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The new Mac mini is almost certainly coming
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The individual was talking about entry level machines. As someone else has already stated, a quad-core i7 is not entry level. And that 800 is with VAT included and not an accurate representation of "the Apple tax" by itself.
The main complaint was simply that the Mac Mini has no dedicated graphics options. And that's a valid complaint, one that I used to have as well. It's just that the argument he's tried to make about the cost of entry level computers and what should be included for the cost of a Mac Mini has holes.
No, and I see no reason to either.
Most of my family and friends have iPhones or iPads so having OS X on a desktop isn't really necessary. None of them own a Mac. We all use iOS.
iOS > OS X.
I plan to when I upgrade the GPU later this year, but for now 8GB is enough.
The early SSDs including those supplied by Apple died after a year ! I appreciate the newer ones appear better quality but we don't know for sure.
Woah...apparently I wasn't alone in choosing a mini over an iMac when upgrading. If Apple would've made the RAM accessible on the 21.5" it would've been a different story.
The fella you are quoting is completely off on his claims. I don't know if it's in this thread or another, but he claims that the Mini is the best selling Mac. He uses Amazon and B&H as his sources, ignoring reports from Apple directly.
This wait is getting tougher as time goes on. I'm looking at the Intel Nuc and the Brix Pro computers. There is also an AMD brix now with some dedicated graphics (R9 275X) which has roughly equivalent performance to the desktop Radeon HD 7750 and keeps the size of a brix pro.
I'm pretty OS ambivalent as I've used and am comfortable with Windows, MAC, Linux, IOS and Android. The thing is though I've wanted a mac mini for awhile and I like the idea of having a box setup with bootcamp for Windows in addition to Mac Os.
Apple may be looking to set themselves apart with the next mini since it seems as though the desktop space is quietly becoming a race to a smaller box. At least it seems like there are options in terms of GPU for Apple to throw into their next configuration. Let March be the month!
I'm pretty OS ambivalent as I've used and am comfortable with Windows, MAC, Linux, IOS and Android. The thing is though I've wanted a mac mini for awhile and I like the idea of having a box setup with bootcamp for Windows in addition to Mac Os.
Apple may be looking to set themselves apart with the next mini since it seems as though the desktop space is quietly becoming a race to a smaller box. At least it seems like there are options in terms of GPU for Apple to throw into their next configuration. Let March be the month!
Can you quote those Apple reports, with numbers for each mac model(not categories like 'laptops', 'desktops' or lines like full imac lines, but exact numbers for each machine in part)? Because if you start to add all 4 imac models sales and compare them with all 3 mini models sales, sure, imac is number one. When you start to look at each INDIVIDUAL machine, you are going to have a nasty surprise. All Apple said was the iMac is best selling. Sorry, but i don't buy into that. Maybe all 4 imacs models surpass all 3 mini models sales, this for sure. But Apple does not release numbers on each individual model sales. So the only numbers we have on this, the sellers numbers indicate that mini is the best selling mac. Look, right now mini base model is on 3'd position on Amazon sales for ALL computers, including Windows pc's. Best placed imac is on 17'th.... And not just Amazon, but other sellers too(macmall, B&H etc). The only place i could find one imac model in front of mini was Best Buy. And this is for an almost 2 years old machine versus latest imacs with Haswell and powerful graphics. Now imagine a mini up to date with IrisPro graphics and flash hdd sale numbers..... So just come up with some form of proofs for your claims. I am tired of this debate all over again, so i will not post anymore....
I looked at that top 3 on Amazon. The Mhz Myth is alive and well. The top PCs above the Mac Mini in the ranking have AMD FX CPUs, one of which is a 4 core at over 4Ghz and it's no faster for even multiprocessor aware uses than the i5 in the Mac Mini and that's with a big tower system, desktop CPUs etc...
Apple may be looking to set themselves apart with the next mini since it seems as though the desktop space is quietly becoming a race to a smaller box. At least it seems like there are options in terms of GPU for Apple to throw into their next configuration. Let March be the month!
Interesting point. It's as if apple showed intel what they were planning, intel copied it and now apple is taking more time to make it even better. It would also explain the A8 project.
Hold out if you can, this should be good!
The report(proof) was posted for you either in this thread, or another where this discussion was taking place. You don't buy in to the iMac being the top selling desktop, even though Apple stated that themselves. That's fine if you don't buy it. You seem to refuse to include laptops as a Mac as well, which I can't figure out why...considering they are the top selling Mac...not the Mini. You're delusional ideas are entertaining, that's for sure.
the mac mini is not meant to be a gaming rig.
so it is useless to show us valve survey, because they are a gaming company.
Nope, that report it's a vague statement about a full line of computers. We are talking about DESKTOPS and INDIVIDUAL MACHINES SALES NUMBERS. I am tired to keep showing you proofs and explaining you the elementary things. Why you keep showing up iMac in a MacMini thread? Fact is your beloved iMac is at best on places like 17'th on general hardware computer stores. The reality is mac mini it's an office machine, a server machine, a render farm machine etc, not a gaming rig. And in this situation it's vastly outsell any other mac desktop. Get over it, and stop answer to my facts with your ideas. And one more time you call me delusional i will report your posts. Be respectful in your posts towards me. You don't know me, my education, my experience and i don't allow anyone to be rude with me. If you can support your ideas in an elegant manner ok, if not, stop posting. I don't like the way you ignore facts, or the way you don't understand the most elementary facts or affirmations. So i strongly suggest you to stay away from me and my posts. You don't agree with me? Fine, just keep it for yourself.
Yea, this is true. And let's not forget about the fact that mac mini comes with OSX plus a full office suite(iWork or for those who know Apple Works and initially Claris Works). So the mini is the best value for money. But i wanted to prove iMac guys around here that the best selling machine is base mac mini. For some strange reason they started to behave like windows users who attack everything not windows. The fact is, base mac mini is more then average user needs. It comes with full Office suite, licensed OSX, at least 1 year warranty and user replaceable RAM(and if you are brave enough even hdd). And what some around here don't understand is that average Joe doesn't know anything about computers. Apple users are far more educated then Windows ones. If a mac is on top 3 selling machines on a huge seller like Amazon, this is because windows folks are purchasing them! And they feel more attracted towards something who reminds them of a desktop then an all in one. My last mini arrived when i was at office, working. Next to my classic macpro the thing looked so tiny, that colleagues started to ask me: very nice, but where is the computer??? This is the computer. No kidding!! We don't believe you! Look, it's very powerful and i do a lots of my graphics on it. After some while few of them wanted one. I think if Apple will do some marketing they will sell far more of this wonderful macs. I am just waiting for the new model and will jump all over it. I budgeted one beefed up for Christmas, but i want at least IrisPro graphics - CPU is powerful enough already. I am hardly resisting not to get current model, but every time i purchase an old model, a new one comes within weeks. So this time i wait patiently(not quite) for the new model.
I'm in the same situation myself. I couldn't afford to buy right now but August/September time I likely will be and I think 4 years between buying a new Mac gives me a decent boost in performance. A Mac Mini based on the quad i7s in the 15" Retina Macbook Pros would offer a 5 x CPU power boost over my current system and I think that's worth the wait.
I agree about the misconceptions of Macs too. People are comparing these grossly under-powered, power-hungry monsters that simply come with Windows and a steaming pile of trialware, not full, usable software and using only price as the guide. The Mac Mini isn't just the best switcher system for potential PC to Mac converts, but it has the best CPU power/Cost ratio of any of the current Macs too. I know the debate usually ends up with some patronising "professional" reeling off GPU and PCIe SSD specs but for most CPU-bound uses, it makes far more sense for anyone with under £3,300 for the Hex-core Mac Pro to buy a BTO 2.6Ghz Mac Mini with the SSD option. Even more so once they move to Haswell.
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You can't say "Macs" and not include laptops, which is what you keep doing. And even if you were only implying desktops, it's still the iMac. No amount of proof will steer you the other direction. You're a cheerleader for the Mini, and there's nothing wrong with that. You seem to think the only sales outlet for "Macs (read: desktops for you)" is Amazon and B&H. I love the Mini, and I'm not knocking it (owned 3), but you're just plain wrong on it being the best selling Mac. You're still wrong when describing just desktops. Your "proof" excludes Apple's reports.
I'm curious as to the conclusion people draw from these lists. Here's the sources I've used to back up my claims as the MacBook Pros being the best selling Mac, and not the Mac Mini like you claim:
Best Buy
MacMall
Amazon (All desktops, laptops, tablets) - hey! The Mac Mini isn't even in the top 100.
Amazon Desktops (Your Mini is 4, yes, iMac is 10)
B&H Laptops (MBP shows 238 reviews)
B&H Desktops (138 reviews...while that's not a sales number, which one would you conclude may sell more?)
From the survey that GGJstudios posted, also a MacRumors news story: (have to take it with a grain of salt)
And the best one for last. The 2012 annual report directly from Apple. While the 2013 doesn't break everything down like the 2012 report does...do you think the Mini saw an increase in sales with no update?
Apple 2012 Form 10-K (go to page 30, page 32 (bullet point 3), and page 73).
Here's an attachment of page 30
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I will myself. But this guy is entertaining. He's flat out wrong and it's funny to watch him spew total BS.
I'll let it go.
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My only concern is that Apple will not allow people to have access on RAM for the next model. At this point i think they wait for Broadwell release. So i think it's more like a redesign of some sort. Otherwise we would have seen the new mini already. I mean the cpu's are there, the much improved integrated graphics also, so what's keeping them to upgrade? It's not like it's not selling well either(it's funny how some can believe in numbers from obscure marketing groups who claim 0% mini sales for months; you must be really out off reality to buy into this). It's on 3'd place of best selling computers on Amazon. So i think Apple is trying to redesign the machine - if all they wanted was a normal upgrade the hardware is there since last year. My only hope is that we will still have user accessible RAM.
Heh. You've an interesting way of not arguing with people in this thread
I'm still not sure where you get your numbers from. Obviously Europe is more expensive than the US, both for base Apple price and for taxes, but $800 through the Apple store and before taxes? For the base Mac Mini? $1,200 in the EU? I'm not following
I also think Apple has a different definition of "entry-level" than you. It will never include "cheap", both in cost and in quality. Apple puts an i5 CPU in their base $600 (US price) model. An entry level HP gets an i3 or less, with very much integrated graphics -- naturally it costs less, too. I'm curious what entry-level tasks you think need 1GB of dedicated VRAM? Perhaps you want the Mac Mini to perform at levels outside of the market it's designed for?
to be honest, the guy has a valid point. although the cheapest model (available in portugal from apple) works out at 900 dollars for 2.5 dual core, youd have to add an external drive at least as a 500 gig drive doesnt go far once you slice off a bit for bootcamp, so you are looking at roughly 1100 dollars plus for the 2.3 quad core.
that doesnt actually upset me too much as we know buying macs means paying more for a better experience, but for a lot of people its a lot of cash for a computer that doesnt satisfy their needs.
my needs arent too unusual, and apple has for many years had a machine that fitted those needs. a decent, not too expensive machine without a monitor that will do normal day to day things, photoshop and indesign, play my music, stream my films, play games at least to a non mediocre level. so normal things really.
my first machine, many years ago did that, a quadra 610 (25mhz ) and then a g4 mirror door did that.
since then ive been stuck with the choice of either a mini (**** graphics so forget gaming) or an imac (more money than i want to spend because it comes with a screen).
my last but one machine was a mini 2009, missed out on a lot of games and had to replace quicker than id have wanted ,and my present one is an imac 2011, more money than i wanted to spend and ill therefore have to hang onto it longer a) cos it cost me more and b) my next replacement will be an imac all things being equal.
so yes im a normal mac user and apple doesnt make a 'mac for me'. not complaining, just stating a fact. does it lose apple sales? probably yes. does it make them money from people who spend more than they wanted to to get an imac? definitely. are there lots of people using a mini which doesnt fit their needs? definitely.
Considering the Broadwell release next January and the fact that the NUC will be released this December with Broadwell, this might have disrupted the plan from Apple for a new mini release. Broadwell will be a game changer for IGPU and thermals and the mini along with the rest of the Apple Mac line maybe waiting on.
Exactly. Broadwell will be a significant upgrade. I still don't understand why there has been so much anticipation for a Haswell Mini. Apple still may refresh the Mini with a Haswell version. Except where Haswell systems have shown an improvement graphics performance they just aren't that much of an upgrade from 2012 Ivy Bridge and anyone who read what Intel said about what to expect from Haswell has known this for the last two years.
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Mac mini 2014
According to a Japanese website,
the mac mini 2014 out in March:
http://www.weiphone.com/apple/MAC/2...ch_there_will_be_a_new_Mac_mini__577606.shtml
According to a Japanese website,
the mac mini 2014 out in March:
http://www.weiphone.com/apple/MAC/2...ch_there_will_be_a_new_Mac_mini__577606.shtml