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The Mac Pro Criticism
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You don't know that, that is it? Unless you have one in your home and you would care to share the the details can you really say that only the Ram and SSD are open? Your argument was: There will be no replacement for the cards, to : There won't be the number of cards I wan't therefore its useless. Who uses a 12 core computer and worries about their power bill? Its going to be a $5k computer? I do seriously want to call a computer that uses one heat sink instead of 3 or 4 revolutionary? Like its so simple I can't see why it actually has not been done before?
Yeah, I agree with you. But you might have missed my intent. I was agreeing that images of trashcans and ashtrays is maybe going too far and kind of inappropriate.
Nothing more than that really...
OK, time to move on to another thread. This one is getting whiney and mopey. Some posters cannot handle opinions that are contrary to their own. I don't think there is anything more to be learned here as we're going around in circles.
Yup, I think she should too. That last post was just babble. Fighting windmills and putting words in my mouth I never said. I guess she's on a mission or something.
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Agree.
The new Mac Pro is only complete with all its accessories...
It really hits home when you see a picture like that.
If apple put the innards of the new Mac pro in chassis similar to the current one so people could still install internal 3.5" drives and pci cards everyone would be happy. The new design does not have any upsides that i can see besides the smaller footprint which is pointless anyway.
I've waited a while to see how this would play out. I'm not sure why Apple didn't come out with a 1 RU unit that would rack (along with my server and NAS.) That would have been "Pro". The cylinder (even on it's side) will take more space, and require pretzel logic to interface with my studio.
Very unfortunate - this coming from a "Pro" who has used Mac's since my 9600.
MGM
Very unfortunate - this coming from a "Pro" who has used Mac's since my 9600.
MGM
So that means total radio silence until november/december?
About as realistic as replacing PCIE with TB.
Sure, but until Apple make more announcements, the entire upgradability, performance, or value questions have no answers. You can debate theories, but it's a little early to declare exactly what the new Mac Pro will and won't be useful for.
Yeah, except that is actually happening.
Does anyone have any info on the TB GPU chassis that Silverstone demoed?
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7040/computex-2013-thunderbolt-graphics-from-silverstone
No, that would have been Server (commercial or maybe corporate if you wish to equate to the word "Pro"). Datacenter Server parts are typically not associated with Pro Workstation grade systems from a user-centric perspective.
To be clear it seems to currently break down into 3 sections relative to this discussion:
- Server
- Workstation
- Desktop
And part of their respective definitions include:
- Server
- Distributed.
- Extremely scalable!
- Usually in RACK or Blade form
- Extreme redundancy available
- Extreme data integrity maintained
- Highly accessible standard components
- Workstation
- Self Contained
- Very scalable!
- Usually in tower form
- Redundancy available
- Data integrity maintained
- Accessible standard components
- Desktop
- Self Contained
- Sometimes scalable!
- Several form factors available (all-in-one, console type, DT case, etc.)
- Redundancy sometimes available
- Data integrity on a hope.
- Sometimes accessible components - tho often proprietary.
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Think everyone is judging really early, From the design shown though it does appear to be proprietary design for graphics processing.
There will definitely be multiple options available and I believe that this probably means that there will be a way to change it, or upgrade it in the future. Though lost is the ability to use the available PC Graphics cards.
The fact it is only 1 CPU does upset me, hopefully there will be a possible change of some sort on this in the future though. I do tend to believe the CPU will be upgradable in the future rather than soldered in.
There are legitimate concerns here, but I for one would reserve final judgement till we actually see the final product.
The one criticism I don't really get is the people panicking about if CUDA will be possible, because I am sure if enough Pros request it I am sure Apple will make sure to offer a CUDA powerhouse as a BTO Option. Just wondering on another note but aren't many CUDA accelerated applications also working on OpenCL support, I know Premiere Pro is.
I hope Apple is aggressive with this and prices it very aggressively, because honestly pros money isn't what apple will be wanting on a per product basis, but more likely their loyalty which = tons of new apple users as pros are generally the people who recommend computers to most people. The uninformed will ask people they believe know what they are talking about so the more Apple keeps happy the better.
If I am honest I am a bit skeptical at this point with this Pro, but I think it will grow on me, and hopefully be priced reasonably to the point it will make sense to buy it once I am able to save up.
There will definitely be multiple options available and I believe that this probably means that there will be a way to change it, or upgrade it in the future. Though lost is the ability to use the available PC Graphics cards.
The fact it is only 1 CPU does upset me, hopefully there will be a possible change of some sort on this in the future though. I do tend to believe the CPU will be upgradable in the future rather than soldered in.
There are legitimate concerns here, but I for one would reserve final judgement till we actually see the final product.
The one criticism I don't really get is the people panicking about if CUDA will be possible, because I am sure if enough Pros request it I am sure Apple will make sure to offer a CUDA powerhouse as a BTO Option. Just wondering on another note but aren't many CUDA accelerated applications also working on OpenCL support, I know Premiere Pro is.
I hope Apple is aggressive with this and prices it very aggressively, because honestly pros money isn't what apple will be wanting on a per product basis, but more likely their loyalty which = tons of new apple users as pros are generally the people who recommend computers to most people. The uninformed will ask people they believe know what they are talking about so the more Apple keeps happy the better.
If I am honest I am a bit skeptical at this point with this Pro, but I think it will grow on me, and hopefully be priced reasonably to the point it will make sense to buy it once I am able to save up.
I don't get why people are complaining about this. What is left that doesn't support OpenCL? OpenCL on FirePro is outbenching CUDA on NVidia.
CUDA and OpenCL are just front ends to the exact same thing. There isn't really an advantage for one over the other.
The New Mac Pro Mantra "There an adapter for that"
Maybe the PROBLEM is that people don't like to have one or the other crammed down their throats. They want to choose.
"Yeah, I know you ordered Coke, but drink this Pepsi instead, it's made of the same stuff, now DRINK"
Maybe the PROBLEM is that people don't like to have one or the other crammed down their throats. They want to choose.
"Yeah, I know you ordered Coke, but drink this Pepsi instead, it's made of the same stuff, now DRINK"
If that is the primary criteria it is perplexing how CUDA could be the answer. It is a one vendor proprietary solution.
This is far more about folks who have dung in their heels and don't want to choice. Because CUDA isn't about choice at all.
Great. If that's a problem, NVidia should open it up and let it run on ATI cards.
If you're mad about CUDA choices being forced on you maybe you should be looking at other vendors to blame.
I don't think there is any technical reason why CUDA couldn't generate code for ATI cards as well. CUDA even runs on x86 processors.
It's still software dependent. For example, After Effect's 3d raytracing renderer will not work. Adobe may update this at some point, but it's examples like this that have people concerned.
CUDA has a lot of technical weight, and for those of us developing our own stuff that's going to be targeted at a heavier duty CUDA solution, "Gee boss, we need to rewrite a massive project because Apple really likes their new system" isn't going to fly.
To put it another way: Options > No Options.
Of course anyone developing for CUDA instead of OpenCL already made the choice that they were going to lock themselves out of any non-NVidia hardware.
This isn't some brand new conundrum Apple has suddenly created. This is always the choice that's existed and if you chose CUDA you made that choice long ago. Now suddenly people want to cry about it. Should have seen this train coming when Apple came out with OpenCL years ago and started pushing it because it wasn't tied to proprietary hardware.
If any developer locked themselves onto Nvidia, or any user locked themselves onto an app that has no plans to move to OpenCL, they shouldn't be surprised when they're more limited in what machines they could buy. What's next, demanding that Apple offer both Nvidia and AMD GPUs on Macbook Pros? How about PowerPC chips for everyone who still has PowerPC apps?
This is another one of those cases where the old way was better. Like Apple we now have you to tell us what we need and thats great
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What a massive assumption that couldn't be further from the truth. 24 cores for me virtually means time cut almost in half when it comes to rendering my projects in Maya. Now what exactly are you trolling about?