Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
The state of the company is a joke! - well said for one of the most profitable companies in the world with huge $ in the bank. Yeah they suck!
Profit and innovation are two different worlds… that’s part of the problem! Apple is not putting out the latest innovation because their focused on making profit. The mobile world have under screen cameras, under screen fingerprint identifiers, 8K 120 frames per second video, Apple does not have the best camera nor video recording, or even off unfoldable phone, or a touchscreen laptop. I’m an apple user have been since the 80s, and just disappointed in the last several years. With that said the jump to the arms architecture and the M series chips was huge. But there is significant opportunity for advancement and innovation that Apple doesn’t want to offer, they would rather milk, their customers for profit for years before they actually offer a true advancement.
 
With the Unified memory, you will never be able to upgrade it. That is a very good thing. The Unified Memory Architecture lets you use system RAM for the GPU and AI related inference tasks. There are things that would have involved me renting time on multi million dollar computers that I can now do on my Mac desktop. It was slow, but just for the fun of it, I ran a simulation on my laptop that would have killed an H100.
I understand that, and the M series CPU is huge advancement, but there’s a lot of other innovation that’s not being addressed.
 
I guess these Mac's will be shown at another "scary fast" event. One can't criticise Apple for telling the truth, Scary will be the price and fast will be the speed with which your savings dwindle. :-> Actually looking at all the criticisms of Apple I really don't get it. they're providing the most advanced machines they've ever made. The quality is excellent. they look nice. Sure their prices are high. If you can't afford 'em or don't like them don't buy them. Why all the negativity? The iPhone/Apple Watch/Airpod Max release was a disappointment but even within that the devices were still the most advanced they've ever produced. It wasn't enough to tempt me so that's why I wont upgrade. Waiting on a new Mac Mini M4 (ideally a pro version with 32gb or 48gb hopefully). If they don't produce it at a sensible price I wont be buying. Apples lost out on over 2.5K of upgrades from me so far this year. I'm sure I'm not the only person whose held off upgrading. It will be interesting to see whether they maintain their (thus far) stellar financial results.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Rokkus76
When you use low wage workers for manufacturing, that is the risk you take. I have no sympathy for apple, when those workers steal from apple and sell to Russians.
If the rumours are correct that it was theft then it has nothing to do with workers’ wages. Unless it was an inside job, but with the amount of workers involved during production, you will always find someone willing to do this regardless of wage. So don’t just blame something.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Tagbert
I don’t think this will happen…. BUT….

I hope they make M4 available on 16” body. I don’t think it’s gonna happen. But there are many users who could greatly benefit from the large screen but are at a point where M4 is enough. 16GB RAM and 1TB + M4 and 16” screen would be perfection.

Especially with the 3 TB4 ports and dual external display support.

PERFECT.

I don’t think this will happen…..
Yep, I was kind of thinking along those same lines. The base M4 more than meets my needs and was thinking a 16" might be preferable to a 14". I agree, I don't think we'll see that option.
 
  • Like
Reactions: FromItalyWithLove
I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. I'm expecting to see a story in the relatively near future where Apple responds to this in one way or another. Somebody is getting charged or getting dropped as a supplier or something. Maybe they want to keep it quiet but I also doubt they are going to let this go.

Rest assured, nothing will happen. Unless the individuals are caught, there is nothing Apple can do but beef up security for next time.

“Foxconn, you’ve been dropped as an assembler.”

“Quanta, you’ve been dropped as an assembler.”

“UPS, you’ve been dropped as our shipper because of the missing pallet.”
 
  • Like
Reactions: CarAnalogy
A deodorant commercial? Really Dan!
That certainly caught my eye when watching. Surely there must be some company that produces some tech related product or service that would be happy to sponsor the show. Get Hartley to start putting the screws to some UK based companies.
 
Rest assured, nothing will happen. Unless the individuals are caught, there is nothing Apple can do but beef up security for next time.

“Foxconn, you’ve been dropped as an assembler.”

“Quanta, you’ve been dropped as an assembler.”

“UPS, you’ve been dropped as our shipper because of the missing pallet.”

If it's one of those three, then no.

But now that you mention it, I don't really want to think about what something like the Foxconn security team might do in response to this...
 
Good points. There's an 800-pound gorilla in the room, so to speak, where routine annual iPhone upgrades are concerned...what's happening in the Android space?

Each year Apple comes out with a new iPhone, and we see an article somewhere comparing the latest Samsung equivalent to it and asking which is better. I don't follow the Android phone and tablet market closely; are they, too, running into a progressively escalating difficulty improving on a very mature product line (smart phones and tablets)?


Yes Samsung is in the exact same boat. At the end of the day all of this tech is roughly the same. Just very mature designs that cannot be improved massively without some major breakthrough. You know you have major issues when the major talking point of phones for years is pixel peeping the cameras trying to spot a difference. It's to the point

It's not just tablets. Macbooks are in this same spot. Hartley even said Macbook's are perfect now. Thats good for consumers but this is all bad for Apple. Marques Brownlee said it here. And even though this video is a bit old he reviewed the M3 Max and decided to keep his M1 Max as there is no meaningful upgrade for him.

 
  • Like
Reactions: drrich2
I don’t think this will happen…. BUT….

I hope they make M4 available on 16” body. I don’t think it’s gonna happen. But there are many users who could greatly benefit from the large screen but are at a point where M4 is enough. 16GB RAM and 1TB + M4 and 16” screen would be perfection.

Especially with the 3 TB4 ports and dual external display support.

PERFECT.

I don’t think this will happen…..
Would the 15” Air with M4 be a solution to that problem?
 
I sure hope that they raise the max storage option. I don’t think they’ve upped it since the first iteration of the current form factor.
 
In fact the strangest thing of that "leak" is the screen wallpaper, unchanged from m3s ...there are two options in my opinion: 1) it's a fake, or 2) Apple will show a slightly different form factor for M4 pros and M4 max macs, maybe more slim, and the old wallpaper in the base M4 is to differentiate it from the other pros macs
 
How much of the 25% is due to two extra cores in this comparison? "The M4 chip with a 10-core CPU is 25% faster than the M3's 8-core CPU." Albeit, if this is the now Mac Standard M4 core count, this still is a decent bump....It will be interesting to see the single core specs. This is coming from someone who bought an MBP Max 6 months ago lol.
Everything is "25%" faster on paper / benchmark tests and then actually about 5% faster in the real world.
 
Apple is a dinosaur that thinks their "events" are relevant. Build the product, release the product. Sitting on it so you can pretend that it needs to roll down a red carpet to be presented to the unwashed masses is past its time. The fact that someone got a pallet of macbook pros while Apple is shooting their next ridiculous video makes me laugh.
 
If you can't afford 'em or don't like them don't buy them. Why all the negativity?
With PC vendors, we have that option...if Dell doesn't have what I'm looking for, check out ASUS, Acer, Lenovo, etc... With Apple, it's take it or leave it. We get that a company is out to make money, but there are limits to the level of blatant self-serving product design limitation beyond which some customers will, at least in discussion forums and YouTube videos, 'call them on it.' Sometimes feeding the fires of negativity stirs up enough pushback to do some good, although when it comes to changing anything about Apple's approach, it seems to take a LOT of pushback. Kinda like when they appeared to grudgingly acknowledge that maybe the 'trashcan' MacPro wasn't such a hot idea. Then again, they stuck with butterfly keyboards and the old 'hockey puck' mouse for years...
Apple is a dinosaur that thinks their "events" are relevant.
I tend to think along the same lines, but historically the practical reality may differ because humans aren't just biological robots/logic-based beings. I recall when Gil Amelio was CEO and presented a strong brand name flashlight as the example to be emulated, the 'build a better mousetrap and they will come' approach. That's how I think. Apple was floundering badly. Then Steve Jobs came back with his 'sell the sizzle, not the steak' approach and reputation for a 'reality distortion field,' and Apple's fortunes did a 180.

I don't watch their live-streaming events. I go to Mac Rumors and skim over the summaries, reading some more in depth when I find something relevant to me. I like to cut through the 'sizzle' and analyze what the 'steak' means for me. But I can't ignore the impact of marketing style on their success.
 
As expected, confirmed by Gurman these are real.

Apple’s new MacBook Pro indeed shows up in Russia weeks before announcement. In 2010, a yet-to-be-announced iPhone 4 made its way to Gizmodo after being picked up at a bar and sold. But this might be even an even more surprising development: Scores of unannounced M4 MacBook Pros — ready for retail sale — got into the wrong hands overseas and appeared on a pair of Russian YouTube channels (1, 2). I can confirm that these are indeed Apple’s upcoming M4 MacBook Pros. And given that Apple has shut off its sales to Russia, I believe these were stolen elsewhere in Europe before being sent to the country.

How did this happen before the product was even announced? Well, Apple wants to be able to get devices into the hands of consumers as soon as possible after introduction. So it spends weeks filling up warehouses in many parts of the world ahead of time. There are also thousands of unannounced new iMacs and Mac minis out there as well (they just haven’t popped up on YouTube). I expect the new Mac models to begin going on sale around Nov. 1. Apple should be unveiling them in the next few weeks, in line with plans I reported several months ago.

Though the new MacBook Pro update isn’t impressive outside of a much faster M4 chip, the fact that the product got in the hands of Apple outsiders is remarkable. The packaging has the same wallpaper as last year’s M3 MacBook Pro — an odd and rare choice — but I am certain these machines are the real deal. The leaked units appear to represent the new base models, with 16 gigabytes of memory as well as 10 cores apiece for central processing and graphics. The specifications — as well as the internal model numbers for the device — all align with what I’ve been reporting for weeks.


Some people keep harping about the box art, but they stay quiet once they hear M1/M2 MBP boxes were identical. It’s getting really boring.
 
  • Like
Reactions: wbeasley
Apple is a dinosaur that thinks their "events" are relevant. Build the product, release the product. Sitting on it so you can pretend that it needs to roll down a red carpet to be presented to the unwashed masses is past its time. The fact that someone got a pallet of macbook pros while Apple is shooting their next ridiculous video makes me laugh.
you have no idea about marketing, do you?

your release proposal is exactly what happens with the great unwashed masses of phones and laptops.
they roll a new model out with nothing of note every three to six months or so.
and they fade into the clearance or 30% off section quickly.

Samsung at least try to match Apple and package and market their items with some effort.
Even if it means bagging Apple oneyear and then doing the same thing the next.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Tagbert
I'm just curious what RAM options will be especially for the 14" option.

I got a MBP with 32gb of ram and for the first time in my life I don't need this much RAM. I usually am in the low 20s of usage and have been since I've got it.
 
I'm just curious what RAM options will be especially for the 14" option.

I got a MBP with 32gb of ram and for the first time in my life I don't need this much RAM. I usually am in the low 20s of usage and have been since I've got it.
isnt the current rumour they will have 16G in base model? so that sounds like that will suit you.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Tagbert and Big_D
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.