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Yes, their latest sales hit, "iPhablet 6" & "iPhablet 6+" were incredible innovations.

And your point is? Apple created the smartphone market, so your argument goes nowhere. Samsung and the rest create a different size phone and you think that's innovation?

There still is not an android equivalent of the ecosystem that lets all Apple devices talk to all the other iOS and OS X devices while being tied together with iTunes and iCloud. Apple leads.
 
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Mines got the 256 sdd as the drive already only 4 gb ram though to start my first mac too!.

Mine turned up Tuesday - quite impressed with the delivery. Just waiting for my ram (crucial) and 2nd drive kit (ifixit) - my 240gb SDD just arrived from Amazon (ordered yesterday and don't have prime!!!)

Only ordered 8gb of memory as based on my current use I don't need 16gb, the 240gb SDD should compliment the 1tb hdd as well.
 
Mine turned up Tuesday - quite impressed with the delivery. Just waiting for my ram (crucial) and 2nd drive kit (ifixit) - my 240gb SDD just arrived from Amazon (ordered yesterday and don't have prime!!!)

Only ordered 8gb of memory as based on my current use I don't need 16gb, the 240gb SDD should compliment the 1tb hdd as well.

mine came with 8gb of ram installed instead of the 4gb as advertised.
 
And your point is? Apple created the smartphone market, so your argument goes nowhere. Samsung and the rest create a different size phone and you think that's innovation?

Whoa, buddy - I understand that shallow journalism has misinformed most of the world, but some of us actually know history. Psion and Nokia/Sony Ericsson (Symbian) were most responsible for creating the smartphone as we experience today. Along with Palm from the PDA side.

Palm also had had the "app store" plus cross-industry ecosystem (eg Handspring, Sony making palm-compatible devices) way early on. Again, that too is going to be news to folks who are new to this game and who have swallowed what the media fed them.

Apple in contrast, entered this field AFTER all that - and did so with a feature phone, not a smartphone: locked down, limited functionality no external applications and so on.

The it sat around and flogged those things with port-hole size screen for eons, even while the users were clamouring for bigger, higher resolutions screens. Then 2-3 years later, Apple finally followed the companies who had set the tone and established the market for the phablet. And suddenly iphone 6 is an example of "innovation"? Wha?

Understand the difference between a fast follower and an innovator please....

Apple does what it has to when necessary, but really it is all to often happy to sit around and milk the customer base - which is what we are experiencing with the Mac Mini, unfortunately. There are many ways in which the company could really have been doing things to make this product more user friendly and push boundaries as well, but it is going the other way. Look at the enthusiasm for this product here, for example and then see how poorly that is being rewarded.
 
Apple does what it has to when necessary, but really it is all to often happy to sit around and milk the customer base - which is what we are experiencing with the Mac Mini, unfortunately. There are many ways in which the company could really have been doing things to make this product more user friendly and push boundaries as well, but it is going the other way. Look at the enthusiasm for this product here, for example and then see how poorly that is being rewarded.

I see them bring a ARM Mac Mini Nano soon to compete with cheap Crome Box and HPs cheap Windows box plus now Intels Stick to keep people in the Apple eco system.

If you want an Intel chip based desktop Mac in the future it will have to be the higher end iMacs or Mac Pro.
 
I think it has been claimed to be somewhere between the Intel Atom and an i3 processor approaching i5 power.

Graphics are not as good from what I've read.

So, then, like, what's the point of using it if you have to have a hand crank on the side to get it running? /sarcasm but really.

I guess if they make it that useless, they can kill it sooner?

Someone predicted IOS on the desktop (aided by ARM based iMacs?), and I scoffed. What would be the point of doing that. IOS isn't a 'true' desktop OS. Even in anyone's dreams. But if 'we' are being led their by some nightmare at Apple, I predict the Mac will (finally) die a useless and humiliating death. But then my coffee hasn't kicked in yet either.
 
So, then, like, what's the point of using it if you have to have a hand crank on the side to get it running? /sarcasm but really.

I guess if they make it that useless, they can kill it sooner?

Someone predicted IOS on the desktop (aided by ARM based iMacs?), and I scoffed. What would be the point of doing that. IOS isn't a 'true' desktop OS. Even in anyone's dreams. But if 'we' are being led their by some nightmare at Apple, I predict the Mac will (finally) die a useless and humiliating death. But then my coffee hasn't kicked in yet either.

I think Apple would like to interrogate IOS and OS X for enterprise partnership with IBM and even some Tech sites are sighting it as a smart move. The see possibly a MacBook Air and the new 12" iPad as away for IBM and Apple to take on the enterprise market therefor boosting sales of booth with integration of special IBM base Apps for business to run across both operating systems.

This would trickle down to lower end Macs such as the Minis and low end iMacs.

Also the improved battery life for MacBook Air and the larger iPad is good for enterprise.
 
I think Apple would like to interrogate IOS and OS X for enterprise partnership with IBM and even some Tech sites are sighting it as a smart move. The see possibly a MacBook Air and the new 12" iPad as away for IBM and Apple to take on the enterprise market therefor boosting sales of booth with integration of special IBM base Apps for business to run across both operating systems.

This would trickle down to lower end Macs such as the Minis and low end iMacs.

Also the improved battery life for MacBook Air and the larger iPad is good for enterprise.

If you are arguing for ARM equipped desktop class Macs, then it would be an all or none choice, just like PowerPC to Intel. Supporting two versions of the OS, or even two kernels for the two different processor families would be problematic at best, and a disaster at worse. Emulation, from what little I know, robs the system of major amounts of resources.

I would believe the iPad pro would have the ARM processor, as the A-series from Apple are already ARM hybrids, but using the ARM on a 'desktop class' machine wouldn't make much sense.

It's possible I'm speaking into my hat, but I think the Intel on the desktop/laptop and AMR-ish on the 'highly portable' will continue. Putting ARM-ish on the desktop would be a disaster. Desktop IS NOT a 'smartphone'. No matter how hard you wish it.
 
If you are arguing for ARM equipped desktop class Macs, then it would be an all or none choice, just like PowerPC to Intel. Supporting two versions of the OS, or even two kernels for the two different processor families would be problematic at best, and a disaster at worse. Emulation, from what little I know, robs the system of major amounts of resources.

I would believe the iPad pro would have the ARM processor, as the A-series from Apple are already ARM hybrids, but using the ARM on a 'desktop class' machine wouldn't make much sense.

It's possible I'm speaking into my hat, but I think the Intel on the desktop/laptop and AMR-ish on the 'highly portable' will continue. Putting ARM-ish on the desktop would be a disaster. Desktop IS NOT a 'smartphone'. No matter how hard you wish it.

No, I'm not arguing or supporting ARM in a desktop. I hate the idea. But if Apple sees a way of selling millions of more Macs for enterprise then they will do it.

I believe Apple is more interested in the Mobile market than Macs anymore.

Lets face it, the majority of their profit is mobile and enterprise market could add a lot of profit to the bottom line.
 
No, I'm not arguing or supporting ARM in a desktop. I hate the idea. But if Apple sees a way of selling millions of more Macs for enterprise then they will do it.

I believe Apple is more interested in the Mobile market than Macs anymore.

Lets face it, the majority of their profit is mobile and enterprise market could add a lot of profit to the bottom line.

And Apple is more focused on their stock price with buy-backs than on putting out usable products.

I read an article about Sears/K-Mart that also made some pointed comments about other companies focused on buy-backs over their core business. They leveled charges at Apple's board for being more focused on that stock price gimmick than on being Apple.

There appears to be some truth in what they said.

Apple has used 'creative accounting' to allow executives to reap higher bonuses in the past. It's what almost killed them during the Scully days if I remember the moment right.
 
Nah…. can't see ARM coming to Mac at any level. It is more tablet / smartphone territory.

Windows has been about integrating across all classes of device.

Apple has gone about having iOS and OX S complement each other. My students say to get the most out of their iPads and iPhones, ideally they should also have a Mac computer, but only a few do. Sure now you can start something on one device, pick it up on another, and the user experience seems the same. The objective is to make it appear seamless from the user point of view.

The Mini has always been a Mac, albeit one based on laptop components. I reckon it will remain so.
 
did I miss it?

Nope…… the 2014 Mac Mini did come in all its underwhelming glory. Maybe not the update that many geeks dreamed of, but still a range and options that is all the computer many folks need.

2014 has come and gone.

The new Mac Mini is almost certainly coming….. and it almost certainly be a proper Mac.
 
I see them bring a ARM Mac Mini Nano soon to compete with cheap Crome Box and HPs cheap Windows box plus now Intels Stick to keep people in the Apple eco system.

Apple's answer to netbooks ( as affordable as possible laptop) was largely the iPad. It didn't try to match them exactly in form factor but more so in functionality ( designed to so handful of mainstream applications well ). Removing the keyboard and other form factor constraints allowed them to poor more money into things like the screen and other aspects. Apple never did try to compete toe-to-toe on price either. iPad was/is 50%-200% higher priced than netbooks.

Same thing is likely with ChromeBox / Chromebook / highly stripped down Windows with Bing boxes. The counter will more likely be an iOS device. Apple already has a major OS on ARM. It is 10x bigger than OS X.

The iPad Mini has dropped to $249. Apple could have a ChromeBox like container by just stripping off the iPad Mini's display and stuffing it into a box where attach a screen; probably charging the same $249 like price (bigger storage swapped for dropping screen ). An "AppleTV pro" or AppleBox/iBox. [Original AppleTV sold at $329 ] Amazon's FireTV and Google Nexus Player may also push Apple in this direction a bit over time.


If you want an Intel chip based desktop Mac in the future it will have to be the higher end iMacs or Mac Pro.

There is little good reason to dump the Mac Mini. The Mini has always tracked MacBook / lower end MBP components for volume leverage and parts reuse. As the bottom end of that line up has gone SSD + soldered RAM the Mini is steadily tracking the same thing.

Apple isn't crazy. A desktop line up that is pragmatically restricted to the $1000+ space isn't going to survive the competitive pressures. However, Apple isn't completely slave to matching the PC industries race to the bottom either. $500-1,000 is a substantially large range for which Apple to drop a system into.

ARM systems really don't make much sense now or for the next couple of years in the $500-1000 range. Intel and AMD could make a whole series of dumb moves in the next 3-4 years to change that, but right now x86 solutions having a substantial edge in that space is going to continue.

The Windows $200-400 range for desktop is primarily a bet on volume. Apple isn't a dominate classic PC market player. They have sub 10% of the market and likely will continue to have a sub 10% share. Apple isn't trying to make solutions for 90% they aren't targeting. The profit margins for these ChromeBox and Windows Bing boxes is next to nothing. Apple isn't going to through 30% margins out the window just to ship more boxes. You can wish they would do that, but you can wish Halle Berry is going to call you up and invite you to dinner too.
 
ARM systems really don't make much sense now or for the next couple of years in the $500-1000 range. Intel and AMD could make a whole series of dumb moves in the next 3-4 years to change that, but right now x86 solutions having a substantial edge in that space is going to continue.

The Windows $200-400 range for desktop is primarily a bet on volume. Apple isn't a dominate classic PC market player. They have sub 10% of the market and likely will continue to have a sub 10% share. Apple isn't trying to make solutions for 90% they aren't targeting. The profit margins for these ChromeBox and Windows Bing boxes is next to nothing. Apple isn't going to through 30% margins out the window just to ship more boxes. You can wish they would do that, but you can wish Halle Berry is going to call you up and invite you to dinner too.

I'm not in favor of ARM chips because I still use VM x86 OSs. I can see tho the rise of ARM as Apples non dependence on Intel and it maybe a couple of years, but it will happen not only because ARM is getting very powerful but the cost of it compared to Intel chips is so cheap and the efficiency and power saving is so great for laptops plus the walled in garden effect for guarding their OS.

Time will tell but Halle Berry would not be may first choice for an invitation to dinner. :)
 
I'm not in favor of ARM chips because I still use VM x86 OSs. I can see tho the rise of ARM as Apples non dependence on Intel and it maybe a couple of years,

Apple isn't solely dependent upon Intel now. Apple could pull an AMD x86 into any system without anywhere near the amount of addition overhead (costs in both money and even more limited resource of personnel ) of going back to a dual binary deployment set up. Yes that AMD would have to get a bit better (to get to stage can win design bake-off) and Intel would have a stumble a bit, but it isn't the mono vendor solution that the ARM fanboy rhetoric makes it out to be.

Both the 68K-> PPC and PPC -> x86 transitions only happened after the whole Mac line up could be flipped in a relatively short amount of time. Going to a pragmatically semi-permanent split makes zero sense. It primarily only buys additional complexity.

Apple is dependent upon outside parts suppliers period. The hand waving about outside risks in ARM being completely blunted is rather odd when staring at the iPad mini 3 with "last years" SoC. Being ARM didn't magically make a newer part available. If Apple dumps half the Mac line to ARM how are they not dependent upon Intel/AMD? Especially if it is solely the upper have which is even more heavily dominated by Intel offerings.


but it will happen not only because ARM is getting very powerful but the cost of it compared to Intel chips is so cheap

Not really. Right now Intel is pragmatically giving a whole range of them away for almost free. Even if willing to throw performance out, Intel can limbo much lower without loosing as much performance several years back.

If CPU package cost is Apple's main problem then can shift to 1/3-1/4 the price already
http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2014/...s_Core_i5_i7_and_N-Series_mobile_lineups.html

$225-623 Core i solutions versus $107-161 N-series solution.


When the "Cherry Trail" comes out on this same new process tech that Core i 5th generation ( Broadwell) solutions are now rolling out on it will be even easier to offer "no speed increase, just cheaper" systems.

When Intel had regulated Atom to second tier design teams and 2-3 generations back process tech, there was a much bigger gap for ARM to drive up into. That gap is rapidly closing. It isn't the chasm it once one.

Apple pricing increments by $100's so $100 CPUs versus $40 CPUs probably isn't going to drive a huge swing in overall Mac system pricing. $30-60 component parts swings are exactly the kinds of swings that Apple simply just pockets as higher margins (or at best maybe bigger software bundle). Apple has about zero interest in driving its margins down into the same zone as Dell/HP/Lenovo and smaller vendors with OS X sized sales volumes.


and the efficiency and power saving is so great for laptops plus the walled in garden effect for guarding their OS.

Apple has a many multi Billion $ walled garden. It is called iOS. If Apple wanted to sell $200-300 boxes an Apple TV would be a far more effective walled garden than a OS X system.

The mini is plugged in so while "fanless" is probably something Apple would go after .... lowest possible power really isn't buying a whole lot.

Apple's 30% skim off the Mac App Store means they don't have to get into a "race to the bottom" chase to increase revenues and profits. They are simiply taking a higher share of revenue from the systems they already sell. Just growing the more profitable system sub-market will give low term grow without having to drag in maximum number of new system owners.


Time will tell but Halle Berry would not be may first choice for an invitation to dinner. :)

All of the "If I was Steve/CEO " or "If I was Tim/CEO " stuff isn't likely going to give insight into what Steve or Tim is going to do.
 
Whoa, buddy - I understand that shallow journalism has misinformed most of the world, but some of us actually know history. Psion and Nokia/Sony Ericsson (Symbian) were most responsible for creating the smartphone

Agreed.

as we experience today.

Uh, no.

You might also look up Apple Newton to get a better understanding overall.
 
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