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But how is a clutter of accessories on a desk better than a mid or compact tower from a competitor with everything inside and neat. The old mac pro was too large for a lot of people and could have shrunk. But this new form factor is a joke for the pro market and in many ways is worse. A smaller tower form factor would have been a much better solution.

Until atrocious peecees took over the market, workstations were small. And yes, if you had a Sun workstation and you needed additional storage (or even an optical drive) you needed to clutter your desk with external enclosures and thick, difficult to handle SCSI cables.

Of course, in larger installations you relied on centralized storage served through NFS and the users just had the cute little box.

With the new Mac Pro you can go back to that. I guess soon we will see Thunderbolt->10 GbEthernet controllers so that these machines will be able to work with large storage subsystems.

At the same time, the power consumption of a room with several of these Mac Pros, even the necessary air conditioning power for an office, will be greatly reduced.

The deal breaker to move from internal expansion to external is simple: I/O bandwidth and flexibility. In the old times of the Unix workstations, SCSI was the same regardless of being internal or external. When the industry moved to cheaper alternatives such as ATA and SATA, external storage (based on USB or Firewire) was subject to the external bottleneck, so it was important to have internal storage expansion.

But, today? Thunderbolt attached PCIe controllers should be indisguishible from internally attached controllers. There's no penalty beyond a thin cable on your desk.

And the same happens with PCIe peripherals. Even Firewire is much more limited than PCIe, so *internal* PCIe was the obvious choice for many peripherals. Thunderbolt transports PCIe in a way completely transparent to the drivers, as far as I know, so that means there is no penalty.

Does it make sense to keep manufacturing huge and heavy computers? Not at all. People could as well start a petition to Apple for the inclusion of parallel printer, VGA and RS232 ports :D :D
 
I think unless people in this thread have used the new Mac Pro, know the hardware specs, know the release price, or know the launch details, they're all talking out of their a**.

And that means people on both sides.

I don't consider myself to be on a side. I like to be in the middle with cautious and pragmatic optimism. Lots of people have been crying for years now about no new Mac Pro. But, given the information we have so far we can already discuss, criticise and applaud quite a lot of things. Not knowing all of the details does not stop us from making logical conclusions and discussing those.

There are many things that I am happy to see on the new Mac Pro and many things that I am not happy about. However, I have been waiting for an excuse to buy a proper rack cabinet and the new Mac Pro gives me a reason to do it. It's not ideal, but it will solve most of my concerns.
 
Thunderbolt doesn't give enough bandwidth for external PCIe as fast as even a 4x lanes slot.

I have been speaking to a guy I know with responsibility for running a setup with 30 Mac Pros. He was looking to upgrade soon. They have RedRocket cards in every Mac Pro at the moment as well as a decent GPU. New Mac Pro won't allow that and they have now decided to migrate to Windows.

I am sure there are plenty of other professionals out there coming to the same conclusion.
 
Cindy-Bob, have you finished the new MacPro?
Bob-That’s it right there
Cindy-It’s so cute! Is it expandable?
Bob-Well, not internally. If you have invested heavily in PCIe hardware you will have to purchase a TB2 expansion chassis.
Cindy-How does the new MP compare to the 3.1, 4.1 and 5.1 models?
Bob-Well, we were going to post comparisons with programs such as: Avid’s Media Composer and Protools, Autodesk’s Maya and Mudbox, Side Effects Houdini, Maxon’s Cinema 4D, The Foundry’s Nuke and Adobe’s CS6.
Cindy-That’s great! So before anyone buys the new MP they can see real world numbers using pro apps! Including Raid vs.TB2? Wait! What do you mean “you were going to?” What happened to that idea?
Bob-Isn’t the new MP cute!? :p
 
I am sure there are plenty of other professionals out there coming to the same conclusion.

I agree, and while it's still a sad thing (ex MacPro is iconic), if they price this thing right, it'll appeal to other clientel - myself included. Maybe you'd call them prosumer, Idk. And while it's still a harsh call made by apple, it fits into its 'recent' business model / CI. End of an era somehow, but the writing has been on the wall, and Apple's much to consistent and straight forward to pander to a (most loyal!!) niche market.

That said, it would have been a nice move to follow the introduction of the rMBP alongside the cMBP. But I'm far from knowledgable (?) if a cMP would have been a solution for what you called plenty of other professionals.
 
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This thread amuses me. It consists of two groups:

Group 1) 'The new Mac Pro doesn't do what I want it to do, and I'm a Pro, so therefore then new Mac Pro ISN'T Pro, and therefore SUCKS! And so does anyone who likes it!'

Group 2) 'The new Mac Pro does what I need it to do, and I'm a Pro, so therefore it is AWESOME, and anyone who doesn't like it SUCKS!'

So funny.

Can't we just agree that we DON'T KNOW ENOUGH about it yet to decide one way or the other???

No???

Didn't think so. :rolleyes:
 
For what its worth my take to the OP post is that either you live in a cave or have only been exposed to Apple product your whole life. Lets skip the "Apple" product line for a bit, get out of the closet or cave and realize that PC's only have a half million different form factors. I have seen PC's built within toilet bowls, actual trash cans, R2-D2's, and many many more other things so I think you should venture outside of the "Apple" line for a minute or two to discover what kind of form factors computers have been designed within and around because its quite impressing.

Now my take on this whole cylinder / can like shap form factor is that its not all that breath through when considering Sony once had some pretty cool designs like their Vaio that was done years ago that was a flattend rounded like disc player (can't think of the model off the top of my head at the momment). The unit was small (smaller than this new Mac Pro) and quite impressing for its time and would still be in this current time period.

I also like how you high light the fact of how some people who mock this new design does so because he / she could probably never had afforded the previous model as it sat when it was available. Price wise I am sure you get what you pay for and the Mac Pro is the Apple high-end line if you will but as I don't recall what the starting base models started at I'm quite sure it wasn't too far fetched from a max spec iMac or Macbook Pro.

I can say right now that having not have purchased the new iMacs I would definitely consider one of these depending on the overall clutter by the means of how many things I would probably need to hook up to it. A 4TB minimum HD would be fine for me and a nice Thunderbolt 27" monitor would also suit it nicely as well. But as with all my setups I hate having wire clutter. Speakers, Printers, etc etc. All these little odds and ends things will lead you to have lots of wire clutter and with how the form factor sits it would be a chellenge to keep the area around such a beautiful machine nice and clean.
 
Speakers, Printers, etc etc. All these little odds and ends things will lead you to have lots of wire clutter and with how the form factor sits it would be a chellenge to keep the area around such a beautiful machine nice and clean.

I totally agree. The fact that this new Mac Pro does not have a printer, scanner and high fidelity speakers built in shows that it is not a pro machine!
 
I'll wait...

...until it's out in the wild before I cast any aspursions. Would like to see how you're supposed to rack mount it though!
 
I don't deny that it would be fantastic if in the future was there was a 24 core version. However coming and saying that its a piece of crap for only having 12 is laughable.

nobody said it's crap. it's just half as fast as it could be. some people need the rendering speed more than everything else.
the "up to 12 cores" part on the apple website destroyed it for me personally (and it seems final, by the looks of it), but on the other hand, I think it's fair, so we can plan ahead and take a look at other solutions. I pray for a dual socket 2011 implementation in 10.9, so I could stay on OS X with a hackintosh.
 
Rumors talk about 1To baseline SSD, then 2.5 and 5To in option.

ATI keep secret on the GPU used (as only the W9000 fit spec announced), maybe custom product for Apple or an exclusivity on the the 22nm planned for 2014.
 
nobody said it's crap. it's just half as fast as it could be. some people need the rendering speed more than everything else.
the "up to 12 cores" part on the apple website destroyed it for me personally (and it seems final, by the looks of it), but on the other hand, I think it's fair, so we can plan ahead and take a look at other solutions. I pray for a dual socket 2011 implementation in 10.9, so I could stay on OS X with a hackintosh.

Actually a lot of people said its crap and even more people said it was more than crap... I'm pretty sure dual high end firepros will be enough for the most out there professional in terms of rendering power. What would be totally awesome is if the firepros are in crossfire to enable hackintosh crossfire support. What has been tricky is finding what firepros are in the damn thing. Two W8000s are the deal as one W8000 has "3.23" Teraflops of computing power but even then it does not entirely fit the description...
 
Since no one knows what the new CPUs are capable of, it's unfair to say that it will not be an upgrade.

is it?

Even if the single 12 core is twice as fast as the current, the double 12 core would be 4 times as fast.

There are people here that need more power no matter, this sort of ignores that.
 
Rumors talk about 1To baseline SSD, then 2.5 and 5To in option.

ATI keep secret on the GPU used (as only the W9000 fit spec announced), maybe custom product for Apple or an exclusivity on the the 22nm planned for 2014.

Two and a half terrabytes of SSD? I was under the impression that SSDs become too unreliable at two terrabytes? AMD* wouldnt limit a W9000, its too powerful to limit... Could be a possibility with 22nm
 
Hard disks are hardly obsolete, and RAID's are hardly complex. The purpose of RAIDs is to remove catastrophic data loss with that comes with failures. SSD's haven't proven themselves built proof by any means either.

depending on the config RAID is not just for catastrophic data loss. RAID 0 provides no data loss protection just speed.
 
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