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The new Mac mini is almost certainly coming

Lankyman said:
Can you point me to the source that states 95% are/will be more than satisfied with Apple's hardware in the Mini? Could you also point me to the source that states only 2% can't make do with 8 gigs of RAM?

You bluster on about all these hardware peripheral statistics yet you fail to mention that Intel and their diminutive NUC are able to achieve what Apple aren't willing to or can't plus a host of other manufactures. Should you wish it I can furnish you with the names of those companies.

I will accept that Iris Pro graphics would do very nicely in a Mini, oh just remembered though, that isn't on offer, I was thinking about the NUC. :(
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Mines mid-2011 - the good old days. This is likely to be my last.
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You are one of the disaffected, always in search of computer Nivarna on a penny pinching budget, who will never be satisfied. The next new thing is always popping up, or should be in your opinion. BeatCrazy summed ya'll up quite nicely.

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You guys keep wanting to buy a loaded-up Chevy Malibu and expect it to perform like a Corvette. Except you can't spec a Malibu like that, or a Mac mini.
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Check out this thread, and you'll find some folks who are quite content with the base model 2014 Mac Mini; it fits their humble needs. Then of course there are the x-spurts who are convinced that they should not be.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/should-i-buy-late-2014-mac-mini.1907671/#post-21705229

The new Mac Minis will almost certainly come in a range of models, with a range of custom build options, to suit a variety of needs, desires and budgets.
 
jpietrzak8 said:
And you guys seem so willing to dump your current computer and buy another one every few years. :) I have just barely upgraded my 2007 and 2010 Minis (to keep up with OS requirements, mainly), and they still work perfectly for my needs. Neither has ever been "glitchy"...
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Maybe so for some, but not for all. I upgraded my early 2009 base model Mini with an extra 4 GB of RAM (now 1 + 4= 5GB) to run Mountain Lion. It remains fine for my needs, and I reckon it will remain so for another couple of years or so. By then replacement will probably be more cost effective than upgrade or repair. A poll I did some time back suggests there are plenty of people who keep their Mac Minis for many years.

People dumping their computers after only a few years are those who convince themselves that they are in need of the latest this, the fastest that, and the most modern other thing.
 
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Lankyman said:
I'll ignore the continued insults. If you are on a budget then you would hardly be looking at a Mac Mini would you? The fact remains it's old tech at 2016 prices and the tech is pretty underwhelming at that. To get around this fact you then start talking about buying a Mac Pro and this in a Mac Mini forum that you keep trying to defend.

Why should Apple ever consider upping their game with the Mini when they have apologists like yourself tub thumping for them?
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I have tolerated your frequent taunts suggesting my unsophisticated ignorance, which I have have chosen to ignore, and will continue to do so.

As a teacher in a developing country I spent nearly a month's income on my base model 2009 Mac Mini, which has been hassle free and seems good value to me. When the time comes to replace it there will almost certainly have been another generation or two of Mac Minis.

Others I know have been through 2 or 3 slightly cheaper computers since then. Over the years it has cost them, and they have had to deal with the hassles that come with Windows along the way. The Windows desktops in the office are in constant need of attention.

I did not talk about buying a Mac Pro. I gave an example of a friend who bought a Mac Pro because he wanted more grunt than he could get from a Mac Mini.

You don't give a hoot that the Mac Mini (and the new OS X) is almost certainly coming. So be it…. move on.
 
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What cracks me up is those who defend Apple's way overpriced and underspec'd lineup as "fine for 95% of users" are the same one to tell you "of course your computer is slow now -- it's 2-3 years old!".... While Apple sells hardware that's 2-3 years old as "new" with a premium price.

Today, 8GB of RAM is enough for a modest workflow in OSX. In 2 years though, it might not be enough given the way OSX is going. Then, we'll hear that the computer is obviously old and outdated.

Computers today should be able to last a good 5-10 years for most people. I think that's why they cripple the lineup -- they don't want to make them usable that long.

I can't foresee the day my i7 4790K is too slow unless I take up 8K video editing or something. Even my Q6600 desktop from 2007 has quad core and runs about as well as a new Mini in some respects (obviously not power consumption or data transfer).

There's very little reason for the average person to upgrade a computer these days. It seems that selling underspec'd hardware that cannot be changed, and at a premium price, is Apple's solution. I imagine it won't be long before OSX updates are permanent like iOS so when the update slows your computer down, you'll have little choice but to replace it like you would a phone or tablet.

None of us should be happy about the state of things. More and more die-hard fans are coming to terms with Apple taking more from the customer to feed the shareholders.

If you're happy paying $1500 for a new Mini every 3-4 years that barely outperforms the one it replaces, by all means. But don't pretend it's everyone else who's crazy for wanting current tech at an even somewhat reasonable price.
 
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Altis said:
What cracks me up is those who defend Apple's way overpriced and underspec'd lineup as "fine for 95% of users" are the same one to tell you "of course your computer is slow now -- it's 2-3 years old!".... While Apple sells hardware that's 2-3 years old as "new" with a premium price.

Today, 8GB of RAM is enough for a modest workflow in OSX. In 2 years though, it might not be enough given the way OSX is going. Then, we'll hear that the computer is obviously old and outdated.

Computers today should be able to last a good 5-10 years for most people. I think that's why they cripple the lineup -- they don't want to make them usable that long.

I can't foresee the day my i7 4790K is too slow unless I take up 8K video editing or something. Even my Q6600 desktop from 2007 has quad core and runs about as well as a new Mini in some respects (obviously not power consumption or data transfer).

There's very little reason for the average person to upgrade a computer these days. It seems that selling underspec'd hardware that cannot be changed, and at a premium price, is Apple's solution. I imagine it won't be long before OSX updates are permanent like iOS so when the update slows your computer down, you'll have little choice but to replace it like you would a phone or tablet.

None of us should be happy about the state of things. More and more die-hard fans are coming to terms with Apple taking more from the customer to feed the shareholders.

If you're happy paying $1500 for a new Mini every 3-4 years that barely outperforms the one it replaces, by all means. But don't pretend it's everyone else who's crazy for wanting current tech at an even somewhat reasonable price.
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Does that mean everyone squealing in this thread will stop, if we get a Mid 2016 mini next month? :)
 
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BeatCrazy said:
You guys keep wanting to buy a loaded-up Chevy Malibu and expect it to perform like a Corvette. Except you can't spec a Malibu like that, or a Mac mini.

Enjoy your mid-2011 mini. I had one as well. Upgraded everything I could, with high performance RAM and SSD. My Late 2014 with "fixed" everything outperforms the 2011, and is far less glitchy.
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My mid-2011 is no longer a Mini but an i5 iMac with 20 gigs of RAM and and Evo 850 Pro SSD plus original HDD combo. It goes like an express train. These machines are Apple's glory days. The present hardware are Apple's dirty little secret.
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Micky Do said:
You are one of the disaffected, always in search of computer Nivarna on a penny pinching budget, who will never be satisfied. The next new thing is always popping up, or should be in your opinion.
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And yet here I am running a 5 year old iMac - doesn't quite fit the image you have chosen for me does it?
 
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BeatCrazy said:
Does that mean everyone squealing in this thread will stop, if we get a Mid 2016 mini next month? :)
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No, but it means you'll have bought what, 3 new Minis in 5 years?

Not exactly a cheap way to go, nor environmentally friendly. People like that are good for the economy though, I'm told.

As a side note, if you're perfectly content with Apple and the way they're doing things... Why come here? The people upset have perfectly valid reasons to be, and it seems odd to come and seek them out just to tell them to get over it.
 
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Altis said:
No, but it means you'll have bought what, 3 new Minis in 5 years?

Not exactly a cheap way to go, nor environmentally friendly. People like that are good for the economy though, I'm told.

As a side note, if you're perfectly content with Apple and the way they're doing things... Why come here? The people upset have perfectly valid reasons to be, and it seems odd to come and seek them out just to tell them to get over it.
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Who said I was buying a third mini in 5 years? BTW, my Mid 2011 mini went to a friend, a mature lady who was fed up with years of terrible Windows experience. She loves the mini I sold her, and is now a Mac convert. I'd say it's good for her, good for the environment, and good for the Apple community in general.

I'm not seeking anyone out. I'm a mini customer, and became even more satisfied when I came to terms with how Apple is positioning this product. It works quite well, when I use it for how it was designed. Maybe I'll consider the "next" Mac mini, maybe not. I guess we'll see what happens next month.
 
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MarkusL said:
Doesn't M.2 PCIe work inside the reality distortion field? Not even if you modulate the shield frequency on the main deflector dish?
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Ah, because the M.2 PCIe SSD hardware options are so robust, with no chance of anyone buying the wrong version to "upgrade" with?
 
BeatCrazy said:
Ah, because the M.2 PCIe SSD hardware options are so robust, with no chance of anyone buying the wrong version to "upgrade" with?
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Let's leave worrying about versions to those who want the option to upgrade, and let's not pretend the possibility would ruin the experience for anyone else.
 
MarkusL said:
Let's leave worrying about versions to those who want the option to upgrade, and let's not pretend the possibility would ruin the experience for anyone else.
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More proof that the "potential upgraders" are small portion of the entire buying pool. Even of a less of a reason for Apple to design this flexibility for a limited field of users.
 
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BeatCrazy said:
Riiiiight. Because no literate internet user has ever ordered an incorrect/incompatible M.2 PCIe drive before.
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Here's a crazy thought: Apple could do what Intel does for the NUC. Publish a list of a few compatible drives, for the benefit of those who don't want to research it on their own. No, I forgot Apple only has a $10B R&D budget, so that's out of their reach.
 
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I was looking for an older Mac mini, but the prices people were asking for were much too high.
For 3 year old hardware, it wasn't worth it.

New Mac mini's can't come sooner. The long wait between new Mac minis has kept prices of current and used market artificially high.
 
Crosscreek said:
After following the discussion today from Intel on Skull Canyon, not much information. Many unanswered question of performance, noise and heat so I guess we will have to wait for reviews to see what the bottom line is. I would mention 1 comment from Intel that bothers me and that is with CPU at 100% the temperature is just under TDP which is 100C. With SSD having problems in the past with heat this could be a problem and not the best conditions if running hours on end at 100%CPU.
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FYI unless someone hasn't seen it yet: http://nucblog.net/2016/05/skull-canyon-nuc-benchmark-results/

Just the first one I've seen. I'm sure more are coming shortly, but this does give you some basic benchmarks plus has some info on neat/noise.
 
MarkusL said:
Here's a crazy thought: Apple could do what Intel does for the NUC. Publish a list of a few compatible drives, for the benefit of those who don't want to research it on their own. No, I forgot Apple only has a $10B R&D budget, so that's out of their reach.
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That ship has already sailed.
 
xheathen said:
FYI unless someone hasn't seen it yet: http://nucblog.net/2016/05/skull-canyon-nuc-benchmark-results/

Just the first one I've seen. I'm sure more are coming shortly, but this does give you some basic benchmarks plus has some info on neat/noise.
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WOW ....very impressive benches and I'm sure will see plenty more. 14,000 multicore Geekbench is off the charts for a Mini PC. The 2012 2.6 quad core Mini was around 12,000 multicore. And by the way the 2.6 ran at the same temps.

The temp at 100% cpu load still concerns me but the fan can be adjusted in BIOS from what I hear and I'm sure someone will come up with a cooling case in the future.

Full support of Linux with IGPU is a BIG pluss.

Still one of the PCs in the fall on my list. Prices will come down a lot during the holidays.
 
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