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The earliest logical date is Spring 2017, and it might even come earlier.

Well, while that is true (based on what Apple has done in the past), it is also the case that whenever a new Mini is on the way, MacRumors has usually found some sort of rumor about it months before the fact. Given that the rumor mill is utterly dry right now, I just don't see it happening any time soon...
 
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There wasn't any rumor for the 2014 really until it showed up at WWDC that I can remember.

If I recall we were all expecting Broadwell and never seen the soldered together appliance part coming or dropping quad cores.
 
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This thread is still going? It's because of this thread that I held off a few months buying the 2012 mini. Glad I didn't wait for the 2014 model...
 
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Well, while that is true (based on what Apple has done in the past), it is also the case that whenever a new Mini is on the way, MacRumors has usually found some sort of rumor about it months before the fact. Given that the rumor mill is utterly dry right now, I just don't see it happening any time soon...
You are probably right, but we are still three months before March, that is enough time for rumours to come ;) And it is always possible that they somehow managed to not leak something, especially if it is a silent update.
 
Erm no, I do not know where you got that from, you missed two big dates. The earliest logical date is Spring 2017, and it might even come earlier. After Spring, there is a good chance that it will come out at the WWDC, after that you are looking at October 2017. It can also come at any time any day (with some exceptions), with or without a keynote, and as I have heard from others, most likely on a Tuesday.

But given the revelations about desktop engineers having to help the Macbook guys put out a product in October I wouldn't expect anything revolutionary from the Mac Mini, so sooner rather than later is what I'd say.
 

I saw that on Yahoo today.
My God Man ... they should've never included a photo of the box because it looks like something Mel Gibson would use in Mad Max - and its not sustainable with regular updates. If this is the future for ex-MAC users or users stuck with an old Mini then it's time to take a rest until the next "elegant" big thing occurs in personal computing for those who do intensive work and need a sustainable platform..
 
I saw that on Yahoo today.
My God Man ... they should've never included a photo of the box because it looks like something Mel Gibson would use in Mad Max - and its not sustainable with regular updates. If this is the future for ex-MAC users or users stuck with an old Mini then it's time to take a rest until the next "elegant" big thing occurs in personal computing for those who do intensive work and need a sustainable platform..
It's defiantly not as hard as this guy claims. I built mine in 3 hours and had OS X running on it in an hour and updates come right through the app store.
The trick is finding the golden build of the machine you want and follow the thread which this guy did not do.
 
Not much action on the new Mac Mini front, so here is an irrelevant diversion. After trying to send a group email from a trusted website, Mail froze up and now will not work (won't open). After 2 hours chatting with Apple support, they let me know that they couldn't help me because my machine is too old (something they knew from the start). Ok, that ends the complaint portions. When the new mail message opened with the email list in place, it froze. I closed it and tried again. Now Mail just won't open at all. I have a very long error message, here's part of it. Any ideas?

Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

Exception Type: EXC_BAD_INSTRUCTION (SIGILL)
Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000001, 0x0000000000000000
Exception Note: EXC_CORPSE_NOTIFY

Termination Signal: Illegal instruction: 4
Termination Reason: Namespace SIGNAL, Code 0x4
Terminating Process: exc handler [0]

Also, the new mac mini is almost certainly coming.
 
Not much action on the new Mac Mini front, so here is an irrelevant diversion. After trying to send a group email from a trusted website, Mail froze up and now will not work (won't open). After 2 hours chatting with Apple support, they let me know that they couldn't help me because my machine is too old (something they knew from the start). Ok, that ends the complaint portions. When the new mail message opened with the email list in place, it froze. I closed it and tried again. Now Mail just won't open at all. I have a very long error message, here's part of it. Any ideas?

Crashed Thread: 0 Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

Exception Type: EXC_BAD_INSTRUCTION (SIGILL)
Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000001, 0x0000000000000000
Exception Note: EXC_CORPSE_NOTIFY

Termination Signal: Illegal instruction: 4
Termination Reason: Namespace SIGNAL, Code 0x4
Terminating Process: exc handler [0]

Also, the new mac mini is almost certainly coming.
Recover your OS will probably fix it. Maybe?
 
Recover your OS will probably fix it. Maybe?

If we're just talking about the Mail app crashing it shouldn't, unless "recover your OS" also deletes all of your data...

I see that there are quite a few other people having the exact same problem with Mail. Not seeing any solutions yet, though:

https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/9026
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2716487?start=0&tstart=0

The complaints go back pretty far in time, so I don't think this is a new bug.

EDIT: I hate to say it, but if Apple is unwilling to push up a fix for this bug, you might want to try some non-Apple alternative e-mail apps...
 
If we're just talking about the Mail app crashing it shouldn't, unless "recover your OS" also deletes all of your data...

I see that there are quite a few other people having the exact same problem with Mail. Not seeing any solutions yet, though:

https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/9026
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2716487?start=0&tstart=0

The complaints go back pretty far in time, so I don't think this is a new bug.

EDIT: I hate to say it, but if Apple is unwilling to push up a fix for this bug, you might want to try some non-Apple alternative e-mail apps...
Well yeah, you should always have a backup. :)
 
If we're just talking about the Mail app crashing it shouldn't, unless "recover your OS" also deletes all of your data...

I see that there are quite a few other people having the exact same problem with Mail. Not seeing any solutions yet, though:

https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/9026
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2716487?start=0&tstart=0

The complaints go back pretty far in time, so I don't think this is a new bug.

EDIT: I hate to say it, but if Apple is unwilling to push up a fix for this bug, you might want to try some non-Apple alternative e-mail apps...
Well, it's one of two things. You either have a corrupt binary (in which case, grab the full 10.12.2 installer and do an in-place upgrade), or backup your ~/Library/Mail/... directories to another location and start messing with the data.
That thread from the developer forums - fightingmajor's suggestion to re-build the indexes seems like a good place to start.

Edit: Oho! Just read the other thread. Likely there's a bug in mail...that there's certain malformed messages that cause it to crash. (if you can isolate which account/mailbox is causing the issue, that might help).
 
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Recover your OS will probably fix it. Maybe?

Thanks. I did try re-installing Sierra, and that did not affect the problem (a soft install). I think restoring from an earlier backup would be a good thing to try, but I'm going to wait until the job I have next week is done. It's the only reason I still have a laptop (if you don't count the new mac mini's failure to appear).
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If we're just talking about the Mail app crashing it shouldn't, unless "recover your OS" also deletes all of your data...

I see that there are quite a few other people having the exact same problem with Mail. Not seeing any solutions yet, though:

https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/9026
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2716487?start=0&tstart=0

The complaints go back pretty far in time, so I don't think this is a new bug.

EDIT: I hate to say it, but if Apple is unwilling to push up a fix for this bug, you might want to try some non-Apple alternative e-mail apps...

Thanks, I saw some of those problems, which don't quite sound like mine and noticed the lack of a clear fix. I do have an alternative that I am using, which is why I'm not desperate.
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Well, it's one of two things. You either have a corrupt binary (in which case, grab the full 10.12.2 installer and do an in-place upgrade), or backup your ~/Library/Mail/... directories to another location and start messing with the data.
That thread from the developer forums - fightingmajor's suggestion to re-build the indexes seems like a good place to start.

Edit: Oho! Just read the other thread. Likely there's a bug in mail...that there's certain malformed messages that cause it to crash. (if you can isolate which account/mailbox is causing the issue, that might help).

That sounds promising, thank you. I will try some of these suggestions once I'm done with the needs I have for this computer next week. I will let you all know, if I get it fixed, what did or didn't work. More suggestions are welcome.
 
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I still have a 2012 rMBP, but I'm really keen to switch to a 4K monitor. Can't afford a new MBP so I'm thinking the way to go might be to hold out for a possible 4K-ready Mac mini and one of the new LG UltraFine monitors.
 
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Can anyone explain how this could affect the Mac mini in 2017, whether good or bad?

I'm not entirely confident on the following answer so feel free to correct me:

I don't think Apple currently use that series of CPU (mobile quad core no hyper threading) so there won't be a difference. They would have to be planning a whole new product line to take advantage of a CPU that's due out in August. And we're expecting the overdue desktop refresh (containing no surprises except for a price increase ;)) in March this year.

The R series is generally desktop BGA (soldered onto the motherboard, not slotted in like people would on their Hackintosh). But I alway assumed that these CPUs would be soldered into the motherboard on mobile products too.

Apple DO use the R series Broadwell CPU in the 21.5" iMac both retina and non-retina models - of course it's due to be replaced perhaps by March and there is an R series Skylake which could slot straight in. I'm not sure an R series Kaby Lake would be feasible giving the latest rumblings from Intel.

Intel seem to be moving way from the notion of Iris Pro graphics in CPUs due to lack of popularity with so many folks going for discrete GPUs instead making the enhanced integrated graphics a bit of a waste of money. This could be why the latest Macbook Pro 15" models have HD 530 graphics, saving some money to put towards an AMD GPU.

Without having to cater for the better graphics (or hyper threading), Intel could go for efficiency savings in a lower wattage package with more standard integrated graphics. This may be suitable for Apple or they may be planning to marry up with a genuine AMD GPU to potentially drive compute performance going forward and connect to 5k monitors.

In terms of mobile H series CPUs without hyper threading - this year, Intel had the i5-6350HQ CPU. A 45w CPU with base frequency of 2.3GHz and with Iris Pro 580 graphics.
They also had the i5-6300HQ CPU. A 45w CPU as above but with Iris Graphics 530 and a price cut.

While quad core is nice, Apple prefer the dual core i5 with Iris Graphics for the 13" Macbook Pro.

The new Touchbar 15" Macs use the faster i7-6700HQ/6820HQ and 6920HQ running at 2.6, 2.7 and 2.9GHz. These do have hyper threading.

I did suggest the use of non-hyperthreading i5 as a way of lowering the entry bar to the 15" Macbook Pro but I guess $100 cheaper wasn't really much of a dent in the new pricing of the 15" Macbook Pro in the UK. The battery life issues they have had on these older style batteries make it sound very much like a Rev.A model to be avoided until the 2017 model comes out.

Obviously a 2017 Mac Mini won't have these battery life issues and people can look favourably on it...
 
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