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Apple Podcasts has just debased itself. Inclusivity doesn't have to and shouldn't extend to conspiracy theorists and spreaders of misinformation. Who's next, Cook? Andrew Tate? So what if these guys are toxic. All that matters is profits, right?
 
So it's actually a parody of journalism then? That actually would make some sense. Maybe he is a genius after all.
You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about nor listened to a single episode. 2/3 of his episodes are with actors, comedians and MMA people. Maybe a third at best are with “controversial” people. Do some research. It’ll help.
 
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Joe is only part of the problem. The real issue is he invites controversial people to legitimise them for personal gain. Imagine this is still 1930s and Joe Rogan is having beer podcasts with Nazi Sympathisers. Do you feel that should be promoted in name of free speech?
Yeah because others never ever exploit for personal gain….😒
 
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I'm not saying you're wrong, but do you think a public figure with a huge platform should feel any responsibility about what he or she says or promotes?

Like even 0.0001% responsibility?

Or is it just a free for all no matter what consequences our actions have?

Not picking a fight, I'm genuinely curious.
Yes. And rap artists should feel responsible for promoting violence, drug use, and other degenerate behavior.
 
Best I can tell, Joe likes having conversations with people. You may not like the people on his show, or you may not like Joe’s personality, but he is quite popular nonetheless. I am a videoclip watcher more than an episode watcher - I don’t find interest in most of the guests.

And, speaking to the “disinformation” haters: you should be more disgusted with the education system which ceased training students to think, let alone think critically. Generation after generation is being stripped of their greatest power: free thought and free choice. Censorial behavior only further cements ignorance in the populace.
Exactly. The same reason they don’t teach basic finance to kids. How would all the banks make their interest ?! 🤣
 
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I'm not saying you're wrong, but do you think a public figure with a huge platform should feel any responsibility about what he or she says or promotes?

Like even 0.0001% responsibility?

Or is it just a free for all no matter what consequences our actions have?

Not picking a fight, I'm genuinely curious.
You could literally apply your logic to ANYTHING. Nice try. Now do the press, presidents, governments , every business including Apple. ANYTHING!!!
 
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You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about nor listened to a single episode. 2/3 of his episodes are with actors, comedians and MMA people. Maybe a third at best are with “controversial” people. Do some research. It’ll help.
You're right. I only listened to a handful of episodes. But I still think that when you invite someone with very controversial views, you should at least do some homework, try to be impartial, and challenge those views in a respectful way.
 
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I've never listened to the guy, and I don't have an interest in it. I know a lot of people have strong opinions about Joe Rogan, and that's fine either way.

What concerns me is how quickly we are willing to silence people with differing viewpoints or opinions. YOUR version of the truth isn't necessarily the truth. I can remember when it was a virtue to be classically liberal in regards to free speech. I think we've moved way past that at this point.

Used to be we let the quacks clammer on and make fools of themselves. The marketplace of ideas would eventually weed them out and relegate them to obscurity.

Alas, I don't think the goal these days is to get to the truth, but simply to keep power and money. Everything is tribal anymore, and people just want to win. Even if they are wrong, and the consequences be damned.

It's odd to live through the fall of an empire and be sentient to it. It seems to be accelerating at an ever increasing pace.
 
Fantastic news. No longer any need for Spotify.

Prediction. Not a single individual - whining like a seven year old kid who has been told they can't have another lollipop - complaining about the fact this podcast is back on Apple will be impacted whatsoever, and nor will they follow up their vapid and inconsequential opinions with any action at all.
Same! Goodbye Spotify.
 
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I don't understand all the vitriol towards Rogan. I don't agree with everything he says or does, but silencing dissenting opinions isn't a good idea. It's a podcast, there are thousands if not millions of podcasts you could choose to listen to or not listen to.

No one was trying to silence him by taking him off of other platforms. He had an exclusive deal with Spotify.
 
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No thanks. Just a couple weeks ago he lied on air and spread misinformation about the current president, and then when corrected by his own staff pulled the classic “oh well I dunno about that.”

Differences of opinion are fine, but stop LYING.
Out of curiosity, what was the lie?

--- (unrelated rant below)

I'm not a regular Rogan viewer, although his guest list is truly impressive. Every time I try to figure out what kind of horrible medical misinformation, racism, transphobia etc. he spreads, I find lots of handwavey articles that he "has a history" of saying bad things, "experts agree" he's doing it all the time!! Yet somehow it takes a lot of digging to even find the concrete things he personally said or supported, and they‘re always boring.

As an example, this article has aged like fine milk: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56948665

Oh no, deadly podcast man said that young people shouldn't get vaccinated (and even walked back on that!). That's what several governments have said shortly after: No Moderna for people under 30 because of the myocarditis thing, you know, the former far-right conspiracy theory. Also, "top US infectious disease expert Dr Anthony Fauci repeated guidance from experts that unvaccinated, asymptomatic people can still transmit Covid-19." Yeah, like vaccinated people, but I guess that was also still misinformation at this particular point in time. Has Rogan been wrong about things, sure. We can play tit-for-tat with statements and predictions all day. But this is clearly only about dominance over public discourse.
 
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Now you too can listen to an unfunny pretend comedian boomer who can’t decipher what’s real & what’s not on the internet rant about vaccines & covid in 2024 .
Don’t know if he’s any of those other things, have never listened to him, but do know he’s not a boomer. Most people flinging that around are ignorant of what it means.
 
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Don’t know if he’s any of those other things, have never listened to him, but do know he’s not a boomer. Most people flinging that around are ignorant of what it means.

They’re only off by 3 years chronologically but very accurate for behavior.
 
I've never listened to the guy, and I don't have an interest in it. I know a lot of people have strong opinions about Joe Rogan, and that's fine either way.

What concerns me is how quickly we are willing to silence people with differing viewpoints or opinions. YOUR version of the truth isn't necessarily the truth. I can remember when it was a virtue to be classically liberal in regards to free speech. I think we've moved way past that at this point.

Used to be we let the quacks clammer on and make fools of themselves. The marketplace of ideas would eventually weed them out and relegate them to obscurity.

Alas, I don't think the goal these days is to get to the truth, but simply to keep power and money. Everything is tribal anymore, and people just want to win. Even if they are wrong, and the consequences be damned.

It's odd to live through the fall of an empire and be sentient to it. It seems to be accelerating at an ever increasing pace.

There are not multiple versions of the truth.
 
I don't understand all the vitriol towards Rogan. I don't agree with everything he says or does, but silencing dissenting opinions isn't a good idea. It's a podcast, there are thousands if not millions of podcasts you could choose to listen to or not listen to.
I have no idea of anything he has said, could care less, but things like this make this mexican (in the us) say screw both sides. I will in no way get behind silencing differing opinions

I’m sure spotify will decide to drop him so the handfull of pouting children claiming to quit will come back. Are people so insecure of their opinion that they think it can’t compete with other’s?
 
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I have no idea of anything he has said, could care less, but things like this make this mexican (in the us) say screw both sides. I will in no way get behind silencing differing opinions

I’m sure spotify will decide to drop him so the handfull of pouting children claiming to quit will come back. Are people so insecure of their opinion that they think it can’t compete with other’s?


No one is silencing Rogan. There is no free speech issue in this case.
 
He’s very good at his job. Which makes it even more dangerous.
Kids come for good interviews with rockstars and actors, the next week there’s a neofascist, a climate change denialist, an antivax, some other conspiracist.
All in the name of “listening to both sides”. So if someone is pro-child-molesting, should we broadcast their opinion or can we draw a line somewhere?
So you are comparing stuff that may be disgusting but legal to the worst illegal crime Short of murder? Great argument.
 
There are not multiple versions of the truth.
There isn't but I think the point they were trying to make is that most people hemming and hawing are not "lying", but that they believe in what they are saying, and that discussions will bring us closer to the singular truth.

A dream that I'm losing in faith in coming true
 
No one is silencing Rogan. There is no free speech issue in this case.
I did not say there is. Since congress is passing no law there wouldn’t be anyway.

Make no mistake, there will be an effort to get him silenced (on spotify) by extremists. By boycotting, which won’t work, but an effort will be there to silence him. Some have already posted dropping spotify because they can’t just not listen to him.

As I have posted, I have never heard anything by him.
 
And that weird clip downplaying JK Rowlings transphobia is strange...especially because it's creating a hypothetical gotcha scenario that Ben Shapiro loves to do.
Yeah fair enough, removed that part because JKR feels a bit off topic here anyway. (If anyone is curious, you made a backup in your quote.) It probably just resonated with me because I‘m personally surrounded by clones of the "invisible student".

Edit: And thanks for the pointers.
 
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