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The new Mac mini is almost certainly coming

farciar said:
The jack output is not supposed to be connected to the amplifier/speakers.
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Uh, wut?!?

One might think you were joking, but unfortunately I believe you’re actually serious.

Even in an amateur-audiophile setup, not to mention the STUDIO. Better use Bluetooth and best, some digital output.

The analog, jack output is for a good audiophile headphone, especially now when they advertised high-impedance DAC/amplifier built-in in the STUDIO.
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I already said previously that for a professional studio setup, many people would prefer to use their professional external DACs, which are superior to the one in Mac Studio.

As for me, I am not trying to have an “amateur-audiophile” setup from my desktop computer. I use my amplifier with bookshelf speakers to listen to YouTube videos and the news etc. when I work, and for FaceTime.

BTW, my amplifier is a small desktop analogue 2-channel amp. It fits underneath my monitor and only has an on/off switch and volume knob. No digital input at all… because it’s simply not necessary, and I don’t want some bulky digital enabled receiver etc. on my desk.
 
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ProgRocker said:
Interesting how all the rumors and leakers were so wrong. What happened to the smaller chassis with a "plexiglass-like" top ?
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Just like with the Air, the current models are using the old case design. We expect to see a new design for the Airs later in the year. Perhaps we’ll see a new design for the Mini as well. It may be a minor change or it could go more compact. Check back later.
 
Yes, an M1 Pro Mac mini seems unlikely at this point, considering how late in the replacement cycle for the Mac mini we are.

At the moment, I could see Apple feeling the Mac Studio replaces both the Space Black Mac mini and the iMac 5K and therefore not bothering to offer M2 Pro in either the Mini or the 24" iMac refreshes. Time (and sales) will decide whether or not they stick with that plan or do decide to offer a Pro SoC BTO option.

We also have Ming-chi Kuo tweeting that with China in a new lockdown, the supply chains are being hammered and Apple is being impacted by them. As such, he feels the 2022 MacBook Air will keep M1 and M2 will be limited (by lack of supply) to the 2022 Mac mini (Macmini10,1) and maybe the 2022 13.3" MacBook Pro.
 
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Come on Apple....we need a new Mac Mini we can put 32GB of RAM in......not the M1 with a max of 16GB.....my 2012 Mac Mini has a max of 16GB....come on, man!!!!
 
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Boil said:
Apple does not offer the M1 Pro SoC in anything but the 2021 14" & 16" MacBook Pro laptops...
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I think they meant "Pro" in the literal sense not Apple's marketing sense and given the M1 Ultra's RAM range if you are looking at 32 GB RAM you are looking at a relatively high end machine. Makes you wonder what the M (whatever) Mac Pro is going to be like.
 
JahBoolean said:
Thanks @Maximara for having my back, let's not get hung up on wording and aknowledge that perfect product delineation offered by Ram will most certainly lead to base Mn chips to be pegged to 16Gib of ram.

I would love to be shown wrong.
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Based on the current batch of M1 there appears to be a physical limit to the RAM each "level" supports:
*Mx - 16 GB RAM limit
*Mx Pro - 32 GB RAM limit
*Mx Max - 64 GB RAM limit
*Mx Ultra - 128 GB RAM limit

If Apple has anything above Ultra planned it is likely going to max out at 216 GB.

Edit: had a minor math brain fart. Should be 256 GB of RAM.
 
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JahBoolean said:
If you're qualified enough to care about 32Gigs of ram, the "pro" Chip inside of the studio package is yours to buy ;).
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I disagree, when the MBP has the option for 32Gb of ram. At least give people the option to have 32 Gb on M1 Mini. And the old Intel mini can go up to 64 Gb. I know its probably a limitation of the SoC, but a lot of people are memory constrained which hampers their m1 experience.

Basically what happened is that people with 32Gb and 64Gb RAM and maybe even an eGPU with its own vram were being told "8GB and 16GB of M1 memory is absolutely fine because Apple wouldn't offer an inferior solution...and yet here we are. Its fantastic if your workload fits into the limited RAM. But Apple can't magic its way out of needing more memory. The increase bandwidth on the SoC means fantastically faster swiping to the disk.
 
killawat said:
I disagree, when the MBP has the option for 32Gb of ram. At least give people the option to have 32 Gb on M1 Mini. And the old Intel mini can go up to 64 Gb. I know its probably a limitation of the SoC, but a lot of people are memory constrained which hampers their m1 experience.
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Does the MBA have an option for 32, it is somewhat fallacious to compare the mini with the mbp when apple harmonized the mini with the air and ipad this cycle.

Again, not a fan of the idea, but I get the distinct feeling that this demarcation is intentionnal in order to upsell the more demanding consumer.
 
JahBoolean said:
Does the MBA have an option for 32,
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No. But the Intel Mac mini did.

In fact it seems like every Mac kept the same amount of RAM or higher except the Mac mini which tops out at 4x less for some reason. I just realized that. And its why I won't be buying the M1 version. I edited my previous post but I'll repost here.

Basically what happened is that people with 32Gb and 64Gb RAM and maybe even an eGPU with its own vram @ 8GB and 16GB were being told "8GB and 16GB of M1 memory is absolutely fine because Apple wouldn't offer an inferior solution"...and yet here we are. Its fantastic if your workload fits into the limited RAM. But Apple can't magic its way out of needing more memory. The increase bandwidth on the SoC means fantastically faster swapping to the disk.
 
killawat said:
No. But the Intel Mac mini did.

In fact it seems like every Mac kept the same amount of RAM or higher except the Mac mini which tops out at 4x less for some reason. I just realized that. And its why I won't be buying the M1 version. I edited my previous post but I'll repost here.

Basically what happened is that people with 32Gb and 64Gb RAM and maybe even an eGPU with its own vram @ 8GB and 16GB were being told "8GB and 16GB of M1 memory is absolutely fine because Apple wouldn't offer an inferior solution"...and yet here we are. Its fantastic if your workload fits into the limited RAM. But Apple can't magic its way out of needing more memory. The increase bandwidth on the SoC means fantastically faster swapping to the disk.
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And you did not need to buy a MBP to have more than one external monitors (officially supported) with intel MBA's. Apple Silicon changed the power dynamic bigtime.

If you didn't get it, my comment ascribing people to purchase the studio when needing more ram was deeply cynical. If pegging some of the functionality might cause a sizeable amount of people to invest into a machine with a 700$ price difference, as an executive I'd be overjoyed. Consumers always get the short end of the stick.
Moreso now that Apple can custom tailor the whole stack to make the lineup coherent.

Back to my initial comment, "If you're qualified enough to care about 32Gigs of ram, the "pro" Chip inside of the studio package is yours to buy ;)."
 
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Based on the current batch of M1 there appears to be a physical limit to the RAM each "level" supports:
*Mx - 16 GB RAM limit
*Mx Pro - 32 GB RAM limit
*Mx Max - 64 GB RAM limit
*Mx Ultra - 128 GB RAM limit
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Yes, by design, it's likely a hardware limitation... for M1 series.

However, things may change with M2. I would not at all be surprised if M2 supported up to 32 GB. Furthermore, if M2 got 32 GB, it could mean that the rest of them might double too, to 32/64/128/256 GB.


Maximara said:
If Apple has anything above Ultra planned it is likely going to max out at 216 GB.
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You mean 256 GB, but that is likely incorrect, because the Mac Pro SoC architecture will likely be quite different. Apple itself already said as much. The said right in their event that M1 Ultra is the last M1 series chip. Technical experts believe for technical reasons Apple will not do 2 x M1 Ultra due to design limitations in the architecture and in the OS. It's theoretically possible to do 2 x M1 Ultra but it would be a poor kludge that would seriously affect performance, so it is more than likely it will be a completely different beast, which is right in line with what Apple said about the M1 series.

I wouldn't be surprised if the 2022 Mac Pro supports up to 1 TB of RAM. Also, the SoC may not even have an Mx name.
 
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