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Crosscreek

macrumors 68030
Nov 19, 2013
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Margarittaville
This is not about mac mini anymore. It is becoming a matter of identity of apple in the eyes of certain group of customers. I almost lost hope before the nMp and now again. I guess apple will eventually need to decide its identity through its product line. If they kill mini and dont put any alternative i will not look back (unless i win a lottery). If they give us a nMp case and imac internals for a reasonable price i am all in for apple (i will forget mini as fast as possible)


This would be a great compromise and they would probably sell a ton of them but Apple will not build anything to compete with their signature IMac desktop.

It is a nice dream though. :)
 

G4er?

macrumors 6502a
Jan 6, 2009
639
30
Temple, TX
Apple needs to sell a Hell app. One that monitors the temperature in hell.
That way everyone will know when hell freezes over.

Then we will know the new mini is coming out.
 

Yvan256

macrumors 603
Jul 5, 2004
5,121
1,087
Canada
First of all, those who want a Mac mini are probably doing so for at least one of two reasons:

- It's the lowest possible price to switch to a Mac. The entry-level Mac mini is less than half the price of the low-end iMac (600$USD vs 1300$USD). Stop adding the cost of an Apple monitor, keyboard and mouse to the setup, you can have all of those for cheap when on sale from a lot of brands. HDMI and USB aren't Apple exclusives. For a lot of people, going with a Mac mini is either from switching from Windows or a Mac mini upgrade. I'm guessing most Mac mini buyers already have everything else.

- users who don't want a built-in display. With Apple, that only gives you two choices: Mac Pro or Mac mini. Since the Mac Pro is totally overkill and/or too expensive for regular users, that leaves the Mac mini as the only choice.

Secondly, I wish people would let go of this idea that a better Mac mini would "eat into Mac Pro or iMac sales". There's the points I just made, but there's also the fact that Apple doesn't care about the Mac mini eating into the sales of Mac Pros and iMacs, as long as the profit is the same because lost Mac mini sales do not guarantee iMac or MacBook sales. If my only choice to replace my 2010 Mac mini was a 1299$USD iMac, I'd have to keep using my Mac mini. The iMac is too expensive and I don't want a built-in display, especially not with the latest models where you can't even upgrade the RAM.

If Apple can't be bothered with the Mac mini, they should make a list of approved OS X motherboards, CPUs and videocards and let people build their own hackintoshes. Everybody would be happy.
 

Micky Do

macrumors 68020
Aug 31, 2012
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3,163
a South Pacific island
ı˜} what's that mean? :)

Nothing deep….. meant to be a wink, but a bit complicated to make with regular and special characters, and some italics.

Thankfully, it is almost Tuesday! May Apple's website go down and then come up with a BRAND NEW MINI for us!

Here it's here
 

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hleewell

macrumors 6502a
Oct 22, 2009
544
62
Close to 1500 posts, and still no cigar??
HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAAHHAAHAHAHHAAHA>...!!!
The kind of blind faith we are giving out
It's just too much, too much
 

yinz

macrumors 6502a
Apr 12, 2012
641
5
This is not about mac mini anymore. It is becoming a matter of identity of apple in the eyes of certain group of customers. I almost lost hope before the nMp and now again. I guess apple will eventually need to decide its identity through its product line. If they kill mini and dont put any alternative i will not look back (unless i win a lottery). If they give us a nMp case and imac internals for a reasonable price i am all in for apple (i will forget mini as fast as possible)

The identity thing makes sense. Apple is definitely struggling with this. Are they a professional-oriented computer company? Are they a consumer-oriented company? Are they a computer-oriented company? Are they a mobile computing company? They don't know.

With recent dip in desktop purchases, it's really hard to judge if they should make a desktop or not...
 

Cape Dave

macrumors 68020
Nov 16, 2012
2,394
1,705
Northeast
The identity thing makes sense. Apple is definitely struggling with this. Are they a professional-oriented computer company? Are they a consumer-oriented company? Are they a computer-oriented company? Are they a mobile computing company? They don't know.

With recent dip in desktop purchases, it's really hard to judge if they should make a desktop or not...

Do not forget that 0% of the small office businesses in my area want a laptop on their employee's desk. There is no way the desktop is dead. It just
gets smaller. Because they do not want to throw out monitors for no reason.
 

scottsjack

macrumors 68000
Aug 25, 2010
1,906
311
Arizona
This is not about mac mini anymore. It is becoming a matter of identity of apple in the eyes of certain group of customers. I almost lost hope before the nMp and now again. I guess apple will eventually need to decide its identity through its product line. If they kill mini and dont put any alternative i will not look back (unless i win a lottery). If they give us a nMp case and imac internals for a reasonable price i am all in for apple (i will forget mini as fast as possible)

I am pretty much in your camp. I like (real) desktop computers. Yes, I know that an iPad is actually a real computer but you know what I mean.

My 2010 Mac Pro, 3.2 quad, SSD boot, 24GB RAM, HD 5870 is running like a champ. There is something about mini though and other than video performance I would just as soon use my 2012 2.3 mini, SSD boot, 16GB RAM.

It is also running W8.1.1. from the slooooow OEM 1TB HDD. I can report that Windows really works great. Some apps like Quicken, Family Tree Maker and Word run especially well under Windows. They work "like they're supposed to work".

If Apple becomes even more of media distribution company that also peddles glued-together desktop computers and ghetto headphones I could easily live in the Windows world again. . . with some regrets, but it can be done. There are some excellent Windows PCs for about the price of a well-outfitted mini.

Still a Haswell mini with TB2 x2 and replaceable RAM and storage would probably replace the good-old Mac Pro.
 

iMacFarlane

macrumors 65816
Apr 5, 2012
1,123
30
Adrift in a sea of possibilities
People continue decrying the end of the desktop era, and that Apple will abandon computing in favor of the lucrative allure of the mobile market.

Thing is, unless Apple cross-platforms Xcode, OS X machines are an absolute must for the iOS ecosystem. No Xcode, no iOS apps. Unless we see Xcode on an iPad. No, no. No thank you.
 

Detrius

macrumors 68000
Sep 10, 2008
1,623
19
Apex, NC
An interesting point of view, which raises more questions.

Mini, iMac, or Pro, which did you see most of?

What was the most common fault?

Do you have any idea of what percentage of all Macs sold came back with issues…. under Apple care and in total?

Saw the most of the iMac between those three. The most common issue varies depending on the model. The early Intel iMacs all eventually have lines in their LCDs. That is, by the time I left, it would be shocking to see one with a working LCD. Every day, we'd swap out multiple HDDs, but I never saw a single bad SSD (I've been out for two years, for reference).

All iMac models had common issues with graphics cards and power supplies failing. Pros had RAM issues. All machines had airport issues.

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Could this be perhaps because people who don't have AppleCare don't bother bringing in their computers into the store after the first year?

Could be, but we saw those, too, especially when it was the hard drive.
 

yinz

macrumors 6502a
Apr 12, 2012
641
5
Do not forget that 0% of the small office businesses in my area want a laptop on their employee's desk. There is no way the desktop is dead. It just
gets smaller. Because they do not want to throw out monitors for no reason.

For those companies, I don't see Mac as an option.
 

shaunp

Cancelled
Nov 5, 2010
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1,395
I just want a powerful compact server machine to run headless... and I don't want to buy 2 year old tech or spend 3k on it.

Depending what you want the server to do, you might want to look at the HP micro server. Good value for money and loads of potential for a home storage device.
 

wlossw

macrumors 65816
May 9, 2012
1,127
1,183
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Depending what you want the server to do, you might want to look at the HP micro server. Good value for money and loads of potential for a home storage device.

I fixed my post to read OSX... :D I already own a dual cpu quad core xeon windows server and core quad with internal raid 5, and I want to move over to OSX completely...
 

shaunp

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Nov 5, 2010
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I fixed my post to read OSX... :D I already own a dual cpu quad core xeon windows server and core quad with internal raid 5, and I want to move over to OSX completely...

Me too. My PC is going in the loft - it's a good games machine so I don't want to ditch it. And my mini is surplus to requirement for now as I've just bought a nMP. Should arrive later in the month.
 

talmy

macrumors 601
Oct 26, 2009
4,727
337
Oregon
I just want a powerful OSX compact server machine to run headless... and I don't want to buy 2 year old tech or spend 3k on it.

I can understand the 3k, but does 2 year old technology really matter? I've got a late 2009 Mac mini server, used as a home server, it loafs basically all the time (it never hits 100% CPU). While a new one with 2 year old technology would seem a lot faster on paper (it benchmarks about 4x faster) that would make no noticeable difference for every service it provides (and it does just about everything but mail).

I'm watching minis closely because if the new Mac mini comes and isn't suitable as a server (or it just costs more) I'll jump on a refurbished current model just to have a 4 year more recently manufactured machine.
 

mneblett

macrumors 6502
Jun 7, 2008
369
0
I can understand the 3k, but does 2 year old technology really matter? ... I'm watching minis closely because if the new Mac mini comes and isn't suitable as a server (or it just costs more) I'll jump on a refurbished current model just to have a 4 year more recently manufactured machine.
Allow me to rephrase for him: 2 year old technology at 2 year old prices. And with 2 year old ports.

I'm doing the same as you -- see what the new Mini looks like, and immediately pull the trigger on a refurb if the new one isn't what I am looking for.
 
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