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lol tbh, they do offer a measly single mini usb-c port (forgive me i can't remember it's proper name) for charging, displayport, connectivity, and everything else. Sounds very innovative.

What is innovative is that when used portably everything (these days) is wireless unless you have to charge it, then you use the "uniport" for charging. When used at a desk, a single wire docks the MBA and provides power as well as external monitor and any stationary peripheral devices. Basically a step forward from the current Thunderbolt display which is also a docking station but requires two wires (charging and Thunderbolt) and much more convenient that the bulky docking stations with big connectors typical in the Windows PC world.

You lose if you have several places you work, in which case you need to carry a docking station with you or buy one for each location.
 
Slights off the beaten track, i wonder if the Ipad-pro will have a beefed up vsn of iosx, if this is true, maybe they could carry this over to lower-end ARM macs

Essentially, apps like: finder, would be most useful.

A more beefed up version of iOS and its companion apps is coming regardless of the arrival of an iPad Pro. iOS is no where near fully mature. Many apps matching/marking the more deeply entrenched versions are relatively new ( MS Office apps for Android/iOS , Adobe apps, etc. )

The larger screen space of the iPad Pro is far more likely going to be updates like "two apps on the screen at the same time" feature.

https://www.macrumors.com/2014/06/09/ios-8-code-ipad-multitasking/

than wholesale abandonment of "files filtered through app viewers" model of iOS. The new/experimental user experience from Android ( and Windows ) likely has clues as to major software features enabled by hardware trends ( e.g., larger screen size) that iOS is missing that Apple will add from more so then wholesale merging of all Mac OS X features. Apple isn't going to copy everything from Android/Windows, but the serve bulk of experimental diversity means those groups are going to have just as many if not more good ideas than Apple will with a vastly smaller number of experiments.

You'd could possibly get a headless iPad if Chrome Box/Windows Bing boxes start to make a sizable percentage of personal computers sold , but it would be an iOS device; not a Mac device.

With respect to the Mac Mini specially the space where small form factor Windows x86 systems are in is very active breeding ground for new ideas and approaches. Between marking where the Mac laptop trends are going and influences from the SFF Windows x86 world those are the likely influencers of upcoming Mac Mini's than anything going on in the iOS device space.
 
You are both actually saying the same thing, in different words. Steve Jobs when presented the first iPhone actually said that this is a device running OS X (presentation is available on youtube). But stating such thing in that way, is definitely a bit far from truth.

In that context, it wasn't. Apple has muddled (or sharpened ) the terminoloy since the iPhone introduction. In that time period Macs ran "Mac OS X ". There was no simply "OS X" product. "OS X" at that point meant that "iPhone OS" and " Mac OS X" were siblings.

Of course technical marketing folks have to muck with names over time. "iPhone OS" wasn't going to work with multiple devices so.... it was well worth the money to snag rights to use 'iOS" to cover the lower average selling price "iXXXX" devices.


"Mac Oh Es ten" is just really long (4 syllables) versus something like "Windows" ( just 2 ). Now the roles are reversed. Jobs was trying to attached no apps , no ecosystem "iPhone OS" to the then much larger, more mature "Mac OS X" ecosystem. At this point, iOS became the more dominate ecosystem, dropping the "Mac" attaches the "OS X" to the common ancestry marker of the more dominant system. Mac OS X now has to fit into a "world" dominated by both Windows and iOS. (still somewhat ignoring Android for now. )


That's why it is very obvious that if Mac Mini's role changes (e.g. going towards appliance device) the respective OS for such role will be used as well.

The Mini's role has more so been headless, keyboardless, laptop that is the most affordable Mac. It is pretty much on the same track now. I know some folks wanted it to be the headless iMac, but it isn't. Apple could have shifted that way, but seems to be staying on the original tracking.

There are some folks who "love" Minis for a HTPC role but that isn't its primary mission. That appliance like role has already gone "ARM/iOS" with Apple TV. Those folks probably would get more traction with Apple by asking for an AppleTV pro (e.g., bring back local storage and allow some apps) than trying to track the Mini into that space.
 
The Mini's role has more so been headless, keyboardless, laptop that is the most affordable Mac. It is pretty much on the same track now. I know some folks wanted it to be the headless iMac, but it isn't. Apple could have shifted that way, but seems to be staying on the original tracking.

I would settle for it being a headless MacBook Pro. But now I wonder if it may be turning into a headless iPad.
 
The Mini's role has more so been headless, keyboardless, laptop that is the most affordable Mac. It is pretty much on the same track now. I know some folks wanted it to be the headless iMac, but it isn't. Apple could have shifted that way, but seems to be staying on the original tracking.

There are some folks who "love" Minis for a HTPC role but that isn't its primary mission. That appliance like role has already gone "ARM/iOS" with Apple TV. Those folks probably would get more traction with Apple by asking for an AppleTV pro (e.g., bring back local storage and allow some apps) than trying to track the Mini into that space.

I would say that Apple has lost the Mac Mini mystique of what it once was. It was all those things above in a perfect design that the user could make their own.

I came over from Windows because of the disaster of Win 8 and the draw of the Mini with OS X.

After the 2014 showing up I have rethought my direction as I have been using Win 10 as a VM with OS X and can fell comfortable again with the direction M$ is going. Although I love my iPhone and iPad I am not entrenched with OS X to the point that I would fell lost without it and I think their are other Win people that came over to Apple that feel the same way.

I will continue with may 2012 Mini because it is a good solid machine that will communicate some what with the iPhone and iPad but my next power machine will be a PC unless Apple changes coarse.

A $1000 dual core Mini is just a ridiculous price for what you get but I guess I just don't understand the value. If ARM comes to the Mini it will be a joke.
 
No, what is innovative (and useful) is my 2012 MBP. It has a port for the charger, a TB port I use for the monitor, an Ethernet port for faster Internet when it's on my desk, a USB3 port for the second Time Machine backup, another available USB3 port and even a large slot on the other side for making Apple lossless copies of CDs.

Now, that's innovation.
I think you failed to comprehend my sarcastic undertones in my post.

The only thing I can think is Apple developed a God port that encompasses all things. :)
Was this not supposed to be thunderbolt, when they first released this back in 2011?

What is innovative is that when used portably everything (these days) is wireless unless you have to charge it, then you use the "uniport" for charging. When used at a desk, a single wire docks the MBA and provides power as well as external monitor and any stationary peripheral devices. Basically a step forward from the current Thunderbolt display which is also a docking station but requires two wires (charging and Thunderbolt) and much more convenient that the bulky docking stations with big connectors typical in the Windows PC world..

I see you point, however, i like to carry along with me a couple of usb3 pendrives, my external hdd, as the research work i am doing must be stored on a discreet, encrypted hdd-drive. I appreciate so much data is now housed on cloud based solutions, however, for fast, large chunks of data on the go, usb pen drives and external hdd still have their uses.

I may only represent a small portion of the laptop market, but i believe many people still find a 'normal' usb and hdmi/mdp on laptops essential. Yes i could carry around a dock, however, at the gain of a few mm in thinness, i have lost so many essential features.

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A more beefed up version of iOS and its companion apps is coming regardless of the arrival of an iPad Pro. iOS is no where near fully mature. Many apps matching/marking the more deeply entrenched versions are relatively new ( MS Office apps for Android/iOS , Adobe apps, etc. )

The larger screen space of the iPad Pro is far more likely going to be updates like "two apps on the screen at the same time" feature.

https://www.macrumors.com/2014/06/09/ios-8-code-ipad-multitasking/
I think multitasking /split screen even on the mini (ipad) would be most welcomed by many.

than wholesale abandonment of "files filtered through app viewers" model of iOS. The new/experimental user experience from Android ( and Windows ) likely has clues as to major software features enabled by hardware trends ( e.g., larger screen size) that iOS is missing that Apple will add from more so then wholesale merging of all Mac OS X features. Apple isn't going to copy everything from Android/Windows, but the serve bulk of experimental diversity means those groups are going to have just as many if not more good ideas than Apple will with a vastly smaller number of experiments.

You'd could possibly get a headless iPad if Chrome Box/Windows Bing boxes start to make a sizable percentage of personal computers sold , but it would be an iOS device; not a Mac device.

With respect to the Mac Mini specially the space where small form factor Windows x86 systems are in is very active breeding ground for new ideas and approaches. Between marking where the Mac laptop trends are going and influences from the SFF Windows x86 world those are the likely influencers of upcoming Mac Mini's than anything going on in the iOS device space.

I hear what your saying, it will be interesting to see what direction apple take with their idevices, and lower end hardware, juxtaposed with the evolution of mac OSx and iOS.
 
UK!!! 2012 Mac mini Quads in refurb!

Just a quick heads up to anyone that may have missed it, there is a bunch of 2012 Minis in the refurb store (8.30 23/01/15) including a couple of quads. So to all moaning about the 2014, grab em while you can!
 
Yep, the gains are more with the GPU than the CPU, but overall nothing stellar.
Anyone interested in the 2014 mini shouldn't be afraid to buy now even if a Broadwell version is released in H1'15 (except for the probable new smaller design), and even more if one would have to wait until Skylake for a substantial upgrade.
 
Yep, the gains are more with the GPU than the CPU, but overall nothing stellar.
Anyone interested in the 2014 mini shouldn't be afraid to buy now even if a Broadwell version is released in H1'15 (except for the probable new smaller design), and even more if one would have to wait until Skylake for a substantial upgrade.

I'm hoping for a smaller design but I'm slightly concerned that Apple will be losing interest. I say this because it seems the '14 update has turned away a good portion of the MM fanbase and reviews, which may lead to lower sales.
 
I'm hoping for a smaller design but I'm slightly concerned that Apple will be losing interest. I say this because it seems the '14 update has turned away a good portion of the MM fanbase and reviews, which may lead to lower sales.

Completely obvious that the 2014 Mini is not even listed in the top 100 selling desktops on Amazon any longer.

The 2012 still are in the top 20 though.

Apple killed the Mac Mini interest.
 
It would be fascinating to know what happened to potential customers for an upgradable 2014 mini, ie how many stuck with their Windows PC or their earlier model mini, chased down a 2012 mini, bought an iMac, went with a Hackintosh, etc etc.

Apple must *know* they've killed the mini for an awful lot of longstanding mini enthusiasts. The question is, did they honestly not think there would be such a high level of dissatisfaction, or was it a deliberate attempt to move people over to iMacs? The latter makes no sense to me: looking at the comparative prices of the mini and the iMac, I can't believe that the latter is more profitable than the former.
 
Completely obvious that the 2014 Mini is not even listed in the top 100 selling desktops on Amazon any longer.

The 2012 still are in the top 20 though.

Apple killed the Mac Mini interest.

I guess what I'd like to know is if they'll assume that there's no interest in Mac minis now, and not bother, or if they'll realize it was them who ruined it and improve it.

You'd think they would have plenty of reason to keep it up to date, good value, and appealing to its customer base.
 
I guess what I'd like to know is if they'll assume that there's no interest in Mac minis now, and not bother, or if they'll realize it was them who ruined it and improve it.
A lot of angry people will have told Apple that the 2014 mini sucks. Apple will also be aware of the spike in 2012 prices on eBay etc. They know full well that they've ruined the mini; the question is whether or not it's a deliberate act.
 
It would be fascinating to know what happened to potential customers for an upgradable 2014 mini, ie how many stuck with their Windows PC or their earlier model mini, chased down a 2012 mini, bought an iMac, went with a Hackintosh, etc etc.
I stuck with my somewhat upgraded 2009 model. To be honest given the timing and fact I had bought an iPad Air2 and an iPhone6 the Mini would have had to have been fantastic to get me to spend more money in Q4 2014
 
It would be fascinating to know what happened to potential customers for an upgradable 2014 mini, ie how many stuck with their Windows PC or their earlier model mini, chased down a 2012 mini, bought an iMac, went with a Hackintosh, etc etc.

I chased down two 2012 minis and bought a riMac last year. But one would be fine as the 2014 model. I've got 4 minis in service (and another sitting it out) and, frankly, only one would not do well in the 2014 model.

Really it all depends on what you are doing with them. If you don't need the quad core the 2014 does fine. (I don't consider the loss of the second internal drive to be devastating.)
 
I chased down two 2012 minis and bought a riMac last year. But one would be fine as the 2014 model. I've got 4 minis in service (and another sitting it out) and, frankly, only one would not do well in the 2014 model.

Really it all depends on what you are doing with them. If you don't need the quad core the 2014 does fine. (I don't consider the loss of the second internal drive to be devastating.)

The point was though the the Mac Mini was always in the top 10 of best selling Desktops on Amazon and now with the 2014 it does not even place in the top 100.

Wouldn't you say Apple killed interest in the Mini and that the machine does not live up to its predecessors?

It's really a bad showing for its popularity and usefulness as perceived by consumers in general.
 
Completely obvious that the 2014 Mini is not even listed in the top 100 selling desktops on Amazon any longer.

The 2012 still are in the top 20 though.

Apple killed the Mac Mini interest.

I'm seeing the mid level Mac Mini in the #3 spot and the base level Mac Mini in the #11 spot:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/pc/565098/ref=pd_zg_hrsr_pc_1_2_last

I have a 2012 quad core Mac Mini and I am currently shopping for a low priced Mac to use on the breakfast bar and I am really at a loss for which way to go. In the past, this would have been an easy choice (and I have been a Mini fan for a long time) - so this doesn't feel like progress to me...
 
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