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The iPhone from an Android Perspective

Technerd108

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seabreeze02 said:
People always complain about me writing LONG posts but I always do. I'm a talker. So only a couple more months of the iphone15? I need one by Nov. So that would work. I don't want to cheap out on my phone and I totally forgot about the macs and retina! And I guess I really never knew what that even meant. Since I've only had macs, I have nothing to compare to but I do like my mac laptop and husband has a desktop. And yes, it's funny that he still has a flip phone!!! Surprisingly, it takes really GOOD pictures when we're out riding the horses. Stills. People always comment and say - "this is off your flip phone??"
But I would like the compatibility port so I think I will wait for the iphone 15 to come out and go with that. And stay with mac laptops as well.
I still feel that macs are more "secure" and most people with PC's will argue that point.
I"ve never been hacked and they've tried! I fell into an email I got about norton lifelock which I've never had ever. He was trying to get me to type in something to let into my terminal!! I finally got super uncomfortable and hung up and cleared out my cache and history but my terminal kept writing back, FAILED. So he was NOT able to hack into my mac computer!
I actually called norton lifelock directly and got the same out of the country rep. who tried to get me to allow him access to my terminal. Hung up on him as well.
But the one tried to keep me on the phone so that he could gain access and he never did.
OK. so I'll wait for the iphone 15 - sounds like a good choice for me. Thanks for all your help - you were very helpful!!!
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No worries. Glad you found my comments useful.

I don't get the tribalism behind phones and computers. Use what you like best.

I think sticking to a Mac and iPhone is a wise choice. I look at cost of ownership over the life I own something. So you have had your Mac for 6 years and may keep it for 8. That breaks down to around $15 a month if you paid $1500 new. Not bad.

Windows has gotten a lot better security wise. The difference really comes down to how the two OS work. Mac is little more secure when it comes to automated software or installation without you doing anything.

If I had someone trying to gain access to my terminal through my internet connection I would do a few things afterwards. If you use a wireless router. It would probably be a good idea to change the password. Turn your router on and off. Make sure your Mac has the firewall enabled. Make sure you clear your browsing history, cookies and clear the cache. I would probably check to make sure there were no new apps on my Mac. You are smart. No one should ever need access to the terminal unless it is a verified Apple employee doing tech support through a call you initiated to Apple or through a support app.

Never click on links in an email. Always go to the website in the email independently by typing it in. Same with texts. Never install anything in a browser that you didn't start yourself and never through a warning to update anything.

Mac's currently getting updates are very secure but anyone can get hacked or inadvertently install malware if they are not careful no matter the OS.

I thought I was a hold out several years ago when my ex wife had an iPhone and I still had a flip phone probably around iPhone 4 or earlier. Lol

Like I said use what you like. I did like the way you would open a flip phone and the angle you used it as a phone seemed more natural. Also the external antenna was nice but now I couldn't go anywhere without navigation apps.

Good luck whatever you end up with!
 
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seabreeze02 said:
so I'm trying to decide which phone to get next. I have a macbook air for computer but with the price mac - I'm not sure I would go with mac again even tho that's all I have EVER had and I'm 62 years old! I'm just used to it but.... with inflation on everything, I might go with a PC when my macbook air is finished. Going to be a hard decision tho. But for phone - I've always had androids but seems like everyone around me has iphones now. My main concern is a good camera, good video - easy to use with great quality. I go to Keith Urban concerts and I want GREAT video quality. Right now I have a galaxy A52 and no complaints but just wondering if the iphones have better camera quality? I have googled and read that androids have better quality. I can't do any face time on my android but I have never needed it. IF I end up with a PC laptop, I hear using an iphone to transfer pics and videos is a nightmare. I found a way to do it using my android onto a Mac by just using dropbox with a USB cable. Very easy. I don't ever plan on an iwatch (or whatever they call it). My phone battery lasts me a long time. I see others with iphones at the concerts and they seem to have a portable charger with them. which makes me wonder if their phone goes dead fast doing videos?? Thanks for any input and advice.....
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Look at Apple refurbs, a base M1 or M2 Air. A high end Windows laptop isn't going to cost less than a Mac. And the hardware reliability, battery life is very hit-or-miss, at least with Mac you know what you're getting.
 
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I know a lot of us here have iPhones as well as androids. I picked up a 15 PM coming from a 13 PM. It’s pretty much the same thing, no big surprises. Dynamic island is nice as is USB C. The only really big thing, that doesn’t seem like it would be major, is the switch to titanium. The phone feels considerably lighter and better in hand than the 13 PM. Way more comfortable to use.

Otherwise, it’s another iPhone. No major difference. I haven’t had time to test cameras yet so there may be some considerable improvements there as well.
 
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Awesomesince86 said:
I know a lot of us here have iPhones as well as androids. I picked up a 15 PM coming from a 13 PM. It’s pretty much the same thing, no big surprises. Dynamic island is nice as is USB C. The only really big thing, that doesn’t seem like it would be major, is the switch to titanium. The phone feels considerably lighter and better in hand than the 13 PM. Way more comfortable to use.

Otherwise, it’s another iPhone. No major difference. I haven’t had time to test cameras yet so there may be some considerable improvements there as well.
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What did you expect?

It kind of makes me laugh. For at least 2 years I have been hearing over and over how 3nm a17 is going to be so much better than a15 or a16.

It kind of really got on my nerves. A 1-2nm difference in process will always make a difference because it is physics but the difference is often times greatly exaggerated.

The a series chips are not going to see major gains year over year at least not right now.

So that leaves us with a better camera system and an additional 2x zoom for a total of 5x zoom. So many people down play this and say well Samsung has had 10x for so many years. I say so what? 5 x zoom is finally a decent enough zoom for it to take better shots. Along with Apple optics I am pretty sure the camera will be a major deal once it gets some real world use.

You have USB C which is a pretty big deal too.

Titanium was a risky move. Apple always seems to cheap out in areas they shouldn't. Like there are ways to harden Titanium against scratches. Citizen and Seiko have been using hardened titanium cases in watches for years. Without a hardening process Titanium is probably softer than Aluminum so it will scratch like crazy. I said this was going to happen in a thread where they announced the Ti frame.

I think Apple went with Titanium to justify a price increase rather than the best material. I honestly don't see what benefits Titanium has in a phone over Aluminum? Yes Titanium is a stronger material but Aluminum is already strong enough. Aluminum is much cheaper and easier to work with. Samsung has Aluminum Armor to harden the Aluminum against scratches. Apple should just have used something like that. Would have kept costs down, been more resistant to scratches and lighter than steel.

Whoever chose Titanium has never actually used it in the field. It is a great metal. Hypoallergenic, temperature neutral, super strong, doesn't rust, super light. BUT it is also despite its strength a super soft to surface scratches type of metal.
 
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Technerd108 said:
What did you expect?

I think Apple went with Titanium to justify a price increase rather than the best material. I honestly don't see what benefits Titanium has in a phone over Aluminum? Yes Titanium is a stronger material but Aluminum is already strong enough. Aluminum is much cheaper and easier to work with. Samsung has Aluminum Armor to harden the Aluminum against scratches. Apple should just have used something like that. Would have kept costs down, been more resistant to scratches and lighter than steel.

Whoever chose Titanium has never actually used it in the field. It is a great metal. Hypoallergenic, temperature neutral, super strong, doesn't rust, super light. BUT it is also despite its strength a super soft to surface scratches type of metal.
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Not so much a price increase *now* as continuing to justify their price increase on the flagships that started with the X. Going back to aluminum now would seem 'cheap' as they'd be made of the same poor people material that almost every other Apple product is made of.

The Ti on the AW Ultra has been mostly fine for me - it dings about like any other watch, but after a year mine largely looks unblemished. That said, phones are handled much differently than a watch.
 
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Technerd108 said:
What did you expect?

It kind of makes me laugh. For at least 2 years I have been hearing over and over how 3nm a17 is going to be so much better than a15 or a16.

It kind of really got on my nerves. A 1-2nm difference in process will always make a difference because it is physics but the difference is often times greatly exaggerated.

The a series chips are not going to see major gains year over year at least not right now.

So that leaves us with a better camera system and an additional 2x zoom for a total of 5x zoom. So many people down play this and say well Samsung has had 10x for so many years. I say so what? 5 x zoom is finally a decent enough zoom for it to take better shots. Along with Apple optics I am pretty sure the camera will be a major deal once it gets some real world use.

You have USB C which is a pretty big deal too.

Titanium was a risky move. Apple always seems to cheap out in areas they shouldn't. Like there are ways to harden Titanium against scratches. Citizen and Seiko have been using hardened titanium cases in watches for years. Without a hardening process Titanium is probably softer than Aluminum so it will scratch like crazy. I said this was going to happen in a thread where they announced the Ti frame.

I think Apple went with Titanium to justify a price increase rather than the best material. I honestly don't see what benefits Titanium has in a phone over Aluminum? Yes Titanium is a stronger material but Aluminum is already strong enough. Aluminum is much cheaper and easier to work with. Samsung has Aluminum Armor to harden the Aluminum against scratches. Apple should just have used something like that. Would have kept costs down, been more resistant to scratches and lighter than steel.

Whoever chose Titanium has never actually used it in the field. It is a great metal. Hypoallergenic, temperature neutral, super strong, doesn't rust, super light. BUT it is also despite its strength a super soft to surface scratches type of metal.
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I've owned two titanium watches. Never again.
Unless the surface has been hardened with a process such as Citizen's Duratect they're just a scratch magnet.
 
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Technerd108 said:
What did you expect?

It kind of makes me laugh. For at least 2 years I have been hearing over and over how 3nm a17 is going to be so much better than a15 or a16.

It kind of really got on my nerves. A 1-2nm difference in process will always make a difference because it is physics but the difference is often times greatly exaggerated.

The a series chips are not going to see major gains year over year at least not right now.

So that leaves us with a better camera system and an additional 2x zoom for a total of 5x zoom. So many people down play this and say well Samsung has had 10x for so many years. I say so what? 5 x zoom is finally a decent enough zoom for it to take better shots. Along with Apple optics I am pretty sure the camera will be a major deal once it gets some real world use.

You have USB C which is a pretty big deal too.

Titanium was a risky move. Apple always seems to cheap out in areas they shouldn't. Like there are ways to harden Titanium against scratches. Citizen and Seiko have been using hardened titanium cases in watches for years. Without a hardening process Titanium is probably softer than Aluminum so it will scratch like crazy. I said this was going to happen in a thread where they announced the Ti frame.

I think Apple went with Titanium to justify a price increase rather than the best material. I honestly don't see what benefits Titanium has in a phone over Aluminum? Yes Titanium is a stronger material but Aluminum is already strong enough. Aluminum is much cheaper and easier to work with. Samsung has Aluminum Armor to harden the Aluminum against scratches. Apple should just have used something like that. Would have kept costs down, been more resistant to scratches and lighter than steel.

Whoever chose Titanium has never actually used it in the field. It is a great metal. Hypoallergenic, temperature neutral, super strong, doesn't rust, super light. BUT it is also despite its strength a super soft to surface scratches type of metal.
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It’s exactly what I expected, just giving a quick summary for those that might be upgrading and don’t venture into the iPhone portion of the forums.

I think the moves to titanium is smart as long as whatever costing they use for coloring doesn’t come off easily. That would be a big problem. The fingerprint issues being discussed are overblown. I’m a case guy, but these feel infinitely better in hand than last years.
 
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Awesomesince86 said:
It’s exactly what I expected, just giving a quick summary for those that might be upgrading and don’t venture into the iPhone portion of the forums.

I think the moves to titanium is smart as long as whatever costing they use for coloring doesn’t come off easily. That would be a big problem. The fingerprint issues being discussed are overblown. I’m a case guy, but these feel infinitely better in hand than last years.
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I couldnt care less about it being Titanium. Ive had plastic, Aluminum, removable backs.I always put a case on them so im not concerned with how it feels in my hand. The case provides that.
 
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Vegastouch said:
I couldnt care less about it being Titanium. Ive had plastic, Aluminum, removable backs.I always put a case on them so im not concerned with how it feels in my hand. The case provides that.
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I would actually enjoy a move to go back to some kind of plastic back phones. It would help in the grip and make them more durable.
 
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Let’s not get carried away with plastic phones now ….and this titanium is obviously frame but for those that carry phones naked I feel the Max is not the best choice …I’ve handled my iPhone 12 Pro no issues without a case
 
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sunking101 said:
It absolutely will. Just plastic looks cheap when scratched up.
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Everything looks bad scratched up. Lol.

It seems Apple is using a PVD coating to protect the Ti from scratching. However on dark finishes it seems to scratch easily regardless.

Again though people are making a huge deal out of nothing because Aluminum is pretty close in softness and everyone has been using Aluminum phones for years and it was considered a premium material until recently. So if people are already aware of how to handle soft Aluminum then they should know how to handle Titanium.

The problem as I see it is that Apple should have used some process to harden the Titanium. PVD is a tough coating but it will scratch on stainless steel so a soft metal doesn't have a chance.

From a durability perspective Titanium should be a lot better Aluminum and just slightly less than stainless steel while being several times lighter.
 
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Vegastouch said:
I couldnt care less about it being Titanium. Ive had plastic, Aluminum, removable backs.I always put a case on them so im not concerned with how it feels in my hand. The case provides that.
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I didn't use a case with my 4s, 5s, 6s+ and 8+ because I hated how much thicker it made them, plus they just felt "nicer" to hold in the hand without one. I resorted to a clear case on my 13 pro max because of the square edges, and the 15 pro max seems to continue the trend of the phone being comfortable enough to hold in the hand without needing a case. I can see why Apple went with titanium. The reduction in weight, together with the shift in centre of gravity, apparently all come together to make it feel lighter than what would otherwise seem on paper.
 
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