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Anybody else thinking the momentum is building? Is 2017 going to be our year for those who braved the elements and held out?

I'll find it more brave if people spend $1000+ on a fully-soldered, laptop-grade "desktop" computer that Apple clearly doesn't give a hoot about, even if it does see an update.

I'm at the point where I don't think it's a worthwhile ecosystem to invest any more money in, personally. Apple would have to take up a sudden keen interest in desktops or professional products again, as I'm quite sure they're moving on to other things at this point in time.
 
I think either I'm getting a BTO used 5,1 or 6,1 MP. Or I will simply stop upgrading. When things stop working and I can't get replacement parts anymore, or when my iPhone SE stops working as it should, I'll move onto whatever tech device that has filled the gap that Apple won't see coming. Perhaps a true AGI device.
 
I'll find it more brave if people spend $1000+ on a fully-soldered, laptop-grade "desktop" computer that Apple clearly doesn't give a hoot about, even if it does see an update.

I'm at the point where I don't think it's a worthwhile ecosystem to invest any more money in, personally. Apple would have to take up a sudden keen interest in desktops or professional products again, as I'm quite sure they're moving on to other things at this point in time.

After everything was said and done I put $1200 into my 2012 Mac Mini upgrading it to a self made fusion drive and upgrading the RAM. If the Mac Mini is upgraded to something comparable to this time frame and lasts just as long and costs the same or less then and only then would soldered not bother me.
 
No new mac mini or any other mac updates today. There may not be any mac updates ever again!

Until iOS programs can be programmed on iOS devices or Xcode is released on another operating system some form of the Mac will have to exist.
 
Old Macs still do a fine job running Xcode. Technically, Apple could stop all Mac development today, and probably still have something that could perform Xcode tasks a decade from now...
They would lose developers when that becomes apparent.

Realistically, despite how I feel about it, I think the MacBook Air, Mac Pro and Mac Mini are going to be discontinued. The MacBook Air is survived by the MacBook.

If we are very lucky maybe Apple will consolidate the Mac Pro and Mac Mini into a single product line and not kill off the headless Mac.

Regardless their business model will suffer if they don't get Macs out this year. While they don't think the creative people are important anymore they would be fools not to realize that is putting the cart (iPhone and iPad) in front of the horse (Mac).

To continue the metaphor the iOS device line is not a horseless buggy that can pull itself.
 
Until iOS programs can be programmed on iOS devices or Xcode is released on another operating system some form of the Mac will have to exist.
You are not secure in the mac ecosystem just because of xcode.
If apple wanted to they could suddenly roll out xcode for ios. ios devs would switch to ipad pros overnight. Apple could stop updating the entire mac line. The video editing people are gone already so they wouldn't complain much. The graphic design people will switch to ipad pros as soon as photoshop is on ios- thats what they wanted anyways something you can draw on. There were never gamers so they wouldn't complain. Coffee shop people and white collar type people run old macs anyway so they will slowly replace macs with ipad pros over the next 6 years. Nobody will care if the mac line dies except a couple nerds around here.
 
You are not secure in the mac ecosystem just because of xcode.
If apple wanted to they could suddenly roll out xcode for ios. ios devs would switch to ipad pros overnight. Apple could stop updating the entire mac line. The video editing people are gone already so they wouldn't complain much. The graphic design people will switch to ipad pros as soon as photoshop is on ios- thats what they wanted anyways something you can draw on. There were never gamers so they wouldn't complain. Coffee shop people and white collar type people run old macs anyway so they will slowly replace macs with ipad pros over the next 6 years. Nobody will care if the mac line dies except a couple nerds around here.

If you read my post you would understand that I said until. Porting it to an iPad would require a lot of work on Apple's part. Also being limited to a single screen and not having true multitasking it could be problematic.

For instance if I was editing a graphic for a button and then went to Xcode to load it but the iPad runs out of memory and caches photoshop. When I flip back and it reloads it would have to be smart enough to restore the state.

Now if Apple bumps up the RAM to desktop levels and I can have 32GB of RAM and a 256 or even 512GB storage on the iPad with the ability to use an external monitor, keyboard and mouse when at a desk then that could be a game changer.

However coding with a on screen keyboard all the time might become irksome after a while.
 
Until iOS programs can be programmed on iOS devices or Xcode is released on another operating system some form of the Mac will have to exist.

That's not gonna happen. An iOS devices is capable of the odd email but for real work (i.e. producing stuff) requires a real computer.
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Old Macs still do a fine job running Xcode. Technically, Apple could stop all Mac development today, and probably still have something that could perform Xcode tasks a decade from now...

Maybe but most development is done on laptops and those have limited shelf-life when moved. If you don't update those then you have an inability to accommodate Demand. Demand also mandates shiny.
 
If you read my post you would understand that I said until. Porting it to an iPad would require a lot of work on Apple's part. Also being limited to a single screen and not having true multitasking it could be problematic.

For instance if I was editing a graphic for a button and then went to Xcode to load it but the iPad runs out of memory and caches photoshop. When I flip back and it reloads it would have to be smart enough to restore the state.

Now if Apple bumps up the RAM to desktop levels and I can have 32GB of RAM and a 256 or even 512GB storage on the iPad with the ability to use an external monitor, keyboard and mouse when at a desk then that could be a game changer.

However coding with a on screen keyboard all the time might become irksome after a while.

It would be brilliant of apple if you needed 2 iPad pros to dev and debug iOS apps. They'll still get 3-4k out of you.
 
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I guess our view of what "something special" means might be incompatible with Apple Marketing.
What Apple wants with a cheaper iPad is for schools to use them instead of Chromebooks but it just ain't going to happen because a lot of families can afford !00-150 bucks for a Chromebook but not a $400 iPad.
 
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I guess our view of what "something special" means might be incompatible with Apple Marketing.

Today's announcements this morning will have delighted tens of millions of people.
A Mac Mini refresh would have delighted approximately 10 people.

I do wish Apple would just kill the Mac Mini now though, because it's a bit cruel on those few remaining people who still want new models.
 
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That's not gonna happen. An iOS devices is capable of the odd email but for real work (i.e. producing stuff) requires a real computer.

In the iPad's current form this is exactly correct. However if CAD and video editing is working on the iPad I don't see why coding couldn't be implemented.

For those that know me they know I strongly prefer a Mac to iOS device. However I also am trying to be open to new ideas. If Apple can make the iPad viable then I'm open to it. Since Apple showed a willingness to make a keyboard for it and they have a pencil (natural type of mouse for touch) I think it has a lot of potential if further developed.

I want a way to then do a wireless display for large screens at 4K or 5K resolutions to act more like a desktop iOS. Better multi window support on high resolution monitors.

It would be brilliant of apple if you needed 2 iPad pros to dev and debug iOS apps. They'll still get 3-4k out of you.
That would be interesting if the second iPad could be used to display a second screen for dual screen mode for apps when in a desktop mode type setup and not in a mobile configuration. It might be easier to simple support external touch displays with a single iOS device.
 
Apple loves it's glued & sealed iMacs. Those aren't going anywhere and will be around forever.
 
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