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DMG35

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Do you find the iPhone lineup confusing as well?










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HNfan

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I really don't know what Apple was thinking here. They clearly only released this iPad because they feel like they have to release a new device every year for each product category. I just don't understand why they released this.

I guess I really don't know what the M2 iPad Pro is or who its for. Apple has made some pointless updates before, but this one might be the most pointless update they've ever made. There is literally zero difference between this model and the M1 iPad Pro. The M2 is not going to be faster than the M1 but literally maybe 1 or 2 seconds when doing heavy video work. There is no improvement in battery life, no improvement in the screen, no improvement in front facing camera...Hover is simply a software feature that Apple could turn on for the other iPads, but of course they won't.

There isn't a single redeeming quality about this device that makes it an appealing buy. And I love Apple products and upgrade pretty often when I feel its warranted. The 2021 model with mini LED was enough for me to upgrade from the 2018 model, so its not like I keep devices long term to squeeze every drop of usage out of them. I like giving Apple my money for upgrades, when they are worthy. The M2 iPad has got to be the laziest iPad Apple has ever released, and that includes the much maligned iPad 3. I mean they tout pro res video but its not even capable without a 3rd party app. Its a total mess of a product.

Even the 11" model, which I don't even use, is comically bad. Apple again used a cheaper screen in that model to try and push people to the larger device. Its ridiculous that they don't put the same screen hardware in both models but still call both models "Pro."

In summary, the M2 iPad Pro will go down as the worst upgrade Apple has ever done with the iPads. And before everyone starts saying "Well its not designed for M1 users," yes I know. Anyone coming from a non-M1 iPad shouldn't buy this either. They should just buy an M1 iPad Pro because you are getting literally the exact same device for far less money. Its a bad product and Apple only released this because they felt like they had to. Its lazy and buy this time next year it will have been the absolute worst buy of any Apple product as it will be replaced with a proper update. I love Apple and their products, but the iPad line has become a complete mess and that is too bad, because its one of my favorite things Apple makes.
I know right? It’s sad. On the other hand, I am still using my iPad Pro 9.7 original. Can’t believe it still gets iPadOS updates 6 ½ years after release. It actually still works pretty good. Hate the Apple Pencil 1 though.
 
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RogerDoger2801

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The M2 update was definitely a bummer (all I wanted was a landscape camera!) but it was a great excuse to upgrade my 1st gen (!) iPad Pro to an M1 when Amazon had their recent sale and I’m loving it. We didn’t get what we wanted but I got a great deal on an iPad with a lovely screen and significantly more storage and Apple Pencil 2 support. And I can feel less guilty (a number of years down the line) about upgrading sooner than I otherwise would have because I got a killer deal on a major upgrade now. There’s always a silver lining!
 

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And I could go on and on. Thank you.
That just means that everyone’s come to the realization that saying the iPad is “confusing” will get them clicks. :) It doesn’t even matter if they actually feel that way, they’re gonna type it because the crew of folks that feel the same will copy and paste their links all across the internet. That exposure is quite important to them.
 

rkuo

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Lol it’s not a lot better. That’s the point. It’s barely noticeable difference over the 2020 model and isn’t noticeable over the 2021.
Trolling? M1 is 50% faster single core, about 60% faster multi core vs A12Z. I don't see how you justify stating it's barely noticeable.
 
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DMG35

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That just means that everyone’s come to the realization that saying the iPad is “confusing” will get them clicks. :) It doesn’t even matter if they actually feel that way, they’re gonna type it because the crew of folks that feel the same will copy and paste their links all across the internet. That exposure is quite important to them.

Lol Ok.
 
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They come out with a new model car every year that's mostly the same as the year before. We don't call those new models pointless. There's just no reason to buy a new car every year, just like there's no reason to buy a new iPad every year. They upgraded the processor. That's not a BAD thing to do. No, it's not going to make people that already have last year's model buy a new one, but that's not what its supposed to do. The people that haven't bought a new iPad in 4-5 years will get a better processor than they would have if they hadn't upgraded it. Where's the negative to that?
 
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Unregistered 4U

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Yeah, that’s how the internet works. Especially the ad supported “free” internet. I’d expect that most folks knew that by now. For example, if imore did NOT have a story about the iPad lineup being a mess, you wouldn’t have copied it here. :) Combining your efforts with many others, it’s ended up on the first page of searches for “ipad confusing” so I’d say they did a good job with their headline.
 

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my 2010 i7 860 windows desktop still serves my needs. I also have a m1 ipad.
 

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And I could go on and on. Thank you.
Yeah, good job completely avoiding my question and not furthering the discussion at all. Thank you.
 

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Since OP doesn't want to have any sort of back-and-forth, I guess I'll just shout into the void with a few of my thoughts on the topic.

I think the iPad lineup itself, at its core, is relatively straightforward. It's a story of gradual upsell in the same way that the iPhone lineup is. Every $100 gets you a small handful of extra features, and it's easy to find yourself having climbed the pricing ladder all the way to the top. You go from good -> better -> even better -> best with gradual increases is pricing as you climb from the 9th-gen to the 10th-gen iPad, then to the Air, and finally to the Pros. There are some feature gaps that are relatively small, like the $449 iPad to the $599 Air, and some sidesteps like the niche iPad mini, but I think on the whole it's a spectrum of features with a spectrum of prices that align well. One distinction from the iPhone lineup is that there are a lot of models that are out of sync with regards to update timing, and that can leave to some awkward gaps. One instance is the base model iPad having been just redesigned and switching its selfie camera to landscape, which the other models will presumably follow suit with, but the Pro won't be redesigned until its next generation. That's a little confusing, but it's not the end of the world to me.

What's way more confusing and disjointed than the iPad lineup, to me, is the accessories that pair with those iPads. Two pencils with three different connection methods, and the necessitation of a dongle to connect the seven-year-old Pencil to the two-week-old iPad. That's weird. It's also strange that the keyboard accessory for the $449 iPad is a. different than and b. objectively better in some ways than the keyboard accessory that the vastly more expensive iPads use. One might assume that the 'Pros' would've liked a larger trackpad and a row of function keys, and yet that keyboard remains hampered without that functionality.

I guess you could argue that by extension of the accessories, since they are such a critical part of the iPad experience, the iPad lineup itself is confusing. But I thought it was important to make that distinction. I'm ready to be barraged with links again! :)
 
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rkuo

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Since OP doesn't want to have any sort of back-and-forth, I guess I'll just shout into the void with a few of my thoughts on the topic.

I think the iPad lineup itself, at its core, is relatively straightforward. It's a story of gradual upsell in the same way that the iPhone lineup is. Every $100 gets you a small handful of extra features, and it's easy to find yourself having climbed the pricing ladder all the way to the top. You go from good -> better -> even better -> best with gradual increases is pricing as you climb from the 9th-gen to the 10th-gen iPad, then to the Air, and finally to the Pros. There are some feature gaps that are relatively small, like the $449 iPad to the $599 Air, and some sidesteps like the niche iPad mini, but I think on the whole it's a spectrum of features with a spectrum of prices that align well. One distinction from the iPhone lineup is that there are a lot of models that are out of sync with regards to update timing, and that can leave to some awkward gaps. One instance is the base model iPad having been just redesigned and switching its selfie camera to landscape, which the other models will presumably follow suit with, but the Pro won't be redesigned until its next generation. That's a little confusing, but it's not the end of the world to me.

What's way more confusing and disjointed than the iPad lineup, to me, is the accessories that pair with those iPads. Two pencils with three different connection methods, and the necessitation of a dongle to connect the seven-year-old Pencil to the two-week-old iPad. That's weird. It's also strange that the keyboard accessory for the $449 iPad is a. different than and b. objectively better in some ways than the keyboard accessory that the vastly more expensive iPads use. One might assume that the 'Pros' would've liked a larger trackpad and a row of function keys, and yet that keyboard remains hampered without that functionality.

I guess you could argue that by extension of the accessories, since they are such a critical part of the iPad experience, the iPad lineup itself is confusing. But I thought it was important to make that distinction. I'm ready to be barraged with links again! :)
Apple’s cash cow is the iPhone, so they make sure to get the good/better/best of that correct. Every other product lineup such as the iPad is a product of when things are ready as well as supply chain factors.

Apple clearly made a decision at some point to not slavishly require 100% consistency in these lineups, resulting in some products looking like orphans when another product in the lineup gets its update. The iPad Pro has been a victim of this many times.
 

Macalway

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I bought one. I needed an iPad Pro, and this one works pretty good. Nice pen additions and cpu boost. Some other things.

It's mature market, and this was a decent update. I'm glad they didn't change it for the sake of change, to please buyers like you, apparently. That's something I actually would complain about.

How different our viewpoints.
 
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I really don't know what Apple was thinking here. They clearly only released this iPad because they feel like they have to release a new device every year for each product category. I just don't understand why they released this.

I guess I really don't know what the M2 iPad Pro is or who its for. Apple has made some pointless updates before, but this one might be the most pointless update they've ever made. There is literally zero difference between this model and the M1 iPad Pro. The M2 is not going to be faster than the M1 but literally maybe 1 or 2 seconds when doing heavy video work. There is no improvement in battery life, no improvement in the screen, no improvement in front facing camera...Hover is simply a software feature that Apple could turn on for the other iPads, but of course they won't.

There isn't a single redeeming quality about this device that makes it an appealing buy. And I love Apple products and upgrade pretty often when I feel its warranted. The 2021 model with mini LED was enough for me to upgrade from the 2018 model, so its not like I keep devices long term to squeeze every drop of usage out of them. I like giving Apple my money for upgrades, when they are worthy. The M2 iPad has got to be the laziest iPad Apple has ever released, and that includes the much maligned iPad 3. I mean they tout pro res video but its not even capable without a 3rd party app. Its a total mess of a product.

Even the 11" model, which I don't even use, is comically bad. Apple again used a cheaper screen in that model to try and push people to the larger device. Its ridiculous that they don't put the same screen hardware in both models but still call both models "Pro."

In summary, the M2 iPad Pro will go down as the worst upgrade Apple has ever done with the iPads. And before everyone starts saying "Well its not designed for M1 users," yes I know. Anyone coming from a non-M1 iPad shouldn't buy this either. They should just buy an M1 iPad Pro because you are getting literally the exact same device for far less money. Its a bad product and Apple only released this because they felt like they had to. Its lazy and buy this time next year it will have been the absolute worst buy of any Apple product as it will be replaced with a proper update. I love Apple and their products, but the iPad line has become a complete mess and that is too bad, because its one of my favorite things Apple makes.

I think this might be the like 10th thread of this nature and frankly, some of you need to learn that M2 iPad may not be a great upgrade for those coming from an M1 iPad but for anyone else upgrading today and is looking at a Pro model, the current offering offers the latest chip and that’s enough.
 
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nickawhite

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As to the lineup...I was in an Apple Store yesterday looking at the new hardware and the Specialist actually complained to me that he thinks the iPad lineup is a mess. I was blown away - even though I agree - because I've never had a Specialist say anything but sunshine and rainbows about the products before. I'm not saying it is or isn't a mess - I'm merely saying that it isn't great if the famously tightlipped employees think it is...
 
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pbridge354

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The 2020 iPad was worse. The 2018 iPad Pro used the A12X and 2020 the A12Z.
This. I had the 12.9 2020 iPad Pro, which I sold a while back. Picked up the m2 11” and I'm enjoying it.

I understand this is a hot take, but I really like stage manger. I’m not using the Magic Keyboard anymore, touch only. And it works great! Totally enjoying the m2 as a touch only device and as little monitor by my desktop.
 

MyopicPaideia

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G wiz - this is hilarious. Apple and the rest of the tech industry have convinced everyone so thoroughly that they absolutely need to upgrade everything they own annually that now the sheeple actually get angry at them for not releasing a product worthy of the completely and utterly unnecessary consumer waste of annual upgrades.

OP - ignore the existence of the new iPad Pro and use your current device in blissful defiance of the ridiculous annual upgrade culture. Pretend it doesn’t exist and it won’t. As you say yourself, you aren’t missing out on anything.
 
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