Kuo is now saying no new mini until 2023…. Damn. I hope this is one of his less accurate predictions!
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The new Mac mini is almost certainly coming
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And to think this thread could at long last retire, lol.
Fixed that for ya!2014 Mini forever!
I bought it just last year (uber cheap). If the timing is true, I guess I will get some decent use out of it. I wonder if it'll get another year of macOS support (besides security updates) past Monterey.
Yeah, I have two 2014 Mini's also. A 2.8ghz i5/8gb that I use as a media server and a base 1.4ghz/4gb sitting in the closet that I really have no use for. But you missed my point. The 2018 Intel Mini is still being sold and (perhaps?) will continue to be until 2023. That would be the longest time on the market for any Mini, and mean support through something like 2028 or 2029.
It's a terrific machine, happily exporting 450,000 map tiles from a 100gb geoTIFF file with Globalmapper in a 32gb Windows 10 VM as I write this in Safari. Don't try that on your 2014 Mini! I really have no need for a Silicon Mac at the present time, the only thing I could use better performance for would be my Windows GIS software, but the VM meets my needs for now and should continue to do so for a few more years.
It's a terrific machine, happily exporting 450,000 map tiles from a 100gb geoTIFF file with Globalmapper in a 32gb Windows 10 VM as I write this in Safari. Don't try that on your 2014 Mini!
I really have no need for a Silicon Mac at the present time, the only thing I could use better performance for would be my Windows GIS software, but the VM meets my needs for now and should continue to do so for a few more years.
Well he also still says an iMac Pro is coming next year, which makes no sense between Mac Studio released this week and a presumed fancier Apple Studio Display Pro coming at WWDC.
Yeah - the $1999 entry Mac Studio is a lure to bring Mac Mini owners who are on the fence over to the other side.
Current Mac Mini is going to rot in the Apple store for quite a while is my guess
Current Mac Mini is going to rot in the Apple store for quite a while is my guess
Yeah, I have two 2014 Mini's also. A 2.8ghz i5/8gb that I use as a media server and a base 1.4ghz/4gb sitting in the closet that I really have no use for. But you missed my point. The 2018 Intel Mini is still being sold and (perhaps?) will continue to be until 2023. That would be the longest time on the market for any Mini, and mean support through something like 2028 or 2029.
It's a terrific machine, happily exporting 450,000 map tiles from a 100gb geoTIFF file with Globalmapper in a 32gb Windows 10 VM as I write this in Safari. Don't try that on your 2014 Mini!
I'm in the same boat. The 2018 mini still accomplishes everything I need it to do, thus I am in no rush to upgrade. Would I like a personal M1 mini, definitely, mainly to play with AS optimized software, but I don't need one. Which I am thankful for, since the current M1 mini is not something I would buy (I want more RAM and GPU cores).
With that said, is the Mac Studio temping, oh heck yeah, but at the moment I should not be spending $3200 on the configuration I would want (M1 Max, 32 core GPU, 64GB of RAM, 2TB SSD) when I have no actual need for it.
There is an $800 price difference between a Mac mini with M1/16GB/512GB/10GbE and the Mac Studio with M1Max/32GB/512GB/10GbE, which is a pretty large gap.
I think Apple could add an M1 Pro and 32GB option to the Mac mini, but honestly I don't see anyone going for that configuration because it would drop the price gap to $200 and even if you didn't need an M1 Max, for $200 you also get more expansion and peripherals, so why wouldn't you just buy a Studio at that point?
But I could see people ordering an M1 Pro and staying at 16GB, which would save you $600 compared to the Studio.
Hopefully that'll help keeping the second-hand prices up, when I'm going to sell mine in a couple of weeks ... :-D
With the Studio missing an M1Pro option as lower-price entry, I get the feeling that the Pro will stay to be reserved for MBP's. The 14" MBP is struggling to cool the Max, so the Pro is a rational option there.
I expect Apple to skip the M1 Pro altogether in the mini and move straight to the M2. Perhaps the M2 will already be "sufficiently close" (however Apple defines this) to the Pro in terms of performance, so Apple could phase out the Pro together with the M1 and reserve production capacities for Max and Ultra.
Assuming, of course, that M2 will come with a node shrink already.
Even if you are optimistic about M2 performance, M1 Pro will still be significantly faster, at least for the 10-core variant. It's for a different market segment. If you were to assume a 15% CPU performance improvement for M2 over M1:
Geekbench 5 multi-core
M1 ~7700
M2 ~8850
M1 Pro (8-core) ~10000
M1 Pro (10-core) ~12550
That means M1 Pro (10-core) is approx. 42% faster than estimated M2. I guess you'd be right about 8-core though, since M1 Pro (8-core) would only be about 13% faster. However, the differences for GPU speed would be even more dramatic.
OTOH, looking at CPU speed alone and ignoring GPU and accelerated video rendering, M1 Pro (10-core) is very similar to M1 Max. I guess it depends on how much Apple is willing to sacrifice in the Mac mini line in order to protect the Mac Studio line.
This is the Mac mini I want.... Someone on reddit said it simply could be they don't have enough M1 Pro chips for another product, given the MBPs are selling like hotcakes still and backordered for a few weeks. Could be something to it.
I agree that if Apple was going to put the M1 Pro in the mini, they'd have already done/announced it. M2 mini w/ 16GB RAM it is for me!
For 90% of casual users (including me), the M2 will be technically be faster given its single core performance will beat the M1 Pro/Max/Ultra chips (even if by just 10%, all else equal). Of course if your workload is multithreaded, the M2 will still get crushed by higher core count CPUs such as the M1 Pro.
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Some friends of mine would like to buy the Mac mini with M1 Ultra and also the MacBook Pro with M1 Ultra and not the slow versions with Pro or Max chip.
They can do so now with the Studio, which is basically a mini on steroids. The small housing of the mini would not be able to allow proper cooling for the Ultra.
Exactly. That's possible now, lmao. And the Ultra in a laptop is a stupid idea, unless you want a 5KG 17in gaming-like laptop that is not portable at all.
It is easily possible when you use a professional cooling paste or pads.
This trick is easily to do and we all know this from the first M1 chip
So you claim that the cheap Mac mini M1 uses a professional cooling paste or pads and that the way more expensive Studio devices have huge fans and even copper heat sinks (M1 Ultra), because those cooling systems are of lower quality? So that Apple can rip off the customers? Or do you suggest that Apple engineers have no idea of their job?It is easily possible when you use a professional cooling paste or pads.
This trick is easily to do and we all know this from the first M1 chip
Of course an M1 Ultra does not have completely different thermal requirements than a barebones M1, right? Maybe you should apply as Apple Engineer to show those guys how to properly cool an M1 Ultra in the tiny mini housing at the cost of the entry level mini. After all, Apple did develop the Studio purely out of greed, not out of technological necessity - correct?
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I think he is guessing here judging by the tone of his post, but it makes sense. As I mentioned earlier, Mac Studio shares part of the form factor, with the same footprint and base design (if you ignore the vent holes). It's just taller with front facing ports.
And I am disappointed. But I will still wait to see what gets released, M1 Pro or M2 or both, and what the ports are.
I wonder if all the CAD files leaked by Prosser and Company about a thinner Mac mini enclosure are for the base M2 model and the current thicker model will be the one that gets M2 Pro.
Prosser didn't leak Apple CAD files. He was guessing and his buddy made some renders based on those guesses.
Anyhow, I wouldn't expect different form factors for the M1/M2 Pro and M2. There isn't really a need. M1 Ultra, yes. M1 Pro, no.
While not to the level of the 2021 MacBook Pro blueprints, there have been leaked schematics of a thinner Mac mini with a different port configuration, two intake vents on the bottom and with the MagSafe connector from the 24" iMac and that is what is being used as the basis for these renders.