator — so you can visually choose things to block from a page you're browsing, and Purify will automatically create the appropriate rules for you
  • Instant block-list updates from the backend neural network to everyone running the app.
 

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Slated for the next version of Purify:
  • Separating the social and comment toggles
  • Cookie-warning blocking option (in consideration: this might be made to be part of the "Ads and Tracking" option instead of a separate one — doesn't seem like anyone wants to see those cookie warnings; thoughts/feedback?)
  • 3D Touch support
And the next major release (1.2), so far:
  • Intelligent visual rule creator — so you can visually choose things to block from a page you're browsing, and Purify will automatically create the appropriate rules for you
  • Instant block-list updates from the backend neural network to everyone running the app.

The rule creator sounds simply awesome!

If you need a beta tester, I'm willing. :)
 

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  • Separating the social and comment toggles
  • Cookie-warning blocking option (in consideration: this might be made to be part of the "Ads and Tracking" option instead of a separate one — doesn't seem like anyone wants to see those cookie warnings; thoughts/feedback?)
I'd say that you should never group the toggles. Let the user decide if he wants to block tracking, ads, etc. Some seem to only want the cookie warning and tracking, others just the ads and tracking, and others everything. Not enabling all the toggles might also result in a bit better performance (there are less options to check). You could by default have the ads, tracking and cookie-warning toggles set to enabled though.
 
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I read Ben's latest content reviews post. And in my opinion, he is very biased towards Adamant. I also think his bar chart is meaningless (for all intent and purposes).

1) He doesn't use a control in his supposed upscale testing.
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2) He refuses to disclose the website testing list.
That was explained earlier. He stopped publishing the list so the developers cannot cheat by tuning their blocklists specifically to perform well in his benchmark (Volkswagen Diesel style :p).
3) He speaks of content blocking speed as if it wasn't relative, which it is, due to many variables.

Like his previous reviews, he seems to be all hung up on which content blocker is supposedly the fastest. Speed is not the most important factor, in my opinion
I agree, but it seems a lot of the discussion here and over in your review thread is primarily about (perceived) speed too ...
All Cory did (the developer of Adamant) was tweak the blocking list and removed the in app upgrade feature. I don't consider either of those two things major upgrades, as happened with Purify ver. 1.1. As such, I don't think the app warrants a review update at this point in time.
Well, the blocklist determines how well a blocker works, so a list update can make a big difference, especially now in the early days as devs learn how to optimize their lists to work well with the Safari content blocker system.
 

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Nice of you to join us, Ben.

I have 1Blocker and there are a lot of things I like about it.

I know you like it but, there are many here, who aren't interested in tweaking the settings all the time, or building their own custom rules. As such, 1Blocker may not be the best fit for their needs and ability.
 
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That was explained earlier. He stopped publishing the list so the developers cannot cheat by tuning their blocklists specifically to perform well in his benchmark (Volkswagen Diesel style :p).
I agree, but it seems a lot of the discussion here and over in your review thread is primarily about (perceived) speed too ...
Well, the blocklist determines how well a blocker works, so a list update can make a big difference, especially now in the early days as devs learn how to optimize their lists to work well with the Safari content blocker system.
I agree, that there does seem to be a lot of people here focused a lot on the speed aspect of the content blockers. And when one gets myopic in one's thinking, a lot of other important factors and considerations often get missed. And it is that aspect that Ben focuses on too much, in my opinion.

In regards to the site names being withheld, I think that is a bit overboard, especially when touting a relative subject as speed. In my opinion, letting developers know of problems with website display and rendering helps us all. And withholding the site names so the speed test aren't skewed (when they are flawed from the start) doesn't send the right kind of message, in my opinion.

I get that Ben is catering to a different niche group than me, and that is fine. He and I go about things differently.
 

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I agree, that there does seem to be a lot of people here focused a lot on the speed aspect of the content blockers. And when one gets myopic in one's thinking, a lot of other important factors and considerations often get missed. And it is that aspect that Ben focuses on too much, in my opinion.

In regards to the site names being withheld, I think that is a bit overboard, especially when touting a relative subject as speed. In my opinion, letting developers know of problems with website display and rendering helps us all. And withholding the site names so the speed test aren't skewed (when they are flawed from the start) doesn't send the right kind of message, in my opinion.

I get that Ben is catering to a different niche group than me, and that is fine. He and I go about things differently.

He has an issue with Crystal and their new ad scheme, but he has no issue reviewing a product by a co-worker. Conflict of interest in ad blocking, a big no-no in his book. Conflict of interest in his review, a big yes-yes in his book.
 
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Apple_Robert

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He has an issue with Crystal and their new ad scheme, but he has no issue reviewing a product by a co-worker. Conflict of interest in ad blocking, a big no-no in his book. Conflict of interest in his review, a big yes-yes in his book.
Whether he worked with the developer of Adamant or not didn't bother me. I just think he showed some bias in his review. Others may disagree with me, and that is fine.

I don't want the thread to become some kind of Ben versus BGG debate or contest about reviews. I have nothing against Ben. I disagree with his focus and some of his presentation. I am sure many could say the same about me.

The main purpose of my reply to the one asking for a follow-up review, was to state that I didn't think a major update had been implemented with Adamant. It was also to show that reviews (by anyone) are not something one should hang his or her hat on. They can be used a peripheral tools (such as they are). They should not replace one doing one's own research and testing, especially when one is considering making a purchase. In my opinion, too many people get hung up on numbers and look to specific sites or people to tell them that they should or shouldn't do, or whether or not a product or app is good. And if people aren't careful, they can miss out on good apps, by being lazy or relying on someone else's opinion more than they should.
 

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I agree, that there does seem to be a lot of people here focused a lot on the speed aspect of the content blockers. And when one gets myopic in one's thinking, a lot of other important factors and considerations often get missed. And it is that aspect that Ben focuses on too much, in my opinion.
Well, I guess this is in part because speed is one of the things that are easy to measure. A tester can only use a limited amount of sites, so getting a truly representative sample of the "blocking power" is difficult. What remains are speed and customization options.

One of the most important aspects IMO hasn't been addressed at all so far: How well does a blocker stop invisible trackers? Many devs will focus on the obvious results, so it's possible that some blockers let more trackers through than they should. It's difficult but not impossible to test (e.g. one could set up an HTTP proxy or use Wireshark to see if there are still requests going out for well known trackers).
 
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