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The Mac Pro Criticism
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It's a nice rig, and when you need a truck, you need a truck... not a Mini Cooper.
I wish Apple would give us a similar freedom to choose and customize.
That being said, I configured a nice HP system and it was over 10K.
Looking forward to more info about the 6,1.
Well, as MANY recent "newbies" here can attest, HP and their customers are simply blind to the enlightened future ahead. An enlightened future where we shed our reliance on internal Hard Drives. We shed these silly things by ...connecting them OUTSIDE our computer with a fleet of wires. Just typing it I felt a wave of enlightenment.
Why have all those RAM slots? Anyone knows 4 is enough.
And who needs internal PCIE cards when we can use some needlessly expensive wire to connect to a needlessly expensive enclosure where we put...all the stuff we used to hook up for free inside our antique computers, but now it has to run slower due to all of the expensive stuff we put in the way.
Those HP guys are really going to wish they had followed Apple's enlightened path.
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Yes just add a freakin $1000,- if you need a PCI-e box.
What a great idea to make it the only option. NOT!
Have you really even owned a Mac Pro before?
Those that do know the Mac Pro goes no where once its installed so stripping 7/8 out of it and not even make it rackable is NOT a good thing for those that use Mac Pro's.
The new Mac Pro is a stripped Mac Pro.
It does come with updated processor etc. but its a new product so very logical to have higher specs than a previous model. (nobody is bitching about the performance)
Fanboys promoting the new Mac Pro will make everything more expensive.
I started becoming a fanboy myself 15 years ago but the last couple of years I see no real communication between the Pro user base and Apple.
Yes just add a freakin $1000,- if you need a PCI-e box.
What a great idea to make it the only option. NOT!
Have you really even owned a Mac Pro before?
Those that do know the Mac Pro goes no where once its installed so stripping 7/8 out of it and not even make it rackable is NOT a good thing for those that use Mac Pro's.
The new Mac Pro is a stripped Mac Pro.
It does come with updated processor etc. but its a new product so very logical to have higher specs than a previous model. (nobody is bitching about the performance)
Fanboys promoting the new Mac Pro will make everything more expensive.
I started becoming a fanboy myself 15 years ago but the last couple of years I see no real communication between the Pro user base and Apple.
Yes I have owned a Mac Pro. Have you ever racked a previous generation Mac Pro and why did you do so? A decent sound card costs at least $1000, just as much as a thunderbolt soundcard box.
I don't think that's what anyone is saying. HP is not doing things the wrong way any more than Apple is doing things the wrong way.
If you like the way HP is doing things, go buy an HP. I'm not going to be offended.
I think a lot of pro users created a self fulfilling prophecy. Everybody who needed massive expansion ran out and got a PC. So Apple created something that fit with their still existing customers needs. Apple's message is that if your needs are better served by HP, go buy an HP. They're building something different.
If you're on an Apple workflow, why complain? The thing looks like a Final Cut Pro X monster.
Attachments
Yeah. I was waiting for that.
It also looks like a Premiere monster if that's your thing. Premiere supports both OpenGL and OpenCL so it should fly on the new Mac Pro too.
Gonna be GREAT with iMovie.
And with Facebook & Twitter integration, you'll be able to edit cute little movies of Barfy and have them on your friend's iPhones in NO TIME AT ALL !!!!
That's funny I bought a 15" 16x pci e box with a thunderbolt cable and 3.5" external 450w power supply for $700.
And that's the super ultra early adopter price on breaking technology. $520 of that was just for a shiny box which costs 20 bucks to make. Without the box you pay $180 for the interface and 450w power supply, such as a TH05 and a visiontek 3.5". Which is damn cheap.
Remember when USB 1 memory card readers were $700 in today's money? I do.
Man those USB 1 devices sure were a bad idea. Lets just go back to serial ports...
I have mixed feelings about the new Mac Pro. On the one hand I don't think it's a great choice for larger facilities that already have a huge investment in shared storage based on PCI card connections, not to mention Kona IO cards that they'd prefer to migrate to a new system vs. buying new Thunderbolt peripherals. I see most of these users moving to HP (whom IMO, Apple should have subcontracted to make Mac Pros).
On the other hand, I think this might be a really good choice for freelancers or smaller operations. As others have mentioned, having external thunderbolt drives means easily swapping your media drive from your desktop to your laptop. You could even get a decent hard case and take your whole Mac Pro on the road if you had to. Would be good for making "house calls" to clients to show them work in progress. For these users, the concerns of having a desktop littered with peripherals may be overblown. Seriously, an external array, a Blackmagic IO box, how many other devices are you really going to connect that would have otherwise gone inside the box?
Anyhow, I'm rambling. I do think there's a market for this thing but it certainly won't be for everyone.
On the other hand, I think this might be a really good choice for freelancers or smaller operations. As others have mentioned, having external thunderbolt drives means easily swapping your media drive from your desktop to your laptop. You could even get a decent hard case and take your whole Mac Pro on the road if you had to. Would be good for making "house calls" to clients to show them work in progress. For these users, the concerns of having a desktop littered with peripherals may be overblown. Seriously, an external array, a Blackmagic IO box, how many other devices are you really going to connect that would have otherwise gone inside the box?
Anyhow, I'm rambling. I do think there's a market for this thing but it certainly won't be for everyone.
That is one way to do it, but, with HP, I assume you mean it would be co-branded. Another way would be to work with a company like SuperMicro to produce a new Apple-branded server (Xserve) that is an OS X version of a high-performance generic-component server. If I were Apple, that is how I would do it.
I think of it as a super high-end iMac. It is no substitute for a rackmount server. I don't understand why companies like Apple leave this much money on the table, but, I believe it is because the beancounters demand the same margin on every product. It must confuse them if different product categories have different margins. To me, a profit is a profit, but, they must be thinking that Apple is a "40% margin company" (I just made that up-- I don't know what the real number is" and servers just don't fit any more. Dumb.
Apple was never very good at support.
A lot of customers demand onsite support within a 24 hour window for their server gear, and that was never really a bar Apple got to. Apple would have to spin up on site support across the country, which adds significant overhead. That's why the Mac Pro was really different than the XServe. The XServe required a lot of overhead and process to keep it competitive. Imagine how much it would cost for Apple to hire enough server technicians.
That's an interesting thought. Why do you see those users moving to HP, and why do you think Apple should have subcontracted HP to make the Mac Pro?
I think a huge percentage of current Mac Pro users are in the video production industry and they've already started migrating away from FCP to other editing platforms like Avid and Adobe, both of which are available on PC. Given the "need for speed", upgradability, easy serviceability and integration into a larger ecosystem, I think HP workstations are going to be more appealing to larger video operations. Purely speculation and I could be completely wrong about that.
As far as Apple contracting HP to make Mac Pro's (or more accurately OS-X ready Z820s), I just think it would have been a great partnership. I have a z820 at work and I can tell you it is a beautiful piece of hardware--inside and out. Very fast and reliable with a clean, easily serviceable interior like a MacPro. If it was running OS-X without the need for all the Hackintosh crap, I would be very happy indeed. Apple could have leveraged HPs production lines allowing them to appease the "power users" while freeing up their resources to make i-devices.
I know this is obvious, but it just hit me that the iMac now has greater storage potential than the Mac Pro.
The iMac.
The iMac.
Well you get rather absurd expansion if you put a SAS raid card in your MacPro. I somehow trust SAS to be much better in daisychaining storage than TB. And do not reply about having SAS cards in PCIe boxes, that would really cripple them.
No if you put two of those under the wings of my airplane...
tilted are really like two turbines^^..
just joking
Considering the Mac Pro has 6 TB-ports, no - no it hasn't.
If you're talking about internal storage (which you made no mention of), then maybe you are right. But overall storage (external included), the Mac Pro will be able to have more.
TCO aka Total Cost of Ownership.
No matter what the cost of the nMP, you have to take into consideration the cost of the TB boxes that will replace the missing functionality of the tower.
In my case, I'd have to spend at least an additional $1500 just to cover my internal storage - and this does not take into account future growth.
Then there is the fact that both Dell & HP have 16 core boxes available today, which will not be available in the nMP.
Of course I meant internal storage, otherwise it would be an idiotic point. You can have an SSD and an HDD in the iMac. Not possible in the Mac Pro.
Completely absurd stuff.
Apple knew this when they thought of MP 6.1 options. It's the same old late night apple movie shown over and over. Come out with the bare minimum spread over three choices. Add a few options for a "nominal" fee. Rev 1 with get closer to 16 cores but not yet. After they milk the 1st 3 MP 6.1's and state 16 cores are on the horizon, Dell and HP will have gone to the next adventure!