iPad Pro The M2 iPad Pro is the worst update Apple has ever released

[lordhamster]

Guts of a Mac, but does a lot less than a Mac, and is more expensive than a Mac.​

At this point, what is stopping you from just buying a Mac? And if you say "but tablet form factor and my touchscreen" I'm gonna slap you as iPadOS is so bad and any benefit of the form factor is lost with how lackluster the OS is compared to macOS.

If you need a tablet for that, just get a older iPad Pro refurbished for a lot less. There's no reason to get the M2 version at all. Hell there was no reason to get the M1 version either.

I'm ready to be slapped.
I have a Macbook Pro M1 Max 14 inch, but I just got an M2 11 inch iPad for the following reasons:

• Tablet Form Factor:I travel for work, and refuse to do anything Personal on my work laptop.
  • I'm also a one-bagger, which means I prefer to travel with just a single backpack that carries all my stuff.
  • Weight is a big deal for me. I already have to schlep my 50 million pound work issued HP Crapbook.
  • With Magic Keyboard I add some weight, but get nice benefits: I can do some casual email, arguing on internet forums etc with the keyboard at a desk... then pop the iPad off and read books or watch videos on the hotel room bed in any orientation easily. Much less ergonomic with a laptop. Best of all, I can shave all that weight off by just leaving the keyboard behind for those trips where I don't think I'll need it.
• Tablet Form Factor:I wanted a device to be an all-in one for personal tasks (light email, calendaring, web browsing, web apps, on-board apps) + entertainment (Netflix, Hulu, HBO, Prime video etc) for on the plane & hotel rooms.
  • Most streaming providers do NOT provide the ability to download content for offline viewing on on MacOS, whereas they ALL do on iPadOS.
• My Touchscreen: I like handwritten notes and am sick of carrying heavy paper notebooks. The apple pencil capability and the fact Apple Notes are searchable made this a good option as a companion for travel & when working from home.
• Misc:iPad is a failsafe backup for my phone. If I'm traveling and my phone dies for some reason, nearly every travel app for my phone exists on iPad. I can even use the iPad to navigate trains, in car etc.
  • IPad also has 5G, which again is good if the phone dies.

 

[sparksd]

I'm ready to be slapped.
I have a Macbook Pro M1 Max 14 inch, but I just got an M2 11 inch iPad for the following reasons:

• Tablet Form Factor:I travel for work, and refuse to do anything Personal on my work laptop.
  • I'm also a one-bagger, which means I prefer to travel with just a single backpack that carries all my stuff.
  • Weight is a big deal for me. I already have to schlep my 50 million pound work issued HP Crapbook.
  • With Magic Keyboard I add some weight, but get nice benefits: I can do some casual email, arguing on internet forums etc with the keyboard at a desk... then pop the iPad off and read books or watch videos on the hotel room bed in any orientation easily. Much less ergonomic with a laptop. Best of all, I can shave all that weight off by just leaving the keyboard behind for those trips where I don't think I'll need it.
• Tablet Form Factor:I wanted a device to be an all-in one for personal tasks (light email, calendaring, web browsing, web apps, on-board apps) + entertainment (Netflix, Hulu, HBO, Prime video etc) for on the plane & hotel rooms.
  • Most streaming providers do NOT provide the ability to download content for offline viewing on on MacOS, whereas they ALL do on iPadOS.
• My Touchscreen: I like handwritten notes and am sick of carrying heavy paper notebooks. The apple pencil capability and the fact Apple Notes are searchable made this a good option as a companion for travel & when working from home.
• Misc:iPad is a failsafe backup for my phone. If I'm traveling and my phone dies for some reason, nearly every travel app for my phone exists on iPad. I can even use the iPad to navigate trains, in car etc.
  • IPad also has 5G, which again is good if the phone dies.

Double slap - I totally agree on the tablet form factor, it's a nice complement to my laptop.

 

[Spaceboi Scaphandre]

I'm ready to be slapped.

I have a Macbook Pro M1 Max 14 inch, but I just got an M2 11 inch iPad for the following reasons:

• Tablet Form Factor:I travel for work, and refuse to do anything Personal on my work laptop.
  • I'm also a one-bagger, which means I prefer to travel with just a single backpack that carries all my stuff.
  • Weight is a big deal for me. I already have to schlep my 50 million pound work issued HP Crapbook.
  • With Magic Keyboard I add some weight, but get nice benefits: I can do some casual email, arguing on internet forums etc with the keyboard at a desk... then pop the iPad off and read books or watch videos on the hotel room bed in any orientation easily. Much less ergonomic with a laptop. Best of all, I can shave all that weight off by just leaving the keyboard behind for those trips where I don't think I'll need it.

There's a difference between a work laptop and a personal of course. I don't do anything on my work iPhone for that reason.

Bro I'm a one bagger too and I still carry my 14 inch Macbook Pro. Does your bag not have a laptop section?

Well if weight's an issue it's a good thing the Macbook Air exists, which as I showed costs the same as the M2 iPad, or less, and hell is cheaper than the majority of these iPads minus the 9th gen vanilla.

• Tablet Form Factor:I wanted a device to be an all-in one for personal tasks (light email, calendaring, web browsing, web apps, on-board apps) + entertainment (Netflix, Hulu, HBO, Prime video etc) for on the plane & hotel rooms.

A Macbook can do that too, arguably better since multitasking on macOS isn't an absolute nightmare like it is on iPadOS.

• • Most streaming providers do NOT provide the ability to download content for offline viewing on on MacOS, whereas they ALL do on iPadOS.

Fair, but then would you really need an M series iPad for that? Plus the Mac has AirPlay now so you could download content onto an iPhone and AirPlay it to that Mac.

• My Touchscreen: I like handwritten notes and am sick of carrying heavy paper notebooks. The apple pencil capability and the fact Apple Notes are searchable made this a good option as a companion for travel & when working from home.

Also fair. But this thread is about the M series iPads especially the M2 iPad Pro, and you don't really need the higher end iPads just for notes when the smaller ones can do that just fine.

• Misc:iPad is a failsafe backup for my phone. If I'm traveling and my phone dies for some reason, nearly every travel app for my phone exists on iPad. I can even use the iPad to navigate trains, in car etc.
  • IPad also has 5G, which again is good if the phone dies.

You know you're the first person I met that actually uses a cellular model iPad. Thing is, most people wouldn't go out of their way to pull the SIM card out of their phone to put it in the iPad for that use case, especially since that takes calling away. If they're on eSIM then hooooo boy that's another can of worms.

There's value in regular iPads (except the 10th gen but I already made a thread about that,) but the higher end ones it becomes a lot harder to justify as their hardware and price get into Mac territory.

 

[DMG35]

I think many of you are equating my post to performace. I KNOW the iPad Pro performs well and know the M2 will perform well. That was never under debate. The 2018 iPad Pro still performs extremely well. I get it, there are improved chips every year. I'm not saying the new iPad Pro won't perform moderately better than the previous iPads in real world usage. I don't care about benchmarks, and no one should. In real world usage they are all going to perform very similarly, with the M2 outperforming the M1 and previous iPads in certain tasks.

My point is that Apple could do better here. For instance, they can't do something to improve battery life? They've done it with their MacBook line, but the iPad Pro line still has the same battery claims as it did back in 2018, and honestly they could really improve. If you do more than just browse the web or email, the battery is NOT very good. They can't improve that in what will be 5 years later?

Again, a lot of you seem to misunderstand my post and are interpreting that the new iPad isn't a good device. I know its a good device, its just not a very good upgrade compared to the other iPad Pro's IN MY OPINION (just to make sure some of you know this is just my opinion as some of you seem to think I'm claiming that what I say is factual).

 

[B-Mc-C]

It seems like in lieu of price hikes for US customers, Apple is saving on re-tooling their production lines for one more year and pouring those resources into the next update which will be a redesign. I upgraded from my 2018 only because I kept running out of space, and battery life was starting to suffer as well. At first I got the M1 model for $100 discount from an Amazon, but then I decided for only $100 more, I may as well get the latest generation. MaxTech on YouTube has a great video showing real world performance gains in Safari on the M2 model compared to the M1. Now I have 5G, 6E, and the best performance. My trading app, thinkorswim, still has choppy scrolling when the data updates at 1 second intervals, but less so than the M1. I don’t like that they made the new space gray lighter than the M1. Thought they sent me a silver one at first!

 

[B-Mc-C]

There's a difference between a work laptop and a personal of course. I don't do anything on my work iPhone for that reason.

Bro I'm a one bagger too and I still carry my 14 inch Macbook Pro. Does your bag not have a laptop section?

Well if weight's an issue it's a good thing the Macbook Air exists, which as I showed costs the same as the M2 iPad, or less, and hell is cheaper than the majority of these iPads minus the 9th gen vanilla.



A Macbook can do that too, arguably better since multitasking on macOS isn't an absolute nightmare like it is on iPadOS.



Fair, but then would you really need an M series iPad for that? Plus the Mac has AirPlay now so you could download content onto an iPhone and AirPlay it to that Mac.



Also fair. But this thread is about the M series iPads especially the M2 iPad Pro, and you don't really need the higher end iPads just for notes when the smaller ones can do that just fine.



You know you're the first person I met that actually uses a cellular model iPad. Thing is, most people wouldn't go out of their way to pull the SIM card out of their phone to put it in the iPad for that use case, especially since that takes calling away. If they're on eSIM then hooooo boy that's another can of worms.

There's value in regular iPads (except the 10th gen but I already made a thread about that,) but the higher end ones it becomes a lot harder to justify as their hardware and price get into Mac territory.

Ummm, did you not realize that the iPad has its own cellular plan, and you seriously thought people have to remove the SIM card from their iPhone every time they want to use cellular on the iPad? LOL. Consider me the second person you’ve met with cellular on his iPad, I guess.

Also, eSIM is the bomb. You can move it between devices in seconds, and never need to hunt for a SIM removal tool, plus there is more internal space for other stuff.

You have a lot of gripes about the iPad. For all of the people that bash it, I have determined that they just haven’t learned how to use it. Multitasking, even without Stage Manager, is almost more elegant on the iPad than it is on the Mac. I always have an internet connection anywhere in the world without having to connect to WiFi or tether off my phone. Lastly, there is far more in terms of software. My Mac Studio has been relegated to a basic web browser, because developers have gone out of their way to disallow their fantastic iPadOS apps from the Apple Silicon Mac App Store (I’m looking at you YouTube, and 100 others).

 

[lordhamster]

There's a difference between a work laptop and a personal of course. I don't do anything on my work iPhone for that reason.

Bro I'm a one bagger too and I still carry my 14 inch Macbook Pro. Does your bag not have a laptop section?

I have a laptop section in my bag, but I don't want to carry two heavy laptops. I HAVE to carry the work laptop on business trips. The iPad is a lighter weight compromise that gives me enough computing and entertainment opportunities to keep me busy when stuck traveling

Well if weight's an issue it's a good thing the Macbook Air exists, which as I showed costs the same as the M2 iPad, or less, and hell is cheaper than the majority of these iPads minus the 9th gen vanilla.

Macbook would be a reasonable alternative in my usecase minus the note-taking, cellular capability, and downloadable content from streaming providers

A Macbook can do that too, arguably better since multitasking on macOS isn't an absolute nightmare like it is on iPadOS.

Multitasking is WAY better on a macbook, agree there.

Fair, but then would you really need an M series iPad for that? Plus the Mac has AirPlay now so you could download content onto an iPhone and AirPlay it to that Mac.

My kids have iPad Air 5s, same form-factor as my 11 inch M2 Pro. Admittedly I could have gotten away with that absolutely.

Also fair. But this thread is about the M series iPads especially the M2 iPad Pro, and you don't really need the higher end iPads just for notes when the smaller ones can do that just fine.

Again, mostly agree. My M2 is overkill for my needs. To be honest, I don't even notice the prores refresh rate.

You know you're the first person I met that actually uses a cellular model iPad. Thing is, most people wouldn't go out of their way to pull the SIM card out of their phone to put it in the iPad for that use case, especially since that takes calling away. If they're on eSIM then hooooo boy that's another can of worms.

For now I've got a dedicated data plan for the iPad. Not sure if I'll keep that. 5+ years ago, I used Google FI primary and it came with free data-only sims that I just used in my old iPad.

There's value in regular iPads (except the 10th gen but I already made a thread about that,) but the higher end ones it becomes a lot harder to justify as their hardware and price get into Mac territory.

Yep. I agree. For me at least, there is very little benefit of the M2 Pro vs the Air 5. Especially since the M2 pro didn't get the fancy Mini-led display. Probably the most tangible benefits are the availability of more offline storage, plus more ram should guarantee snappier performance for a bit longer as the OS becomes more bloated.

 

[Spaceboi Scaphandre]

I have a laptop section in my bag, but I don't want to carry two heavy laptops. I HAVE to carry the work laptop on business trips. The iPad is a lighter weight compromise that gives me enough computing and entertainment opportunities to keep me busy when stuck traveling


Macbook would be a reasonable alternative in my usecase minus the note-taking, cellular capability, and downloadable content from streaming providers


Multitasking is WAY better on a macbook, agree there.

My kids have iPad Air 5s, same form-factor as my 11 inch M2 Pro. Admittedly I could have gotten away with that absolutely.

Again, mostly agree. My M2 is overkill for my needs. To be honest, I don't even notice the prores refresh rate.

For now I've got a dedicated data plan for the iPad. Not sure if I'll keep that. 5+ years ago, I used Google FI primary and it came with free data-only sims that I just used in my old iPad.

Yep. I agree. For me at least, there is very little benefit of the M2 Pro vs the Air 5. Especially since the M2 pro didn't get the fancy Mini-led display. Probably the most tangible benefits are the availability of more offline storage, plus more ram should guarantee snappier performance for a bit longer as the OS becomes more bloated.

Now that was what I would call a good Slap Fight.

 

[Zest28]

Friendly reminder:

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Guts of a Mac, but does a lot less than a Mac, and is more expensive than a Mac.​

At this point, what is stopping you from just buying a Mac? And if you say "but tablet form factor and my touchscreen" I'm gonna slap you as iPadOS is so bad and any benefit of the form factor is lost with how lackluster the OS is compared to macOS.

If you need a tablet for that, just get a older iPad Pro refurbished for a lot less. There's no reason to get the M2 version at all. Hell there was no reason to get the M1 version either.

The M2 MBA is a lower tier product than the iPad Pro, the M2 MBA should be compared against the M1 iPad Air.

M1 iPad Air 256 GB = $749 USD
M2 MBA 256 GB = $1199 USD

The M1 iPad Air is cheaper and much more lighter.

 

[Hunter5117]

MacBook Pro, iPhone, and iPads, as long as I remember they have gotten interim updates almost every year with the newest Intel chip, or the A-series chips, and now the M-series. I don't see what is so mysterious or frustrating. You are not supposed to be madly compelled to buy a new one ever year. although I am sure Apple would love it if you were.

 

[teh_hunterer]

I really don't know what Apple was thinking here. They clearly only released this iPad because they feel like they have to release a new device every year for each product category. I just don't understand why they released this.

I guess I really don't know what the M2 iPad Pro is or who its for. Apple has made some pointless updates before, but this one might be the most pointless update they've ever made.

i got the 12.9" a few days ago because I didn't have a 12.9" iPad, and while it was a disappointing update, why not put the M2 in it? It may as well have the latest chip instead of arbitrarily sticking with the M1. Right?

I don't think anyone is really expecting M1 users to upgrade to the M2 - it's just that people buying it now want the latest chip for the money.

 

[rui no onna]

My point is that Apple could do better here. For instance, they can't do something to improve battery life? They've done it with their MacBook line, but the iPad Pro line still has the same battery claims as it did back in 2018, and honestly they could really improve. If you do more than just browse the web or email, the battery is NOT very good. They can't improve that in what will be 5 years later?

Actually, advertised battery life has been the same since 2010. Some specific models (e.g. iPads with A-series non-X/Z chips) can squeeze more but they’ve just capped advertised battery life at 10 hours.

The MacBooks got major battery life improvement thanks to the switch from Intel to ARM. iPads have been running ARM from the get-go so can’t get anything there.

Do note that the iPad Pro 12.9 is the same weight as the original 9.7” iPad released in 2010. Instead of increasing battery life from 10 hours (which I reckon Apple feels is adequate enough), the “battery savings” has gone towards making the iPad smaller and lighter (something I’ve greatly appreciated), improving the display and allowing for bigger displays.

Mind you, I generally get better than the 10 hours advertised. I’ve just logged ~4 hours onscreen time on the M1 12.9 (mostly Safari, 10% brightness) and the battery has only dropped from 91% to 76%.

 

[rui no onna]

because people who bought it, came from ipad 2 that was fast and very UI friendly
Because of so many pixels, Apple should have been place from the start an SoC-in gpu that could keep up

Apple kinda needed to release retina fast, though. Android tablets were already sporting higher PPI displays when the iPad 2 was released.

It was just unfortunate that A5X + retina didn’t make for particularly good performance. Mind, I do remember iOS 9 doing better on the iPad 3’s A5X/1GB versus the iPad 2’s A5/512MB.

 

[Heat_Fan89]

I ordered both the 11" and 12.9" M2 Pros. I returned the 11" iPad. The M2 big boy is ridiculously good. It’s wicked fast. It chomped thru the 16.1 update. The screen has been on for a little over 30 mins I’ve lost 1% of battery life.

 

[Abazigal]

TELL APPLE THAT! I wouldn't be mad if they'd stop the "your next computer is not a computer" ads that for some reason they're still pushing. And when you put the guts of a Mac in something that costs more than a Mac, I'm gonna compare it to a Mac.

And I think the issue here is that you are judging the success and capabilities of an iPad by what it cannot do relative to a Mac, without allowing its unique traits to shine. It's like complaining that a Mac cheeseburger sucks because it doesn't taste like Burger King, and then trying to force the former to be more like the latter. Not realising that different people like each for their own reasons, and forcing the issue just results in less choice for everyone because then, you basically have 2 burger kings, not 1 McDonald's and 1 BK.

I too can list off a laundry list of how I have been using my iPad for work since I got my first iPad 3 in 2012, and how it has let me do stuff that a computer can't do. For example, I took it overseas with me to blog when I accompanied my students on an excursion. At the time, it had longer life than a laptop, was more convenient to use on the move (thanks to its tablet form factor), and had inbuilt cellular so I could post to the school website while outdoors.

So if I ever have to accompany my students overseas again, I would only bring one computer with me - my iPad, simply because it has proven to be the most versatile for my specific needs. Not my MBA, and not my school-issued laptop either.

IMO, the best solution is to put aside all this "the iPad sucks because it can't do X PC stuff" rhetoric. Identify the respective pros and cons of the iPad, and let consumers decide on which best suit their needs. And I don't think anyone will complain that the iPad has the most powerful mobile chip that Apple currently has to offer. I mean, if I am going to pay that price, why settle for anything less?

 

[DMG35]

It seems like in lieu of price hikes for US customers, Apple is saving on re-tooling their production lines for one more year and pouring those resources into the next update which will be a redesign. I upgraded from my 2018 only because I kept running out of space, and battery life was starting to suffer as well. At first I got the M1 model for $100 discount from an Amazon, but then I decided for only $100 more, I may as well get the latest generation. MaxTech on YouTube has a great video showing real world performance gains in Safari on the M2 model compared to the M1. Now I have 5G, 6E, and the best performance. My trading app, thinkorswim, still has choppy scrolling when the data updates at 1 second intervals, but less so than the M1. I don’t like that they made the new space gray lighter than the M1. Thought they sent me a silver one at first!

If you run the browsers side by side though you aren’t going to see a noticeable difference in speed. Those tests are so bogus in real world scenarios and at best you might see a half second difference in performance and that’s if you have a router that supports WiFi 6e.

 

[Blubbermann]

An iPad with the U1 chip doesn’t exist yet. A12Z is the exact same chip as A12X, with one more GPU core enabled, so it was a smaller update in comparison to that from M1 to M2.

You are right with U1, my fault. Anyway, 50% more RAM and all the other aspects made it a far better update than m2 vs m1 iPad Pro. There is just nothing, no new Cameras (and yes, as a teacher the rear-cameras are quite important), no better LIDAR (AR in Classroom is ok, could be better), no new new speakers, not more RAM. That was different with 2020 vs 2018, especially in real life usage.

 

[Weasel13]

Upgraded from an iPad Air 1. Seems like a pretty good upgrade to me.

 

[Weasel13]

Friendly reminder:

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Guts of a Mac, but does a lot less than a Mac, and is more expensive than a Mac.​

At this point, what is stopping you from just buying a Mac? And if you say "but tablet form factor and my touchscreen" I'm gonna slap you as iPadOS is so bad and any benefit of the form factor is lost with how lackluster the OS is compared to macOS.

If you need a tablet for that, just get a older iPad Pro refurbished for a lot less. There's no reason to get the M2 version at all. Hell there was no reason to get the M1 version either.

Thank you for your generous advice. Rejected. 😺

 

[circlePulse]

I really don't know what Apple was thinking here. They clearly only released this iPad because they feel like they have to release a new device every year for each product category. I just don't understand why they released this.

I guess I really don't know what the M2 iPad Pro is or who its for. Apple has made some pointless updates before, but this one might be the most pointless update they've ever made. There is literally zero difference between this model and the M1 iPad Pro. The M2 is not going to be faster than the M1 but literally maybe 1 or 2 seconds when doing heavy video work. There is no improvement in battery life, no improvement in the screen, no improvement in front facing camera...Hover is simply a software feature that Apple could turn on for the other iPads, but of course they won't.

There isn't a single redeeming quality about this device that makes it an appealing buy. And I love Apple products and upgrade pretty often when I feel its warranted. The 2021 model with mini LED was enough for me to upgrade from the 2018 model, so its not like I keep devices long term to squeeze every drop of usage out of them. I like giving Apple my money for upgrades, when they are worthy. The M2 iPad has got to be the laziest iPad Apple has ever released, and that includes the much maligned iPad 3. I mean they tout pro res video but its not even capable without a 3rd party app. Its a total mess of a product.

Even the 11" model, which I don't even use, is comically bad. Apple again used a cheaper screen in that model to try and push people to the larger device. Its ridiculous that they don't put the same screen hardware in both models but still call both models "Pro."

In summary, the M2 iPad Pro will go down as the worst upgrade Apple has ever done with the iPads. And before everyone starts saying "Well its not designed for M1 users," yes I know. Anyone coming from a non-M1 iPad shouldn't buy this either. They should just buy an M1 iPad Pro because you are getting literally the exact same device for far less money. Its a bad product and Apple only released this because they felt like they had to. Its lazy and buy this time next year it will have been the absolute worst buy of any Apple product as it will be replaced with a proper update. I love Apple and their products, but the iPad line has become a complete mess and that is too bad, because its one of my favorite things Apple makes.

Ok, so there isn't a whole lot of updates. Doesn't make it a bad product.

 

[DMG35]

Ok, so there isn't a whole lot of updates. Doesn't make it a bad product.

I agree with you. I in no way think it’s a bad product. I think it is a poor upgrade compared to years past, that’s all.

 

[kp98077]

I really don't know what Apple was thinking here. They clearly only released this iPad because they feel like they have to release a new device every year for each product category. I just don't understand why they released this.

I guess I really don't know what the M2 iPad Pro is or who its for. Apple has made some pointless updates before, but this one might be the most pointless update they've ever made. There is literally zero difference between this model and the M1 iPad Pro. The M2 is not going to be faster than the M1 but literally maybe 1 or 2 seconds when doing heavy video work. There is no improvement in battery life, no improvement in the screen, no improvement in front facing camera...Hover is simply a software feature that Apple could turn on for the other iPads, but of course they won't.

There isn't a single redeeming quality about this device that makes it an appealing buy. And I love Apple products and upgrade pretty often when I feel its warranted. The 2021 model with mini LED was enough for me to upgrade from the 2018 model, so its not like I keep devices long term to squeeze every drop of usage out of them. I like giving Apple my money for upgrades, when they are worthy. The M2 iPad has got to be the laziest iPad Apple has ever released, and that includes the much maligned iPad 3. I mean they tout pro res video but its not even capable without a 3rd party app. Its a total mess of a product.

Even the 11" model, which I don't even use, is comically bad. Apple again used a cheaper screen in that model to try and push people to the larger device. Its ridiculous that they don't put the same screen hardware in both models but still call both models "Pro."

In summary, the M2 iPad Pro will go down as the worst upgrade Apple has ever done with the iPads. And before everyone starts saying "Well its not designed for M1 users," yes I know. Anyone coming from a non-M1 iPad shouldn't buy this either. They should just buy an M1 iPad Pro because you are getting literally the exact same device for far less money. Its a bad product and Apple only released this because they felt like they had to. Its lazy and buy this time next year it will have been the absolute worst buy of any Apple product as it will be replaced with a proper update. I love Apple and their products, but the iPad line has become a complete mess and that is too bad, because its one of my favorite things Apple makes.

this is when you know, Apple has done its job..

 

[Heat_Fan89]

I think it is a poor upgrade compared to years past, that’s all.

There really is ONLY so much you can do with a tablet and a smartphone. Currently we are at the point of diminishing returns with these gadgets. It’s no longer 2007 or 2010 for the iPhone or iPad. This is no different than the video game or the movies industry. And as the ideas slow, so do the massive updates from one generation to another. In other words, companies tend to milk it till it’s dry.

At some point you will have pretty much seen it all. It takes something totally out of left field to grab one’s attention. It happens but as the industry matures it takes longer and longer to see something fresh.

We know we are at diminishing returns when Apple is highlighting different colors for the iPad and iPhones. The same thing happened with the iPod.

 

[BeatCrazy]

I am not sure it is the worst, but it seems pointless.

Keep in mind, Apple needs to improve chip yields, driving costs down.

They currently still make A14, A15, M1, M2. So they gotta shove those top-end chips into something to improve profitability.

 

[DeepSix]

Waiting for the 27" ipad pro.