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The US Dollar is very strong against most currencies which makes exports more expensive. While (almost all) Apple products are not manufactured in and then exported from the US, I expect Apple pegs foreign currency pricing against the US Dollar so they have been raising prices in non-US markets as those currencies weaken against the USD.
Exactly this, the dollar price is the basis of Apple’s pricing structure. A strong dollar means Apple products rise in price in overseas markets. How else would Luca Maestri explain why the European divisions are bringing in less revenue (in dollars) just because exchange rates have a meltdown? There have been periods in history where the pound was getting close to $2 and uk mac prices were good but should have been better thats for another post - discuss UK and ‘treasure island’ economy.

Which is my point regarding the "They then release the M2 Mini which doesn't get a dollar price increase in the USA but DOES get a price increase in Europe." claim. VAT is part of the price in Europe while in the USA what the total is depends on where you are as there is no uniformity in Internet Sales Tax regarding percentage or even if it exists.
And this is, with respect, nonsense.

Why are you quibbling over VAT when the points being made are about foreign exchange rates and their effect on the retail prices in overseas markets as set by Apple? Regardless of whether VAT is added or not if US Apple in-store prices don’t change and UK Apple store prices go up £100 (see M2 MacBook Pro) then Apple have raised the prices in the UK. It has nothing to do with VAT unless the uk government decides to change the rate of VAT to try and stimulate growth.

the point of the Euro currency is to have greater price transparency across the EU, Apple set the selling price and in the EU that has to include VAT, so each member state sells for a slightly different price plus local VAT to achieve the ticket price. US prices are bizarre to most Europeans because the price you pay isn’t the ticket price because sales tax is usually added. But as you’ll see most of us aren’t whining about that, we roll with it for the purpose of discussion.

unless I’m out of date I could fly to New Hampshire or one of the other zero sales tax states, or get a sweet deal from B&H photo in NYC but that’s got nothing to do with the price in a European Apple store, there’s nowhere in Europe like New Hampshire (there’s a meme right there!).

my forecast stands, when Apple recalculate retail prices sometime in September, October or November with new product launches as they traditionally do, they will have to increase prices in Europe. Part of this is down to material, energy and labour supply and costs in part pandemic and war driven - look at price of oil etc. but foreign exchange is massive factor too.

It looks like Apple are going to try and hide this behind spec bumps (iPhone 14 pro to have 256gb base sku for example, and that’s allegedly going to have a US price increase which guarantees a European price rise). They haven’t done a base storage bump in a while so it’s now a good time for them to make tweaks to base spec (and about time!).

but we have already had a price bump in Europe for the m2 MacBook Air - a stone cold fact - and it’s easy to see that prices increased MORE than the US dollar price increase percentage for the new Air.

and you therefore have to look again at the European prices for the MacBook Pro 13, thats purely down to FX rate. If Apple can keep the US price the same but increase the EU and uk price there’s nothing else to pin it on.

How does that affect the iPhone 14 non pro? Well, we can be fairly sure it’s going to come with a retread of the A15 cpu, possibly the version that originally went in the 13 pro with an extra GPU core. But will they increase the price on that?

in US dollar terms maybe not, in Europe? I think they might. if they do that, it will be partly down to foreign exchange calculations by Apple Just as they did in 2016 when they hiked the UK prices up by 20% purely due to brexit collapsing the value of the pound.

as for the obligatory Mac mini mention? I still think if Apple bring out the M2 mini it will have a higher starting spec and in Europe that will hide the price increase. And like the Air and now likely the iphone 14 non pro, they keep older kit around at the lower price.

so why wouldn’t there be a 8/256 M1 sku left over from the previous generation At the old price? i Think increasingly that’s how Apple will roll for the next 6 months at least.

that‘s why I think the next 2 mini SKUs up could be M2 (8/512 and 16/512) and they use the 10 core GPU variant (like in the MacBook Pro) and hide the price increase in there.

any folks wanting 24gb ram or more GPU cores than M1 will be buying the BTO upper sku M2 minis in my opinion, and that will raise the average selling price. More so for the poor souls who really wanted 3 thunderbolt ports or more than 2 monitors, they’ll have to find $2k for a Mac studio.
 
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We went to Italy a few months ago. Very good meal, with appetizers, entrees, and desserts, plus a bottle of decent wine, came to 50-60 Euros. In Florence. I think the exchange rate was $1.05 to a Euro. No tip, because Europe.

in Seattle (city proper), that would easily be a three figure meal with tip.

(Note to self… need to go back to Italy.)
 
Hi,

i work in an Apple Reseller and like many of you i'm waiting for the mini 2013 refresh.

From monday the two major Apple suppliers in Italy are suddenly and completely out of stock of minis. I know that this happen from time to time, but the timing is no coincidence.

Trust me, a new mini is coming next week, or at least we have solid evidence to believe it.

We went to Italy a few months ago. Very good meal, with appetizers, entrees, and desserts, plus a bottle of decent wine, came to 50-60 Euros. In Florence. I think the exchange rate was $1.05 to a Euro. No tip, because Europe.

in Seattle (city proper), that would easily be a three figure meal with tip.

(Note to self… need to go back to Italy.)
This thread originated in Italy!
 
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We went to Italy a few months ago. Very good meal, with appetizers, entrees, and desserts, plus a bottle of decent wine, came to 50-60 Euros. In Florence. I think the exchange rate was $1.05 to a Euro. No tip, because Europe.

in Seattle (city proper), that would easily be a three figure meal with tip.

(Note to self… need to go back to Italy.)
I think a tip would have gone down nicely unless included as a service charge. It astounds me just how much of a percentage US tips are supposed to be.
 
I think a tip would have gone down nicely unless included as a service charge. It astounds me just how much of a percentage US tips are supposed to be.

I was in Washington DC a couple of weeks ago and all the restaurants I visited had a 22% service charge in lieu of tips and the charge was distributed amongst the staff (waitstaff, cooks, bussers, etc.).
 
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I think a tip would have gone down nicely unless included as a service charge. It astounds me just how much of a percentage US tips are supposed to be.

I was in Washington DC a couple of weeks ago and all the restaurants I visited had a 22% service charge in lieu of tips and the charge was distributed amongst the staff (waitstaff, cooks, bussers, etc.).

As a general rule in the US (PNW), I now do 25-30%.
Yeah, yeah...... tipping etiquette in the US is all fine and dandy, but GabrielR's point is that the new Mac Mini is almost certainly coming.
 
In a newly minted thread @Amethyst mentions after a tip-off* that the M2 mini will be a straight SoC replacement in the case design we all know and love.

So I’m just putting that mention here in expectation of bringing the discussion back on topic 😀

* yes sailing close to the wind 😂
 
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Sounds reasonable to me. I just really don't see where an M2 Pro Mac mini fits into the model lineup with the Studio priced the way it is (and yes, I understand all the arguments for and against).
 
Sounds reasonable to me. I just really don't see where an M2 Pro Mac mini fits into the model lineup with the Studio priced the way it is (and yes, I understand all the arguments for and against).
I think the whole argument gets put to bed the minute some specific situational benchmarks come out comparing full fat M2 4+4/10 GPU with the binned M1 Pro - 6+2/14 GPU.

In basic terms the A15 based M2 will have slightly faster single core, slightly slower multi core, faster Neural engine, half the memory bandwidth, up to 24Gb RAM vs 32Gb RAM if you stick with the A14 based M1 Pro.

Notably the M2 has basically the same ProRes and h.264/HEVC encoders as the M1 Pro (with added 8k on the latter 2!).
 
In a newly minted thread @Amethyst mentions after a tip-off* that the M2 mini will be a straight SoC replacement in the case design we all know and love.

So I’m just putting that mention here in expectation of bringing the discussion back on topic 😀

* yes sailing close to the wind 😂
For me, the issue of M2 vs M1 max is less important than when.

I have a 2015 iMac that I want to replace with a Mini (and ultra wide monitor), but; I DO NOT WANT TO PAY 2022 prices on 2020 tech.
 
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I’d buy a new Mac Mini in a heartbeat if it had at least 24GB of ram, and preferably 32. I need a bit more than 16 in order to reserve enough for the Windows VM, based on my usage on a 16gb M1 MBA.

The Studio is overkill for my needs.
 
I’d buy a new Mac Mini in a heartbeat if it had at least 24GB of ram, and preferably 32. I need a bit more than 16 in order to reserve enough for the Windows VM, based on my usage on a 16gb M1 MBA.

The Studio is overkill for my needs.
The Studio is also overkill for me. An M2 Pro would be perfect, but despite the rumours, I don't want to get my hopes up until Apple announce it. And even then, I am not convinced it will be out this year. Fingers crossed.
 
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The Studio is also overkill for me. An M2 Pro would be perfect, but despite the rumours, I don't want to get my hopes up until Apple announce it. And even then, I am not convinced it will be out this year. Fingers crossed.
Same, but I suspect I will be buying the base Studio because now updated Mini will be available when I purchase in fall.
 
Sounds reasonable to me. I just really don't see where an M2 Pro Mac mini fits into the model lineup with the Studio priced the way it is (and yes, I understand all the arguments for and against).
Totally agree with you, even if I would love a Mac mini pro with at least 32Go ram :)
But I think you're right : A pro Mac mini in term of price and performance doesn't fit anywhere in apple lineup and would be too ``near``of the Mac studio base model.

Let's wait for October/novembre or begin of 2023 to see what apple unveil
 
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For me, the issue of M2 vs M1 max is less important than when.

I have a 2015 iMac that I want to replace with a Mini (and ultra wide monitor), but; I DO NOT WANT TO PAY 2022 prices on 2020 tech.
What "2022 prices"? IIRC Mac prices, at least in the US, have remained flat while inflation has been doing its thing. The base mini was $699 in 2020 which mean its (July) "2022 price" would be $795.08 thanks to inflation. :p
 
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I presume they are referring to Apple's policy of not reducing the price of products over their active sales life - as you noted, the M1 Mac mini is still $699 and not, say, $599 two years on...

If you do not want to pay retail from Apple, there are usually sales on new product from third-party sellers like Amazon and B&H (amongst others) as well as the Apple Refurbished Store.
 
For me, the issue of M2 vs M1 max is less important than when.

I have a 2015 iMac that I want to replace with a Mini (and ultra wide monitor), but; I DO NOT WANT TO PAY 2022 prices on 2020 tech.
You can find good prices on both ebay and amazon for refurbished items. I'm running a 2013 mac pro and will keep it until Apple releases exactly what I want.
 
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Totally agree with you, even if I would love a Mac mini pro with at least 32Go ram :)
But I think you're right : A pro Mac mini in term of price and performance doesn't fit anywhere in apple lineup and would be too ``near``of the Mac studio base model.

Let's wait for October/novembre or begin of 2023 to see what apple unveil
If by April next year they do only release an M2 version of the mini, I'm not sure what I'd do. The base M2 model lacks ports and I'd benefit from slightly more oomph, but the base studio is just overkill. I guess I could hope for the base studio to be on sale by then....
 
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If by April next year they do only release an M2 version of the mini, I'm not sure what I'd do. The base M2 model lacks ports and I'd benefit from slightly more oomph, but the base studio is just overkill. I guess I could hope for the base studio to be on sale by then....

I'm considering adding a second mini. It would give me 4 monitors, 32 GB RAM and an odd amount of storage.
 
As macOS is my "evening and weekend" OS (I need Windows for my 'day job'), when it comes time to retire my 2020 iMac 5K, it will likely be an M2/M3 mini with 24/32GB of RAM and 512GB of SSD that replaces it since I will be buying a powerful Windows gaming workstation as my main machine.
 
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I see Micro Center is back down to $549 for the base model and $859 for the 16 GB model. They are great place to pick up Apple products they are always discounted in someway.
 
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