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I'm quite looking forward to trying the NUC out, especially as it offers raid on the 2 ssd's should scream along!

I consider the NUC or similar systems, of which there are now quite a few would be an excellent alternative to the Mini for many many people. It's simply a matter of one being able to put prejudice aside and taking a long dispassionate look at the alternatives.

It can be like a relationship, you know deep down that staying isn't the answer but leaving and moving on feels daunting, so you stay and ultimately end up being disappointed.
 
It can be like a relationship, you know deep down that staying isn't the answer but leaving and moving on feels daunting, so you stay and ultimately end up being disappointed.

I have some grave concerns about where Apple is going. Having not anticipated the downturn in the phone market and not being prepared with a plan shows not only their stock holders but their customers that the management of the company is failing to innovate new products that maintain there financials.

I also see Mac and OS X as being pushed to the side in favor of iPad pro and IOS. OS X is so bloated and consumes to much Ram to operate efficiently. Developers for OS X are becoming fewer and fewer in favor of well paying IOS apps. Convergence was a great addition to OS X but really the system need a good house cleaning to be efficient again.

Also the Macs themselves are too costly and built to insure consumers can not repair or upgrade because of solder, glue and tamper-proof screws.

I look to the developer conference to see what the plan for the future of Mac is but I can easily move on to a PC and stay in the Apple ecosystem with my iPad and iPhone.
 
I have some grave concerns about where Apple is going. Having not anticipated the downturn in the phone market and not being prepared with a plan shows not only their stock holders but their customers that the management of the company is failing to innovate new products that maintain there financials.

I also see Mac and OS X as being pushed to the side in favor of iPad pro and IOS. OS X is so bloated and consumes to much Ram to operate efficiently. Developers for OS X are becoming fewer and fewer in favor of well paying IOS apps. Convergence was a great addition to OS X but really the system need a good house cleaning to be efficient again.

Also the Macs themselves are too costly and built to insure consumers can not repair or upgrade because of solder, glue and tamper-proof screws.

I look to the developer conference to see what the plan for the future of Mac is but I can easily move on to a PC and stay in the Apple ecosystem with my iPad and iPhone.

You speak the truth. I feel the same.
 
I look to the developer conference to see what the plan for the future of Mac is but I can easily move on to a PC and stay in the Apple ecosystem with my iPad and iPhone.


WWDC 12 was rMBP. WWDC 13 was trashcan. WWDC 14 and 15 were blank? 16? New all singing Minis as the headline item, with 4 core cpu model, user upgradable 64gb RAM, and user upgradable SSD? :-D
 
My guess for new Mac Mini is:
– Skylake Core M processor
– non-upgradeable anything
– metal chassis with passive cooling
– thinnest Mac Mini ever
– price increase
– available in rose gold

I wish I was joking. A pessimist is never disappointed though.

"dude just get a mac pro thats what its for" /sarcasm
 
The problem with respect to the NUC for grannies like me… they are DIY kits. Having never put together a computer myself, I need a mini desktop that comes ready-built - hence, the Mac mini. :( Am also super reluctant to go with a different operating system than OS X. Don't want Windows, having been burned by it prior to getting my first (and so far, only) Mac mini in the Summer of 2007. Have entertained the idea before of using Linux… but again, I worry about being able to use that operating system without my having any techie experience.
 
The problem with respect to the NUC for grannies like me… they are DIY kits. Having never put together a computer myself, I need a mini desktop that comes ready-built - hence, the Mac mini. :( Am also super reluctant to go with a different operating system than OS X. Don't want Windows, having been burned by it prior to getting my first (and so far, only) Mac mini in the Summer of 2007. Have entertained the idea before of using Linux… but again, I worry about being able to use that operating system without my having any techie experience.
For 95% of Mac Mini users the present Minis are fine. Know your comfort and stick with it.
 
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I consider the NUC or similar systems, of which there are now quite a few would be an excellent alternative to the Mini for many many people. It's simply a matter of one being able to put prejudice aside and taking a long dispassionate look at the alternatives.

It can be like a relationship, you know deep down that staying isn't the answer but leaving and moving on feels daunting, so you stay and ultimately end up being disappointed.
Agreed on the NUC. But running Windows on it is a dog. Linux a fractured self-supporting bag-of-hurt. Hackintosh an exercise in patience and impossible for non-techies. "Should I stay or should I go now... " will be the sung by long time Apple loyalists hoping for another era where "Snow Leopard" roamed the tech world :)
 
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I consider the NUC or similar systems, of which there are now quite a few would be an excellent alternative to the Mini for many many people. It's simply a matter of one being able to put prejudice aside and taking a long dispassionate look at the alternatives.

It can be like a relationship, you know deep down that staying isn't the answer but leaving and moving on feels daunting, so you stay and ultimately end up being disappointed.

Who are the many many people you speak of? Yourself and a few other geeks seeking cut price computer Nivarna? If so, move on. There will always be new developments, new CPUs, OS updates, more cores, faster memory options; enough to keep ya'll eternally covetous and lustful.

You may be convinced of the righteousness of your ways; no one's knocking that. But realise that many, who just want to do simple stuff without hassle, remain satisfied with OS X and the Mac Mini, no matter how disappointed you feel we should be.

The problem with respect to the NUC for grannies like me… they are DIY kits. Having never put together a computer myself, I need a mini desktop that comes ready-built - hence, the Mac mini. :( Am also super reluctant to go with a different operating system than OS X. Don't want Windows, having been burned by it prior to getting my first (and so far, only) Mac mini in the Summer of 2007. Have entertained the idea before of using Linux… but again, I worry about being able to use that operating system without my having any techie experience.

For the likes of us, thankfully, the new Mac Mini is almost certainly coming to eventually replace our several years old Minis. Maybe not cutting edge tech and revolutionary, it will almost certainly have evolved to incorporate significant developments.
 
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Have to disagree on that. I did a build and setup during the holidays for a friend on an I5 NUC with a SSD and 8GB of Ram. It booted in 15 sec and ran Windows 10 very well. He told me a few days ago he has experienced no problems with it and it runs 24/7 as his media center and server.

Agree. While I still prefer OS X, I use both a Macbook and a Windows 10 laptop at work and Windows 10 has come a long way. Both are stable and for the first time in a long time, I wouldn't be against a Windows box - especially since Apple has made the mini (along with the Pro) their orphan.
 
The problem with respect to the NUC for grannies like me… they are DIY kits. Having never put together a computer myself, I need a mini desktop that comes ready-built - hence, the Mac mini. :( Am also super reluctant to go with a different operating system than OS X. Don't want Windows, having been burned by it prior to getting my first (and so far, only) Mac mini in the Summer of 2007. Have entertained the idea before of using Linux… but again, I worry about being able to use that operating system without my having any techie experience.

You can buy them ready assembled, delivered and ready to go with the parts you want. You should try W10 you will be amazed at just how good it is. Many people are now referring to it as the new OS X, though speaking personally I think that is an insult to W10 as I find it to be better.
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Who are the many many people you speak of? Yourself and a few other geeks seeking cut price computer Nivarna? If so, move on. There will always be new developments, new CPUs, OS updates, more cores, faster memory options; enough to keep ya'll eternally covetous and lustful.

You may be convinced of the righteousness of your ways; no one's knocking that. But realise that many, who just want to do simple stuff without hassle, remain satisfied with OS X and the Mac Mini, no matter how disappointed you feel we should be.



For the likes of us, thankfully, the new Mac Mini is almost certainly coming to eventually replace our several years old Minis. Maybe not cutting edge tech and revolutionary, it will almost certainly have evolved to incorporate significant developments.

I'm afraid you are showing your ignorance of the facts yet again - the NUC is by no means cheap and properly specified will cost you the same if not more than a Mini. The point being though you will be able to upgrade it as and when you want to, which is where the costs savings come in.

For the rest of your post - well you have already said a number of times you know absolutely nothing about computers so I'm not sure you're in any position to comment. Finally, you really need to change the record stating the Mac Mini is almost certainly coming - I assume you are trying to convince yourself of this not others?
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For 95% of Mac Mini users the present Minis are fine. Know your comfort and stick with it.
Source for that assertion please.
 
Source for that assertion please.
My only source is the amount of people I see complaining on here. Most of the complainers have moved on to other systems that suit their needs. Some went to iMacs, Windows machines and Linux.

The Mini was considered a hobbyist machine before 2014 refresh because of the ability to take it apart and change HD and Ram. Those people have also moved back to PCs rather than to buy a sealed, soldered and tamper-screw appliance. So the rest that are left are the people that don't want to mess with the innards and simply enjoy the user experience. I predict by the end of the year most of us complainers will be gone too.

I do agree that Windows 10 is much better on system resource and in the year that I have been using it I have had zero problems with it. It runs every day on my Mini and installed in bootcamp but runs as a Parallels 11 VM on top of OS X. I use Windows apps more than OS X because they are faster.
 
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My only source is the amount of people I see complaining on here. Most of the complainers have moved on to other systems that suit their needs. Some went to iMacs, Windows machines and Linux.

The Mini was considered a hobbyist machine before 2014 refresh because of the ability to take it apart and change HD and Ram. Those people have also moved back to PCs rather than to buy a sealed, soldered and tamper-screw appliance. So the rest that are left are the people that don't want to mess with the innards and simply enjoy the user experience. I predict by the end of the year most of us complainers will be gone too.

I do agree that Windows 10 is much better on system resource and in the year that I have been using it I have had zero problems with it. It runs every day on my Mini and installed in bootcamp but runs as a Parallels 11 VM on top of OS X. I use Windows apps more than OS X because they are faster.

Why do you run Parallels in boot camp? That's almost akin to running a VM in a VM? I too run Windows 10 in Parallels but it sits in the Dock. By doing it this way I can run Windows and OS X side by side, have the Windows apps running in OS X and copy & paste between the two. I have seen no hit on system resources either although I have got 20 gigs of RAM to go at, plus Parallels is on the SSD.

P.S. you can't really use this forum as proof about anything as we don't have a base line measure.
 
Why do you run Parallels in boot camp? That's almost akin to running a VM in a VM? I too run Windows 10 in Parallels but it sits in the Dock. By doing it this way I can run Windows and OS X side by side, have the Windows apps running in OS X and copy & paste between the two. I have seen no hit on system resources either although I have got 20 gigs of RAM to go at, plus Parallels is on the SSD.

P.S. you can't really use this forum as proof about anything as we don't have a base line measure.

I just merged my bootcamp partition for my VM in Parallels so that any changes I make in my VM also gets changed in my bootcamp partition.

The base line departed in 2014 when they sealed the refreshed Mini. Before that their were always people on here discussing tearing down and upgrading their Minis. Not much discussion about that any longer. The Mini forum is basically dead anymore. People have moved on.
 
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New info on NUC for those that may be interested.


Phew! watched the video, this is something a Mini owner couldn't even dream about. I'm definitely interested.
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I just merged my bootcamp partition for my VM in Parallels so that any changes I make in my VM also gets changed in my bootcamp partition.

You would get so much more out of both OS X and W10 in Parallels if you ran it within OS X. It's a win win for both.
 
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