Prosser based his guesses on these yes. IIRC though they were not real blueprints. They were effectively sketches, similar to what Apple uses for patent applications.
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The new Mac mini is almost certainly coming
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It is easily possible when you use a professional cooling paste or pads.
This trick is easily to do and we all know this from the first M1 chip
Dumb Apple engineers, designing a new case and cooling system when all they needed to do was slap some Arctic Silver on that bad boy.
There is only about a $200 difference between the current intel mac mini and the mac studio max with 32 gb memory and 1tb storage for each model. That price is so close that I would go for the Studio if purchasing today.
So I'm skeptical that there will be another high end mac mini upgrade.
So I'm skeptical that there will be another high end mac mini upgrade.
I personally don't need 32 GB. A 16 GB M1 Pro Mac mini would be far, far more affordable.
BTW, the Intel Mac mini with 512 GB SSD and 32 GB RAM is only US$1699, so $300 difference from the Mac Studio with 512 GB SSD and 32 GB RAM. Furthermore, for a 16 GB model it is only $1299, so that's a $700 difference. I'm personally looking at this price point, or perhaps a little more, but not over US$1500.
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Of course it depends on your needs. My post was directed toward those needing the specs I mentioned. Also, failed to mention the there are many more ports on the studio.
I would expect the same dimensions, but with some massaging of the design elements to more match the Mac Studio, like the bottom intake venting...?
The Prosser renders are crap, the venting on the bottom is crap, the amount of space between the chassis & desktop is crap...
Too many analysts & YouTubers out there making renders without even really thinking of how stuff actually goes together or functions...!
That's why I'm waiting to see if they release an M1 Pro Mac mini, with more ports than the M1/M2 models. If not, I'll just get the M2 Mac mini.
$1099 - M1 / 16 GB / 512 GB <-- This is all the performance I personally need, but it's kinda lacking in ports.
$1299 - M1 / 16 GB / 1 TB
$1299 - i5 / 16 GB / 512 GB <-- This is the sweet spot for me, because it has lots of ports.
$1499 - i5 / 16 GB / 1 TB <-- If I decide to splurge, although I already have external SSDs.
Put in an M1 Pro with 8-core CPU and 14-core GPU in place of that i5, along with more ports, and I'm sold.
Yeah - The Mac Studio could well lure well heeled wannabes to jump the fence to greater bragging rights.
Professionals now have the choice of Mac Mini or Mac Studio, with a wide range of specs to choose from depending their requirements.
For the average Jill or Joe wanting a Mac on their desk, the Mac Mini remains a budget friendly option.
The new Mac Minis will almost certainly continue to come.
If I'm looking at either a $1299 M1 Mac Mini 16GB/1TB or a $2299 M1 Max Mac Studio 32GB/1TB for Lightroom & Photoshop editing, that's quite a price jump. Am I really getting $1K worth of performance gains?
Yes, there are scores of videos showing the Mini totally failing at image editing and 4K video work....
Oh, wait.
Well the Studio certainly does it (much) better, but again, the Mini's GPU is still surprisingly decent (especially at it's price point).
That $1K isn't just for "performance gains" - it is twice the small DDR5 (for comparison a Dell Memory Upgrade - 32GB - 2RX8 DDR5 UDIMM 4800MHz costs $519.99... which is $119 less than the $400 Apple is charging), two more Thunderbolt 4 ports, two more USB 3 ports, and a 10Gb Ethernet port.
People moan and groan about Apple's prices but when compared to things of similar quality (rather than stuff from Joe's Low Quality Bargain Bin) they make perfect sense.
Up front, I agree with you that Apple's OEM RAM upgrade pricing is not really any worse than what Tier One OEMs like Dell, HPE or Lenovo charge.
That being said, the standard response to this is many non-Enterprise customers will purchase third-party memory at significantly lower prices because they are not under an OEM service contract. And with the Intel desktop Macs, one could choose non-Apple RAM and save significantly.
ports, yep that's obvious and the Studio trounces the Mini there. I did forget about the memory speed advantage of the M1 Max over the M1. that's totally fair.
while the Studio looks great, and while I love ports, this is overkill for many of us. I'd be happy with a Mac Mini with an M1 Max, if thermally they could do it in the Mini package. Apple is hoping we won't care and will just go for the Studio I imagine.
but in my case this is not for 4K video editing, but specifically photos. GPU superiority isn't quite as much of a win there except for some certain functions. while it seems like everyone is these days.... we're not all "YouTuber content creators" and I get tired of every comparison falling back to video editing.
Uh, there were Intel desktop Macs with not upgradable RAM since at least 2013 (my 21.5-inch, Late 2013 has soldered RAM for example). Only the Intel Mini, 27", and the Mac Pro had upgradable RAM in the Mac desktop space.
Well I was being more generalized than specific.
The later 21.5" models went back to upgradeable RAM, though you had to pull the screen off to get to it (same with the iMac Pro).
Would Apple use the old design language for the shiny new MacStudio and 2 months later a new design language for the humble M2 MacMini?
Would Apple use an internal PSU for the power hungry MacStudio and go with an external PSU for the M2 MacMini? (remember, the M1 iMac has got an external PSU only to make it look thinner, but what’s the MacMini excuse?)
Would Apple piss off MacMini colocation farms, MacMini AWS farms, etc. with a new design not compatible with their rack mounting hardware and the hassle of an external power brick for each Mini?
Think about it: would they?
I hope those sketches were just a dead end or preliminary design that went nowhere.
Long live the classic 2010 utilitarian MacMini design with internal PSU, coherent with the design language of its bigger brother MacStudio.
Would Apple use an internal PSU for the power hungry MacStudio and go with an external PSU for the M2 MacMini? (remember, the M1 iMac has got an external PSU only to make it look thinner, but what’s the MacMini excuse?)
Would Apple piss off MacMini colocation farms, MacMini AWS farms, etc. with a new design not compatible with their rack mounting hardware and the hassle of an external power brick for each Mini?
Think about it: would they?
I hope those sketches were just a dead end or preliminary design that went nowhere.
Long live the classic 2010 utilitarian MacMini design with internal PSU, coherent with the design language of its bigger brother MacStudio.
Guess it depends on the individual use case. With a multi-monitor setup and/or certain scaled resolutions and/or working with 3d objects it’s (too) easy to bring the mini’s GPU to a choking point.Yes, there are scores of videos showing the Mini totally failing at image editing and 4K video work....
Oh, wait.
Well the Studio certainly does it (much) better, but again, the Mini's GPU is still surprisingly decent (especially at it's price point).
I remember the discussions about stuttering UI when the mini was introduced - something like that should absolutely not happen with a brand new machine.
If it was to be retired, we can always start a "the new 27" Imac is almost certainly coming" and keep it running for a decade.
While the general trend on this forum seems to lean towards “the Mac Studio is overkill for my needs”, let us not forget that historically, Apple has never made “overkill” computers. (And never will).
While the Mac Studio may seem over qualified for today’s OS and software, you can take it to the bank that the next versions of Mac OS are going to require a machine like the Studio to run optimally.
Mac OS Monterey may be the last of its kind. My guess is that Apple will be bringing out the big guns in future OS releases that will NEED a studio to run smoothly.
While the Mac Studio may seem over qualified for today’s OS and software, you can take it to the bank that the next versions of Mac OS are going to require a machine like the Studio to run optimally.
Mac OS Monterey may be the last of its kind. My guess is that Apple will be bringing out the big guns in future OS releases that will NEED a studio to run smoothly.
Well Apple charges you $400 for 16GB since it is an upgrade to the existing 16GB in the machine. This is $520 for 32GB, if your computer came with 16GB you'd either be free to sell that or if you had empty RAM slots you could get 48GB. So Dell is giving you the better deal (and allowing you the option to buy 3rd party RAM for cheaper)
Also DDR5 ≠ LPDDR5, so it's a bit hard to have an apples to apples comparison.
So, when is the next Mac mini coming? I don't think we'll see a Mac mini at WWDC. Mac Pro maybe, but probably not Mac mini. I'm hoping for late summer, before the Back-To-School promotion ends, but I have a feeling it will be October after the end of the promotion, or worse yet, spring 2023 (as Kuo seems to suggest these days).
Maybe both will be true: Mac mini M1 Pro in fall 2022, and Mac mini M2 in spring 2023.
Maybe both will be true: Mac mini M1 Pro in fall 2022, and Mac mini M2 in spring 2023.
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The new Mac Mini is almost certainly coming.