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So it sounds more like these toggles act the way they do because users are too mindless to remember to turn the radios off and on themselves. Sucks that those that DO watch out for the radios have to deal with it.

You don't have to turn the radios off. They're not battery hogs like they used to be.
 
You don't have to turn the radios off. They're not battery hogs like they used to be.

There are other reasons to turn them off, including:

1) Stopping them from piercing your brain when not needed (assuming they do, idk how much radiation they deliver. I always disable all my radios when I go to sleep)
2) If there are vulnerabilities accessible through them, they can be abused without the user knowing
3) Certain environments demand they be turned off, while cellular can stay on
 
So it sounds more like these toggles act the way they do because users are too mindless to remember to turn the radios off and on themselves. Sucks that those that DO watch out for the radios have to deal with it.

Not sure where you’re getting that. I heard something totally different. It sounds to me like there are valid reason for many to not turn off the radios altogether. Additionally it sounds like these aren’t the radios of yesteryear and they don’t suck up your battery like they used to. Finally I’ve heard you might actually use more battery turning WiFi off because it must then use the GPS to determine your location. And sure, it’s helpful to many who forget to turn them back on. I’m guilty of that myself.

Now that I have some personal experience, I’d say WiFi isn’t working for me as advertised. For my use case, it doesn’t meet my needs. I use the Bluetooth toggle however with fantastic success. I love it. If I’m watching a movie on my iPad, I can disconnect my phone from my headphones so it doesn’t interfere while watching my movie (my headphones can connect to two devices at the same time). In the morning, it connects just fine to my car. It’s not about having a good memory or not. It’s about letting a computer take care of a routine workflow for me. I’m thrilled to not have to fool with switching Bluetooth back on every time I get in the car. That was annoying.
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There are other reasons to turn them off, including:

1) Stopping them from piercing your brain when not needed (assuming they do, idk how much radiation they deliver. I always disable all my radios when I go to sleep)
2) If there are vulnerabilities accessible through them, they can be abused without the user knowing
3) Certain environments demand they be turned off, while cellular can stay on

I missed this post. Interesting reasons. I disagree personally. But it’s just my opinion.

1. Like you, I know nothing about much radiation they emit. Unlike you, I feel if it was an unhealthy level, someone out there would be preaching it to the world. It would make the news. Yes, I’m an optimist.

2. I’m a developer, but I know nothing about this area. Sounds plausible. But again, if it was a problem, I think I would have heard about it by now.

3. Never heard of such a thing. Thankfully I’ve not crossed paths with such places yet and haven’t had to deal with it.

You sound more cautious than I. Nothing wrong with that. I do think the option to turn them off altogether would be nice for people. But imagine the confusion of explaining the difference between the two off functions.
 
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How do know whether turning-off wifi and bluetooth from the control center only disconnects the iPhone leaving the radios On?
On my iPhone 5S, when I turn-off wifi in control center and then go to Settings, it shows wifi Off. So, is that feature/bug happening only on the newer iPhones?
 
How do know whether turning-off wifi and bluetooth from the control center only disconnects the iPhone leaving the radios On?
On my iPhone 5S, when I turn-off wifi in control center and then go to Settings, it shows wifi Off. So, is that feature/bug happening only on the newer iPhones?

You are on iOS11? That is odd that it's already Off in the Settings app. Good though but different from what everyone said here and what I've seen with someone else's iPhone 5s. I haven't updated my iDevices because of e.g. this.
 
Yes, I have tested on both iOS11 and 11.01, when I turn-off wifi or bluetooth Off in the Control Center and then go to Settings, it shows Off. I read about about this new wifi disconnecting behavior in iOS11 but don't see it on my 5S.

I was wondering if this new disconnect behavior instead of Off is only on newer iPhones because some people claim that it doesn't draw much power even if the radio is On and not connected. Is this the case for newer iPhones? Can someone with 5S verify this?
You are on iOS11? That is odd that it's already Off in the Settings app. Good though but different from what everyone said here and what I've seen with someone else's iPhone 5s. I haven't updated my iDevices because of e.g. this.
 
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