Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
It depends on what the base processor, SSD and memory configuration will be. It is possible for it to come in at the $2500 to $3000 range, however we won't know for sure until Apple makes the announcement.

As a long-time Mac user since day one (yes, I'm old) I fully anticipate the price point of the base model to be in the lower side of that range. Heck, they're going to save a fortune just on reduced shipping costs vs. the old heavy-ass MacPro. I still have my original packaging from my 2009 MP that came all the way from China and it's huge!

Anyway, as it stands now I'm in unless the joy fades before it hits the street.
 
Last edited:
Hello,

I agree. The intense conservatism shown here (by the users on the forum, not the admins) is childish. Just about nobody realizes that this Mac Pro is the modular Mac Pro that most people wanted without the clunky design. Is it perfect? Nope. No machine is.

The only hurdle that remains is the insane price of thunderbolt peripherals. Once that is overcome, most of the people here who are now saying "this Mac Pro sucks" will see what their fear of change prevent them from seeing.

Loa

What? "Intense conservatism" often relates to those who want a computer that handles certain tasks as opposed to having some new Apple Art to sit on the table and amaze friends. "Wow, you paid the Apple tax for that?"

There is a reason that pros and power users like great big boxes full of replaceable CPUs, GPUs, HDD, SSDs, and RAM. They work. That is not old school or new school or middle school. It just relates to a machine format that works.

Most Mac Pros sit or hang under a desk. Size is mostly meaningless. Being able to connect to lots of USB, FireWire and eSATA devices is meaningful.

After reading the numerous posts regarding the new Mac Pro I'm of the opinion that those who like it the most are the Mac mini / iMac crowd with aspirations. Those who like it the least appear to be the content creation / pro folks, the real pros.

As with many products from both Apple and other companies slapping "Pro" on something really appeals to those who would like to be a pro or who think they are pro-like. Note that the 13 inch MacBook Pro and Canon Digital Photo Professional are good at what they do but are rather lacking on pro features. There are a zillion other products out there whose more expensive version often has "pro" somewhere in the name.
 
The thing that gets me, really, is the complete lack of internal storage. I don't care what you say about the joys of SSD, they are expensive, small-capacity, and have issues that regular hard drives don't have. By all means, let us have lots of external storage, but make it be in addition to internal storage. It's sort of like Apple expects us to store everything in the iCloud.

The old design was utilitarian, which is all that matters to people who need a workstation. Let the consumers have the pretty Macs.
 
I'm digging the casing of this MP. Piano elegant, but goes in a different direction of the past.

Will this be the next direction of Apple? Going black, I mean.

I've always pondered how the lineup would look if the color options were like the iPhone's.

Anyhoot, I like the changeup they did w/ MP.

people caring more about the color of the casing rather than the power and practicality of the hardware design, is why we ended up with this worthless supercharged mac mini, and why apple's days as a professional platform are numbered.
 
Today with the unveiling of the new 2013 Mac Pro, a whole wave of criticism has come from this site which to say the least is detestable.

Even without any details people jumped to the conclusion that it can not be opened, can't be upgraded and that it is made of plastic. All of which is not true

Such criticism should only be coming from a cheesy Windows 8 supporter who is pissed off about no longer having a start button, not from the MacRumors community. It has become increasingly hard to see who supports the Mac Pro anymore on this once great community.

What has been revealed from Apple with the new Mac Pro has revolutionized the entire personal and professional computer market. It's design is unlike any other computer on the market. The new Mac Pro has changed how we view computer form factors and computer power vs. size.

It is quite obvious that the new Mac Pro will have a new Intel Ivy Bridge E5 2600 v2 12 core processor as shown in leaked roadmaps. At a minimum for people who hate the look of the Mac Pro this will provide Hackintosh users with power management for the newest generation Intel chips.

For those who want expandability with graphics cards, just like with the Saphire HD 7950, there will be alternative options for the Mac Pro. The Mac Pro is not closed.

Apple has equipped the Mac Pro with 6 of the fastest memory I/O's in the world and still complaints about hard drive expandability are excessive. Every major manufacture of external hard drives manufactures Thunderbolt devices. The reason for this is because the future is on the cloud, not on your hard drive.

This computer is called a "Pro" for a reason, and it's not because it's built for every poor cretin on this site who owns an iPhone. In fact most of the people on here who say they wouldn't buy it now wouldn't buy a new mac pro in the old form factor simply because it costs too much.

Are you scared of change? Scared of innovation? Scared of computers that are not box shaped? Or are you just so caught up in your own view of the world that you fail to see what is truly in front of you? Apple is showing you what you want, that's their job, you just don't know it yet.

Yeah, some of the criticism is as you say; uninformed, untrue, and even stupid.

But that doesn't mean all of it is. Also you are making some mistakes as well. It is not "open" as you say. And unless several WinTel makers change over to a unified heat-sink there will not be 3rd party GPU options available for it. We will be stuck with ONLY Apple offerings which is one of the very intended purposes of this design.

I do agree that the idiots posting trashcans and stuff should have their posts deleted (or moved to some other sub-forum [do we have one for Jokes?]) and they are probably nothing more than trolls. Trolling is against the rules here. But in the same breath you're going too far in the other direction. Just look at the responses you're getting if you don't think you're going too far.

The new MP6,1 has not by any means "revolutionized the entire personal and professional computer market" as you said. Not even kinda close. The new MP6,1 is a current spec workstation that's been stripped to the point of no longer being a workstation, and sports a highly engineered new form factor. So what's new here? The form factor - that's it! Nothing more.

Now Apple deserves a lot of respect IMO for this form factor! It's literally thinking outside the box! Awesome stuff! Especially if they pass along some of the cost cuts in the form of lower sticker prices!!! And it that becomes true I'm buying one! But I'm not even a Professional any longer - I'm retired. If I were still working doing what I used to do I wouldn't touch this new design to use as a workstation unless it was incredibly inexpensive ($1k or so). Here's just one example of why not:

I became active on this site once again about 4 months ago or so - looking to upgrade my system and hunting for new hacks and techniques. On the issue of GPU one of the issues anyone considering a MP6,1 should be paying attention to, I found everyone recommending the GTX 570. A few days later a new ATI card was released. A month or so later the GTX 670 and 680 started to see many recommendations and proof-of-function installations. Just a few months after that we are now already talking about the GTX 7xx cards. That's just in the past half year or less and the GTX 770 is a dramatic improvement over the GTX 570. What would anyone interested in any of the 4 card options I just mentioned, do if they had a MacPro6,1?

Now, I think that TB2 is in most cases fast enough to handle something like a 670 or probably any of the single chip cards without typical users noticing any difference. So Games, 3D modeling and animation, web browsing, and even matte compositing probably won't take a hit. But how about for the other people, cards with dual chips and two VRAM banks, and when the GTX 990 is released? What then how about them? With the new MP6,1 if Apple keeps to similar policies as in the past, they will have to suffer waiting on Apple to release a card upgrade indeed IF Apple even does at all.

And this is the trouble with closed proprietary systems. Even just the little bit of propriety that Apple imbued into the MP1,1 ~ 5,1 has caused us all endless headaches and forced us to turn to very unprofessional solutions such as hacks boot-screen forfeiture, and so on. Now we're looking at a system with buttloads of propriety in the new MP6,1 and some of us know very well what that will incur as we attempt to maintain our system(s) over the next 3 to 5 years.
 
as a prof. i really don't understand this "lets make the mac pro small in size" idea...Design is one thing but in all honesty i couldn't care less on how my workstation looks like and i'm guessing its the same for the majority of people whom use the mac pro as a workstation.

All i care about is performance and the possibility to upgrade when need be.

So in short, if this new design is not limiting me in what i need, is good in performance and is reasonably priced then i'm perfectly ok with it...if its limiting my workflow than i'll consider it a failure in terms of "a computer for professionals"

I feel that apple is taking this idea of making things that look good a bit too far, design seems to be their Nr1 concern. Thats ok for itoys and people whom are heavy into hypes, but not for a computer that functions as a workhorse, the only thing i want my computer to do is get the job done point blank
 
How could anyone criticize such an amazing piece of design work? Give me a break.

But I shouldn't be surprised, all these forums are like that. I can't even venture into Xbox One boards anymore.
 
How could anyone criticize such an amazing piece of design work? Give me a break.

But I shouldn't be surprised, all these forums are like that. I can't even venture into Xbox One boards anymore.

Because non-utilitarian design is irrelevant to professionals making money off of their machines. They don't need it to look pretty, they just need it to work.

Does the new design work? For many, it doesn't. So they criticize.
 
Amongst all this we should be praising progress, and all you stick in the muds need to lead, follow, or get out of the way.

What glaring deficiency did this solve, what can you now do with this computer that you couldn't do with the old one?

TB in the same quantity could have been added to the old Chassis..
 
Today with the unveiling of the new 2013 Mac Pro, a whole wave of criticism has come from this site which to say the least is detestable.

Not liking the design and criticizing it for what it obviously lacks is not detestable. Just because apple is the only company in the world that has feelings, doesn't mean that this new macpro design has feelings.

Even without any details people jumped to the conclusion that it can not be opened, can't be upgraded and that it is made of plastic. All of which is not true

The majority of complaints are about the design, expandability and upgradablity, and there is clearly enough information to start making criticisms. Where are you going two gpus in this thing for example... anyway this gets revisted later in your post.

Such criticism should only be coming from a cheesy Windows 8 supporter who is pissed off about no longer having a start button, not from the MacRumors community. It has become increasingly hard to see who supports the Mac Pro anymore on this once great community.

wut? Ya cause windows 8 supporters spend so much time on Macrumors site? And as if they wouldn't still be using win 7 anyway. We end up with bad designs because of this white knight fanboi mentality. Loyalty to a company is ridiculous.
Smart consumers support quality products that serve their purposes, fools support companies.

What has been revealed from Apple with the new Mac Pro has revolutionized the entire personal and professional computer market. It's design is unlike any other computer on the market. The new Mac Pro has changed how we view computer form factors and computer power vs. size.

It hasn't "revolutionized" anything. it would have to be adopted as a mainstream design principle to revolutionize the industry. if anything is premature and lacking merit, its this statement.

Not to mention that almost no professional company cares about the ascetic design of a workstation.

It is quite obvious that the new Mac Pro will have a new Intel Ivy Bridge E5 2600 v2 12 core processor as shown in leaked roadmaps. At a minimum for people who hate the look of the Mac Pro this will provide Hackintosh users with power management for the newest generation Intel chips.

ok...? Not like apple will ever support the hackintosh community

For those who want expandability with graphics cards, just like with the Saphire HD 7950, there will be alternative options for the Mac Pro. The Mac Pro is not closed.

Apple has equipped the Mac Pro with 6 of the fastest memory I/O's in the world and still complaints about hard drive expandability are excessive. Every major manufacture of external hard drives manufactures Thunderbolt devices. The reason for this is because the future is on the cloud, not on your hard drive.

And this is where you start to make some valid points. The fact of the matter however, is that macs "alternative options" will never match or keep up with the top Nvidea and ATI cards.

This computer is called a "Pro" for a reason, and it's not because it's built for every poor cretin on this site who owns an iPhone. In fact most of the people on here who say they wouldn't buy it now wouldn't buy a new mac pro in the old form factor simply because it costs too much.

Its called "Pro" because its suppose to be a professional system that servers the needs of professionals. How is an overpriced hardware system that requires even more unnecessary purchases of external enclosures, external drives, and limits on upgradablity fit the needs of a professional?

Are you scared of change? Scared of innovation? Scared of computers that are not box shaped? Or are you just so caught up in your own view of the world that you fail to see what is truly in front of you? Apple is showing you what you want, that's their job, you just don't know it yet.

And here is where you go overboard. "scared of changes.... view of the world"?

No. We aren't scared. Some of us like functionality, practicality and performance rather than wasting money. As far as i'm concerned, all this new design has done is revolutionize the way apple tries to take money from its customers. Why you think this design does anything to serve the professional market is beyond me.
 
Last edited:
The Apple Inc Apologist Crew has been mobilized. I see several of them on here today.

They extoll the joys of external peripherals, one even posted disturbing photos of an aborted....oh, it was a GPU with wires dangling off of it on a desktop, never mind.

Yes, new folk with carefully articulated "bullet points" singing the raptures of this new tech which we unthinking trolls can't comprehend.

Funny how they all showed up today, isn't it?

Yeah I know. Ridiculous.

Meanwhile...... the headline on cnn.com reads "The beautiful new Apple computer most people won't buy".

All of a sudden, today, there are several handfuls of posts from newly-registered members extolling the virtues of Apple, and "how dare people knock such a beautiful machine", etc, and so forth. My guess would be that Apple deployed a few "spoilers" in here to try and turn the negative sentiment around.

They are SO far off the mark on this thing it's sad. And planting "posi-trolls" in the forums to stick up for the iGarbageCan does not help their cause.
 
Even without any details people jumped to the conclusion that it can not be opened, can't be upgraded and that it is made of plastic. All of which is not true

Such criticism should only be coming from a cheesy Windows 8 supporter who is pissed off about no longer having a start button, not from the MacRumors community. It has become increasingly hard to see who supports the Mac Pro anymore on this once great community.

What has been revealed from Apple with the new Mac Pro has revolutionized the entire personal and professional computer market. It's design is unlike any other computer on the market. The new Mac Pro has changed how we view computer form factors and computer power vs. size.

It is quite obvious that the new Mac Pro will have a new Intel Ivy Bridge E5 2600 v2 12 core processor as shown in leaked roadmaps. At a minimum for people who hate the look of the Mac Pro this will provide Hackintosh users with power management for the newest generation Intel chips.

For those who want expandability with graphics cards, just like with the Saphire HD 7950, there will be alternative options for the Mac Pro. The Mac Pro is not closed.

Apple has equipped the Mac Pro with 6 of the fastest memory I/O's in the world and still complaints about hard drive expandability are excessive. Every major manufacture of external hard drives manufactures Thunderbolt devices. The reason for this is because the future is on the cloud, not on your hard drive.

This computer is called a "Pro" for a reason, and it's not because it's built for every poor cretin on this site who owns an iPhone. In fact most of the people on here who say they wouldn't buy it now wouldn't buy a new mac pro in the old form factor simply because it costs too much.

Are you scared of change? Scared of innovation? Scared of computers that are not box shaped? Or are you just so caught up in your own view of the world that you fail to see what is truly in front of you? Apple is showing you what you want, that's their job, you just don't know it yet.

For someone who doesn't like others jumping to conclusions your post is filled with them. And I agree with someone else here that said your post is pedaling the same noise you supposedly hate just coming from the other direction ("Are you scared of change" etc - trolling nonsense).
 
Hyperbole doesn't really help settle down the rancor on these message boards. Dense packing powerful boxes has been done by folks in the past. Evolutionary, but revolutionary not even in the slightest. Some minor specifics of the implementation (e.g., the specific proporitions and the tube shape. that differnent ) The components and packaging not so much.

Well said again .

Whatever one likes or doesn't like about the new MP, it's not revolutionary, radical, progressive, or introducing any significant technological innovations . It's just small .

Apple uses the bits and pieces anyone else is using, or will be using when they are available, has a few parts custom tailored for fit, and puts everything in a beautifully engineered, very small case .

Original to a degree, yes, innovative, not a bit .

Had the same stuff been put into the old case, using the same , but unmodified components, the fanboys would blame it for not beeing the second coming (as what they regard exactly the same thing in a new, small case), but the rest of the complaints would just be the usual bluray bitching and GPU discussions .

Change will come to the many users who will need to rethink their current gear arrangments, and big change for those who will feel they have to switch to a Windows machine .

Zero change for anyone else .
 
How could anyone criticize such an amazing piece of design work? Give me a break.

But I shouldn't be surprised, all these forums are like that. I can't even venture into Xbox One boards anymore.

Steve jobs once said that when cars were new most everything resembled a truck in some fashion. Everyone drove the same thing, but that with time, workers and farmers continued to need trucks and the rest of us were able to use more stylish and comfortable cars.

What you are missing here is that Apple essentially delivered a pickup truck that doesn't have a bed, uses the most expensive fuel money can buy, and requires expensive trailers to attach the most basic storage. But hey, who cares, because it's pretty and different.
 
What you are missing here is that Apple essentially delivered a pickup truck that doesn't have a bed, uses the most expensive fuel money can buy, and requires expensive trailers to attach the most basic storage. But hey, who cares, because it's pretty and different.


I think you just hit the nail on the head my friend.



Mods, you can now close all of the 2013 Mac Pro threads. We are done here. :apple:
 
As I am unquestionably unqualified to talk techie spec's (I'm just a dumb artist), I nevertheless felt a great sense of relief when I saw the sneak peak of the new Mac Pro.

Why? Because it answered the question for me as to whether Apple was still committed to the high-end user market. The radical re-design clearly reflects a serious developmental and financial investment on the part of the organization. They wouldn't do that if they felt the market wasn't worth the effort.

Of course, it remains to be seen whether this new direction succeeds with the market. I suspect it may do well with those of us who want machines that are powerful AND well designed. Will that be enough? Who knows?

I may buy one myself when my 3,1 gives up the ghost (I'm in no hurry).
 
In french mac community we got similar attitude, many people are stuck in the 1990's on their hardware conception and they don't see the difference between "a pro computer user" and "a professional who use computer".

...

BUT, but, but, I just temperate my enthusiasm because for now we have no idea of the price (and noise, even we will have more idea on the Pixar/Adobe demo during the WWDC).

100% agree with you. I think it's a fantastic design. All drives for us now are external RAID. The inside is a vast empty space. Give me a compact modern design with silent fans any day. I can't wait to get these bad boys in our work environment. Happy days. Lets hope they bring out some monitors to match!

C
 
It depends on what the base processor, SSD and memory configuration will be. It is possible for it to come in at the $2500 to $3000 range, however we won't know for sure until Apple makes the announcement.

In no way will it come in around $2,500, the GPU's alone will be costing around $2,000, that's if Apple get a 60% discount on retail.

The recommended config is going to cost at least a Kidney.
 
In no way will it come in around $2,500, the GPU's alone will be costing around $2,000, that's if Apple get a 60% discount on retail.

The recommended config is going to cost at least a Kidney.

No, the GPUs in the announcement will not be in the base Mac Pro. They are a BTO option and there will be cheaper options for the base. This was mentioned in the keynote.
 
I tend to do that when design work gets in the way of actual work.

I think it's the absolute opposite here. This machine just gets out of the way and let's you stop worrying about cramming crap in to it that is better suited out of the box. The less our guys have to dig around inside a machine the better it is in my opinion.

C
 
No, the GPUs in the announcement will not be in the base Mac Pro. They are a BTO option and there will be cheaper options for the base. This was mentioned in the keynote.

Have a quick search around. The cheapest Workstation Class FirePro branded GPU the W600 is still going to be about $600 for the pair - minimum..Even though they are just rebranded Radeons. As MVC has just shown.

At least Apple are still giving people technology that is already almost 18 months old.
 
Have a quick search around. The cheapest Workstation Class FirePro branded GPU the W600 is still going to be about $600 for the pair - minimum..Even though they are just rebranded Radeons. As MVC has just shown.

At least Apple are still giving people technology that is already almost 18 months old.

These are custom made boards and apple won't be paying anywhere near retail prices for them.
 
Hello,

I agree. The intense conservatism shown here (by the users on the forum, not the admins) is childish. Just about nobody realizes that this Mac Pro is the modular Mac Pro that most people wanted without the clunky design. Is it perfect? Nope. No machine is.

The only hurdle that remains is the insane price of thunderbolt peripherals. Once that is overcome, most of the people here who are now saying "this Mac Pro sucks" will see what their fear of change prevent them from seeing.

Loa

But how is a clutter of accessories on a desk better than a mid or compact tower from a competitor with everything inside and neat. The old mac pro was too large for a lot of people and could have shrunk. But this new form factor is a joke for the pro market and in many ways is worse. A smaller tower form factor would have been a much better solution.

For pro users something like this is much better and more appropriate than this new design which is full of compromises and will only make a desk more cluttered. The target market was not asking for what apple gave them. The people that do buy it are simply settling because they have no other choice if they want to remain using Mac OS X. The new design also needlessly increases the price for a form factor that frankly provides zero benefits to the user.

img_hero-z220.png
 
Last edited:
I think it's the absolute opposite here. This machine just gets out of the way and let's you stop worrying about cramming crap in to it that is better suited out of the box. The less our guys have to dig around inside a machine the better it is in my opinion.

C

I should have made it clear - when I said "real work" I was referring to my work. As always, your mileage may vary.

Nothing I put inside the box is better suited outside the box - otherwise it would already be outside. It's not exactly hard right now to have external drives, and I've yet to see a compelling case that PCI cards are better in external enclosures. Not terminally screwed, but that's different than better.

On the other hand, I now have to worry about securing two things (CPU and disk array) from walking away with sensitive data instead of just one (CPU with the disks inside).

And more importantly, I have to deal with a "design" that while elegant is made for someone else's workflow, and is actively bad for mine. The ability to use off-the-rack(ish) GPUs would have been perfect. A bespoke Titan would have been better. A general use AMD card would have been better. Twin FirePros? The exact opposite of what I'm looking for.

The design is elegant, and beautiful, but requires just enough nagging compromises that it annoys me, and has me looking at other options. The Mac Pro was essentially a zero compromise system when I bought it. The new Mac Pro has some plusses and some serious minuses - which means the major minus for other systems (the lack of OS X) look somewhat less...fatal...in comparison.
 
Last edited:
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.