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Thanks for easing my concern about this issue. To another point...I have been 'sleeping' my iMac during the day and at night. What is your opinion regarding when/how often to actually turn off the machine. I read in other threads most people seem not to turn off their iMacs...ever. Some said they turned them off once a week and used 'sleep' instead. What is your opinion? Thanks in advance.

This topic has been long debated. It used to be recommended that you leave your mac on at all times. OS X runs system maintenance daily, weekly and monthly at some time in the middle of the night (I can't remember exactly what time, I think it was around 3am).

However, these days, most people put their computer to sleep to save power. All of my macs are on an aggressive sleep schedule. I usually have the display sleep in 1 minute, and the computer sleep in after 5 minutes of inactivity (these settings can be found under "Energy Saver" in system preferences).

Most system maintenance tools like Onyx will run the system maintenance scripts for you, so you don't have to worry about leaving your computer on during the night. But you can run system maintenance ANY time you want with the following command (open Terminal - in the Applications -> Utilities folder, or open it with spotlight, and type the following):

sudo periodic daily weekly monthly

Then enter your password. It usually takes a minute or two.

I RARELY shut down my mac. I'd say maybe once every 3 weeks or so. When I do, I often reset the PRAM as another maintenance procedure, although you by no means have to do it regularly. You can do this by holding down command+option+P+R.

I've given you a much more complex answer than you asked for, so in a nutshell:

I'd venture to say that most mac users shut their computers down rarely, primarily for convenience's sake. There's no danger to this, although the computer probably draws a few watts (definitely under 5) in sleep, as opposed to none when shut down.
 
@ Peewee-k9,

I think i'm one of the few persons powering down my apple gear at night or when i'm away from home. I don't like to be surprised when a thunderstorm hits my house when i'm away.

And the temp is normal, as stated before i also began my apple eventure with a MacBook Pro and those thing got hot! The imac feels a little form on the top where the power supply lives. But other then that nothing special.

Although i have to say with the new LED backlighting the screen is a lot cooler then wit regular CFTL's.

PS: When i give the 20" iMac away, the mStand will be at that location with my 13 inch MacBook Pro. ;)

Hi Captain~

That is a good point. Here in southern California a thunderstorm, while rare, does happen and we are coming into that season (hopefully). So is it harder on the drives, etc to turn it off say more than once or twice a day? In other words...is it bad for the machine to shut it down? I can see using 'sleep' when up and down from computer during the day...
 
This topic has been long debated. It used to be recommended that you leave your mac on at all times. OS X runs system maintenance daily, weekly and monthly at some time in the middle of the night (I can't remember exactly what time, I think it was around 3am).

However, these days, most people put their computer to sleep to save power. All of my macs are on an aggressive sleep schedule. I usually have the display sleep in 1 minute, and the computer sleep in after 5 minutes of inactivity (these settings can be found under "Energy Saver" in system preferences).

Most system maintenance tools like Onyx will run the system maintenance scripts for you, so you don't have to worry about leaving your computer on during the night. But you can run system maintenance ANY time you want with the following command (open Terminal - in the Applications -> Utilities folder, or open it with spotlight, and type the following):

sudo periodic daily weekly monthly

Then enter your password. It usually takes a minute or two.

I RARELY shut down my mac. I'd say maybe once every 3 weeks or so. When I do, I often reset the PRAM as another maintenance procedure, although you by no means have to do it regularly. You can do this by holding down command+option+P+R.

I've given you a much more complex answer than you asked for, so in a nutshell:

I'd venture to say that most mac users shut their computers down rarely, primarily for convenience's sake. There's no danger to this, although the computer probably draws a few watts (definitely under 5) in sleep, as opposed to none when shut down.

Yes, I have noticed my screen darkens when not in use after about 5 minutes (I may have set this, or it may be a default setting). I will copy your info above and change my settings as you have described so it will auto 'sleep' after so many minutes of no activity.

I can handle the complexity of your post and I appreciate the 'ink'. Actually, I am saving your response so that I can go in and change some of these settings.

The same type of debate used to be had by pc people as to how to properly shut down...hold power button, or go through the start, power off, etc.

Do you have concerns about power surges/electrical outages, etc., in 'sleep' mode?
 
Hi Peewee-k9,

Nice time difference we have. haha. It's 23:01 here, we just switched to winter time. So was not expecting a comment so soon. :p

Luckily we are now moving out of the summer season and thus leaving thunderstorms behind us for at least the time being.

Concerning your question about the drives. Have never had a HDD fail as result of shutting it down every day. But then again i can see why other mac users leave there system on or in sleep. OSX is just so stable.

3 years ago before i made my switch, i had to power down every night. Windows wasn't up to the task of running 24/7. And thats was not all, i had to reinstall the OS at least once every two months. :rolleyes:

So in my case it's still a remnant of my windows era. :p

But don't thing its hard on the drives.
 
Hi Peewee-k9,

Nice time difference we have. haha. It's 23:01 here, we just switched to winter time. So was not expecting a comment so soon. :p

Luckily we are now moving out of the summer season and thus leaving thunderstorms behind us for at least the time being.

Concerning your question about the drives. Have never had a HDD fail as result of shutting it down every day. But then again i can see why other mac users leave there system on or in sleep. OSX is just so stable.

3 years ago before i made my switch, i had to power down every night. Windows wasn't up to the task of running 24/7. And thats was not all, i had to reinstall the OS at least once every two months. :rolleyes:

So in my case it's still a remnant of my windows era. :p

But don't thing its hard on the drives.

Yeah, that is what it is like for me too. I still have, I suppose, what is post traumatic MS syndrome. Like everyone, I want to create the best environment and longevity for my new baby.

Yes, it is 3:15 afternoon and I should be out enjoying the day instead of playing with my new toy. I am addicted to my iMAC and am glad my computer crashed (again). I have friends waiting for a pc crash so they can make the switch too!
 
There is a review of the i7 including comparisons to the i5 and 3.33Ghz Core 2 Duo here:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3641

The chips used in the iMac are likely the i7 860, i5 750 and C2D E8600.

The C2D is nearly as fast as the quad cores for a great many tasks. For some tasks than can be parallelised with difficulty, the i5 and i7 are very similar but ahead of the C2D. However for trivially parallel tasks (pages 5 and 6) the i7 is a reasonable margin quicker.

Where or not its worth the money very much depends on the applications you intend to use.

considering the actual offers

it seems to me that the 27" with C2D 3.06 Ghz is a better deal than higher models

best ratio price/performance
 
I have friends waiting for a pc crash so they can make the switch too!
Well, that shouldn't take long :)

In all fairness though, I have a couple of Windows machines running 24/7 for years without any problems whatsoever. When computers are just idling I can't really imagine it would cause any harm. My Mac is always on during the day, and at night I put it to sleep, but it's never OFF off, and only reboots when Software Update tells me it's required. Bottom line: I wouldn't worry about it.
 
Well Peewee,

I wish you a very nice afthernoon with the iMac.
I'm going to bed early 23:30 because work is calling in the morning.

Have to go and help Windows people with internet problems :rolleyes:
Working at the help desk of a cable internet company ;)
 
Well, that shouldn't take long :)

In all fairness though, I have a couple of Windows machines running 24/7 for years without any problems whatsoever. When computers are just idling I can't really imagine it would cause any harm. My Mac is always on during the day, and at night I put it to sleep, but it's never OFF off, and only reboots when Software Update tells me it's required. Bottom line: I wouldn't worry about it.

Okay, I will go with that and have, for the last couple of nights, put it in sleep mode after reading the threads. Just to reiterate...you don't worry about power surges, electrical storms, etc? Of course it is plugged into a surge protector and that is powered into a wall surge protector. I don't know if having both helps or what, but maybe it won't hurt either.
 
Well Peewee,

I wish you a very nice afthernoon with the iMac.
I'm going to bed early 23:30 because work is calling in the morning.

Have to go and help Windows people with internet problems :rolleyes:
Working at the help desk of a cable internet company ;)

Funny. See you on the forums...
 
Okay, I will go with that and have, for the last couple of nights, put it in sleep mode after reading the threads. Just to reiterate...you don't worry about power surges, electrical storms, etc? Of course it is plugged into a surge protector and that is powered into a wall surge protector. I don't know if having both helps or what, but maybe it won't hurt either.
I guess you're pretty safe there. Mine is plugged into a socket strip with some kind of surge protection, but nothing fancy. I can only recall a few power outages, but nothing serious, and I never noticed any damage coming from that. And even if there is a powerful surge, it can also happen during the day of course.

However, you can never be safe enough. Maybe I've always been lucky. I guess it also depends on where you live, and how the electrics are in your home/office. If you think there's a high chance of surges due to the weather in this season or whatever, you might as well turn it off and pull the plug so you can sleep without worries. The damn thing boots in 20 seconds, so it's not like that's a reason to keep it on :) . Personally, I trust the protection thingy and figure that the worst thing that can happen is that my computers suddenly lose power.
 
I guess you're pretty safe there. Mine is plugged into a socket strip with some kind of surge protection, but nothing fancy. I can only recall a few power outages, but nothing serious, and I never noticed any damage coming from that. And even if there is a powerful surge, it can also happen during the day of course.

However, you can never be safe enough. Maybe I've always been lucky. I guess it also depends on where you live, and how the electrics are in your home/office. If you think there's a high chance of surges due to the weather in this season or whatever, you might as well turn it off and pull the plug so you can sleep without worries. The damn thing boots in 20 seconds, so it's not like that's a reason to keep it on :) . Personally, I trust the protection thingy and figure that the worst thing that can happen is that my computers suddenly lose power.

Yep. I think we're good. I too, trust the protection thingy as well. We have quite a few power surges where I live because SCG&E crews are working all the time on our power stuff on the streets.

Nonetheless, you have given me good feedback and it is very much appreciated!
 
Power Question!

Now that everyone is discussing power issues here, i have a question...

Where i live, power cuts are very very often, and the power just shuts off abruptly at any time of the day. Now my question is will my imac (which is yet to arrive) suffer any damages when :

1. I am working on the iMac and the power goes off.
2. iMac is in sleep and the power goes off.

The windows machine i had previously was quite reliable in that manner, especially because i used a good quality PSU in that machine, if the power went off, nothing was damaged hardware and software wise.

3. I have never used sleep mode in windows, but with the reliability of the OSX i am tempted to use the sleep mode, so if my mac is in sleep mode and the power cuts, when i power it up next time, will it resume from sleep or boot again?

Thanks...very helpful forum by the way!
 
Now that everyone is discussing power issues here, i have a question...

Where i live, power cuts are very very often, and the power just shuts off abruptly at any time of the day. Now my question is will my imac (which is yet to arrive) suffer any damages when :

1. I am working on the iMac and the power goes off.
2. iMac is in sleep and the power goes off.

The windows machine i had previously was quite reliable in that manner, especially because i used a good quality PSU in that machine, if the power went off, nothing was damaged hardware and software wise.

3. I have never used sleep mode in windows, but with the reliability of the OSX i am tempted to use the sleep mode, so if my mac is in sleep mode and the power cuts, when i power it up next time, will it resume from sleep or boot again?

Thanks...very helpful forum by the way!

I think there is a possibility for all computers to suffer damages, if not hardware then software related, from power cuts. You'd be safer off with something like this. Perhaps they're affordable.
Edit; Here's one, $70.
Edit 2: Don't buy it, of course, do research first. The last link was meant to illustrate that there are consumer-aimed UPSs available for an affordable price.
 
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I think i'm one of the few persons powering down my apple gear at night or when i'm away from home. I don't like to be surprised when a thunderstorm hits my house when i'm away.
There are more of us than you know. I power mine down at night and when I'm away at work. The rest of the time I leave it on or put it to sleep.

I have always had a fetish about starting fresh in the morning with a clean reboot. Maybe just a bad habit from the Windows days.
 
Shipping process for my iMac a long time

Ordered my iMac 21.5" on the morning of the 22nd. Received FedX tracking # later that day. Have been seeing the package sit in Shanghai since evening of the 24th. Called FedX and they told me to call FedX IPD, an associated shipping arm I guess. I told her it was now 2230 Monday in Shanghai and package hasn't moved since 1700 on the 24th. She explained it was part of larger consolidated shipment, etc. that would make its way to Anchorage, AK. Estimated delivery is for Thursday the 29th here in CO. I suppose it will make it by then but if you want your order sooner I recommend asking about the cost of the next level of Express. Part of problem I think was that I placed order later in the week and things got shut down over weekend. I didn't know it was coming from Shanghai or I might have expedited the order.
 
I think there is a possibility for all computers to suffer damages, if not hardware then software related, from power cuts. You'd be safer off with something like this. Perhaps they're affordable.
Edit; Here's one, $70.
Edit 2: Don't buy it, of course, do research first. The last link was meant to illustrate that there are consumer-aimed UPSs available for an affordable price.

Thanks for the UPS advice, i already knew that. I was again hoping my questions to be answered.

Just to let you know that we cannot run a UPS on a backup generator, which sucks out extra power from the generator (atleast in the small sized we have) and we have a solar inverter with battery backup which doesnt automatically kick in when power is down , hence my questions above...

Again i am more interested in the answer for question number 3. Can anyone please try to put their imacs in sleep and then remove the power cord , plug it in after 10 min and switch on and see if it starts fresh or from sleep..

Thank you !
 
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Thanks for the UPS advice, i already knew that. I was again hoping my questions to be answered.

Just to let you know that we cannot run a UPS on a backup generator, which sucks out extra power from the generator (atleast in the small sized we have) and we have a solar inverter with battery backup which doesnt automatically kick in when power is down , hence my questions above...

Again i am more interested in the answer for question number 3. Can anyone please try to put their imacs in sleep and then remove the power cord , plug it in after 10 min and switch on and see if it starts fresh or from sleep..

Thank you !

Fresh. I'm not going to pull the plug on mine, but there is no power storage unit in the device. Also, it goes into a low powered sleep mode and not hibernate. (Hibernate is when it copies all ram to hard disk and shuts off all power)

You can look at iFixit.com and see that there is no storage unit for power in the device. That being said... As long as the unit is not writing any data to the drive (in sleep mode it wouldn't be) then hard power off isn't going to "hurt" the computer. It's just not polite. ;)
 
Fresh. I'm not going to pull the plug on mine, but there is no power storage unit in the device. Also, it goes into a low powered sleep mode and not hibernate. (Hibernate is when it copies all ram to hard disk and shuts off all power)

You can look at iFixit.com and see that there is no storage unit for power in the device. That being said... As long as the unit is not writing any data to the drive (in sleep mode it wouldn't be) then hard power off isn't going to "hurt" the computer. It's just not polite. ;)

Well no one (atleast not me) would like to be impolite to the shiny new 27" iMac would we??
 
My 27" imac came with the display resolution set at 2560X1440 but the menu bar, dock and web sites were tiny so I set the display resolution at 1920X1080 and everything looks normal.


Has anyone else messed with the display settings?



Great idea.........

hahahahahahahahaha
 
bought one last friday:
 

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Got my 27" iMac today, first thing I tried (and only reason I ordered a new iMac) was to be able to use it as a display for my PC for gaming once in a while :)

PC has a ATI 5770 with DisplayPort out, so I also got a MiniDisplayPort to DisplayPort Cable, plugged it in the ATI and the fun began:

First thing I noticed was, that the clearing of the DisplayPort in the iMac isn't right. When you look straigt on the backside you notice, that the connector is placed to far down to fit the gap in the backside - meaning I couldnt get my cable connected...
Great first impression, but hey, it's tool time so I took a screwdriver and gently pushed the connector upwards and with a little force the cable finally got connected :D

No it's getting reaaallly interesing: How the hell can I tell the iMac to show me the input signal it's supposed to get through the DisplayPort???
Anyone any clue about this yet?

Unfortunately it's 2 o'clock am here in Germany and Apple Support Hotline isn't staffed at this time...


Did you get your pc to display correctly?
Chad
 
bought one last friday:

That picture reminds me that Apple needs to get with things and STOP making white peripherals (mice, keyboard, headphones, cables, etc..). I don't understand them. They are so good a making great looking products but they can't making everything match...go figure. The best keyboard they make is the black backlit one (as they have said). Why is that not a black keyboard.
 
That picture reminds me that Apple needs to get with things and STOP making white peripherals (mice, keyboard, headphones, cables, etc..). I don't understand them. A new mouse and keyboard and they are still white. The best keyboard they make is the black backlit one (as they have said). Why is that not the new keyboard.

I understand.

The KB should have black keys - would fit in perfectly with the rest of their lines. However, not sure how I feel about a black mouse :confused:
 
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