Bingo! This is simple truth explains quite a lot. The negativity is required. Amazing that there are so many accounts which conveniently feed into it.
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iPad Pro The M2 iPad Pro is the worst update Apple has ever released
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The M2 ipad pro with prores and proraw is the best update Apple ever made to the ipad for professionals
M2 ipad pro is the worst update for casual users that should never buy ipad pro in the first place, when there is the base ipad and the ipad air out there
M2 ipad pro is the worst update for casual users that should never buy ipad pro in the first place, when there is the base ipad and the ipad air out there
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At this point, what is stopping you from just buying a Mac? And if you say "but tablet form factor and my touchscreen" I'm gonna slap you as iPadOS is so bad and any benefit of the form factor is lost with how lackluster the OS is compared to macOS.
If you need a tablet for that, just get a older iPad Pro refurbished for a lot less. There's no reason to get the M2 version at all. Hell there was no reason to get the M1 version either.
Guts of a Mac, but does a lot less than a Mac, and is more expensive than a Mac.
At this point, what is stopping you from just buying a Mac? And if you say "but tablet form factor and my touchscreen" I'm gonna slap you as iPadOS is so bad and any benefit of the form factor is lost with how lackluster the OS is compared to macOS.
If you need a tablet for that, just get a older iPad Pro refurbished for a lot less. There's no reason to get the M2 version at all. Hell there was no reason to get the M1 version either.
I think I bought my last iPad in 2017. Just finished putting the last kid through college. Love the Magic Keyboard and the trackpad. Really liking iOS 16. Sure, I’d love to have a centered camera in landscape mode but that’s no different than what I had before. I can understand why many would not buy this edition, but personally I’m thrilled with it.
An iPad with the U1 chip doesn’t exist yet. A12Z is the exact same chip as A12X, with one more GPU core enabled, so it was a smaller update in comparison to that from M1 to M2.
I feel it's there for people who are looking for a new iPad Pro, and like having the latest model instead of a 1.5 year-old one, even if the two are virtually indistinguishable. It also signals that the next iPad Pro refresh will not be anytime soon and people should not hold off waiting for another upgrade. If you are in the market for a new iPad, and don't mind paying for the latest and greatest, this is it.
True, you could in theory find a discounted / refurbished M1 iPad Pro for less, until the iPad gets some feature exclusive to the M2 chip. I remember how people were moaning that iOS 15 last year didn't have any new features that took advantage of the M1 chip, only to complain this year when stage manager was initially restricted to only M1 iPads.
I feel it's there for people who are looking for a new iPad Pro, and like having the latest model instead of a 1.5 year-old one, even if the two are virtually indistinguishable. It also signals that the next iPad Pro refresh will not be anytime soon and people should not hold off waiting for another upgrade. If you are in the market for a new iPad, and don't mind paying for the latest and greatest, this is it.
True, you could in theory find a discounted / refurbished M1 iPad Pro for less, until the iPad gets some feature exclusive to the M2 chip. I remember how people were moaning that iOS 15 last year didn't have any new features that took advantage of the M1 chip, only to complain this year when stage manager was initially restricted to only M1 iPads.
By features to take advantage of the M1 chip, they mean pro apps and a full desktop mode. Stage Manager ain't it lmao.
This is why so many are on their knees begging for the M series iPads to get the ability to dualboot macOS, which they should. There's no reason they can't when they literally have the guts of a Mac inside them.
Who are you ‘gonna slap’ exactly? What a vile comment and a vile attitude.
For the simple reason that I can't use a Mac to teach in the classroom the same way I currently use my iPad Pro. It lacks a touchscreen. I can't write on it the way I annotate on Notability with an Apple Pencil. It lacks access to touch-optimised apps, a rear camera, I can't detach the screen from the keyboard when I want to walk around the classroom, and it lacks inbuilt cellular as well.
During the pandemic, I was recording lessons on my iPad with screen recording, editing them in lumafusion and uploading them directly to YouTube. When I was conducting live lessons with my students, my iPad was mirrored to my iMac screen via air-server. It was an integral part of my "home-based learning" arsenal.
True, none of them specifically need the power of the M2 chip, but I bought the 2018 iPad Pro when the A12x chip was also considered overpowered at the time, and it has lasted me 4 years of software updates. If I wanted longevity and a guaranteed 5-6 years of support, I would get the M2 chip right now, and not look back.
I will never understand this obsession with wanting the iPad to run macOS.
Somehow, I am convinced that the people arguing in favour of this are simply being contrary for the sake of being a contrarian. Whether it's right, or even makes sense for Appel to do, doesn't matter. It's just something they are latching on, like smart speakers or becoming the next Netflix, simply because Apple isn't doing it, and it gives them something to criticise Apple over.
M2 isn’t a huge leap but y'all seem to forget about the iPad 3? The same as iPad 2 except Retina display, ran super hot, and was then served a horrible death on iOS 9.
I think we are forgetting the fact that these are refreshes as opposed to full upgrades. You don’t have to buy a new one every year lmao
I think we are forgetting the fact that these are refreshes as opposed to full upgrades. You don’t have to buy a new one every year lmao
I go back again: Then at that point just get a refurb, especially now that the M1s are in the refurb store. You don't need M2 for that especially at that cost.
The obsession is because iPadOS is $*&#. Apple keeps advertising this expensive thing as a laptop replacement, a laptop replacement that costs more than their laptops and does a lot less than their laptops despite having the guts of their laptops. iPadOS doesn't have:
- The ability to install whatever software without an app store (or as the kids call it nowadays, Sideloading)
- Proper mouse support as the trackpad is emulating touch so the UI and controls has to compromise for that
- Multiuser support (something cheap ass Android phones and tablets have mind you)
- Pro apps
- Coding apps (Swift Playgrounds doesn't count.)
- A file explorer that isn't garbage
- Virtualization
- OS modification
- Multitasking that isn't a hassle to work around
- Games
It's not the same price. Europe got a price increase. In the UK it went up by over £100. The Euro price is even worse.
I’ve been checking cellular M1 iPad Pro 11” prices hoping for a good deal (brand new from authorized retailers) and quite frankly, I’m not seeing the heavy discounts you’re mentioning. At best, they’re around $100 cheaper than Apple EDU pricing.
If you hate iPadOS so much, why do you own an iPad?
People have to stop expecting some groundbreaking hardware launch every year. Look at notebooks for example---every year or so we get a mild spec bump to keep it current, and the hardware doesn't really change much for more than half a decade. No huge announcement. Mobile devices have matured and we're not getting massive hardware upgrades every 12 months anymore.
Some of you really miss throwing thousands of dollars a year at Apple to keep up with the latest hardware features. In the current economy, I'm actually grateful to not feel like I'm missing much still rocking a 2020 iPad Pro 11".
Some of you really miss throwing thousands of dollars a year at Apple to keep up with the latest hardware features. In the current economy, I'm actually grateful to not feel like I'm missing much still rocking a 2020 iPad Pro 11".
I don't own an M1 iPad. My iPad is a 8th gen vanilla I got as a Christmas gift in 2020 and I virtually never use it anymore ever since I got my Macbook Pro. I'm not planning on getting a new iPad after this one
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I find I don't really save that much money with a refurb, especially since I get a small discount on the latest iPads via the education discount anyways. I could probably get by with the 2022 iPad Air, since I don't quite need more than 256gb of storage anyways, but at a difference of S$300, for something I see myself using for the next 4 years at least? It's not an insignificant amount of savings, but it won't exactly break the bank either.
Bottom line - if I had to upgrade right here and now, I would probably still opt for the M2 iPad Pro (11", 256gb, cellular), just because I can, and for the satisfaction of having the latest model.
1) The apps I want are in the iOS App Store anyways.
2) I bought a Magic Keyboard when it was released and returned it a week later. I get it's a huge deal for some, but there's just no room for a mouse when I am teaching in the classroom.
3) I don't use multi-user support on the M1 MBA that I am typing on right now anyways, and I am unlikely to share my iPad with another party.
4) Nor do I really have any pro apps on my 2017 5k iMac or my M1 MBA. I mean, I use iMovie to edit videos on them (because FCP is both too expensive and overkill for my needs), vs lumafusion on my iPad (apple pencil is great in this regard), so the apps on my iPad are arguably more "pro" in that sense.
5) Coding apps - I don't code, so...
6) File explorer - fair enough. I got by before the files app by basically storing all my apps in dropbox and syncing them to the documents app, so I guess I don't really miss it. I use the files app pretty extensively now and it has its charm and use cases.
7) Virtualisation - I guess I don't miss what I don't need.
8) OS modification - okay...?
9) Multitasking - fair enough, though I typically run my browser windows in full screen on my MBA as well.
10) Games - The Mac is ironically enough more of a barren wasteland compared to iOS when it comes to games.
And while we are at it, the Mac can't do what I use my iPad for anyways (the iPad has been my "laptop replacement" since iOS 5 days), which is why I have both, and I am happy for each to have their own unique differentiators in which they excel.
I just wish people would acknowledge the strengths of the iPad more, and stop trying to force it to become something that it is not.
Why the knocks on the iPad 3. That was a big update with retina display. First iPad I had interest in.
Honestly, I just use Windows desktops and laptops for that stuff.
For gaming especially, there’s just more content/exclusives only available on Windows. I don’t believe vanilla M1/M2 is even anywhere near close to full TDP RTX 3050 performance and most gamers tend to avoid that GPU if they can afford to.
Based on revenue and MSRP, I expect iPads outsell Macs 2:1 in terms of units (with the basic, entry level iPad accounting for most of its sales). I think most iPad customers appreciate the iPad for what it is.
It’s mostly YouTube and enthusiast sites like this where folks keep complaining that the iPad doesn’t run MacOS.
because people who bought it, came from ipad 2 that was fast and very UI friendly
Because of so many pixels, Apple should have been place from the start an SoC-in gpu that could keep up
The refurb store has some bad deals in there which is why you gotta check the specs of what is offered.
Mine aren't. There's no retro game emulators on the App Store at all
When I have nephews who wanna use my stuff, multiuser support's pretty handy.
Not just FCP. There's no Logic so any musicians are stuck with Garageband. There's no GIMP, no Maya, no CLO 3D, no Blender, AutoCAD on iPadOS is lackluster compared to the Mac version, there's no Adobe Acrobat Pro so PDF creation on iPadOS forget it, no Handbreak, the Adobe CC is barely supported on iPadOS and the apps that are supported are lackluster bogged down versions of their desktop counterparts, I can go on.
All the iPad has is Procreate. That's it. It did recently get Davinci Resolve and Octane X, but at this point it's too little too late.
A lot of programmers do code and want XCode and Visual Studio on iPad because of that, especially for app testing. But all they have is Swift Playgrounds, a learning game. Yet Apple straight faced during WWDC 21 said "oh yeah you can make apps on your iPad now using Swift Playgrounds."
You think Dropbox is a nightmare on iPadOS try Google Drive.
There's a reason I don't use my iPad much anymore and any iPad functions I do on my Macbook now.
Okay stop. Tell me you don't have a Steam account without telling me you don't have a Steam account. Yeah gaming on Mac is not ideal as it could be but it's not as barren as the memes make it out to be. Steam's loaded with amazing games supported on Mac like Factorio and Disco Elysium. Not to mention there's the compatibility layer CrossOver that has successfully gotten major PC games like Grand Theft Auto 5 and even Sony's God of War running perfectly on macOS.
See this is all stuff you can play on Mac that you could play on iPadOS if it had sideloading
TELL APPLE THAT! I wouldn't be mad if they'd stop the "your next computer is not a computer" ads that for some reason they're still pushing. And when you put the guts of a Mac in something that costs more than a Mac, I'm gonna compare it to a Mac.