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EugW

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Brilliant! I've been waiting for a new Mac mini with a DVI connection for ages.
Funny you should mention that. My primary Mac mini monitor is a 30" Cinema HD Display, which uses dual-link DVI. I'm typing on this setup right now, in macOS Monterey. :cool: A DL-DVI M2 Mac mini would be great! :D
 

pshufd

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The fan would likely be always on for the M2 Mac mini as well. (It is for the M1.) However, it's not audible unless you're really, really close to it.

BTW, the M1 Mac mini has been plagued by monitor compatibility issues. Here's hoping they're solved in version 2.0.

I think that the issues are more to do with Monterey than hardware.
 

gusping

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I think that the issues are more to do with Monterey than hardware.
Mac OS* I have had near non-stop issues with my 2018 mini and monitors since the day i bought it. I think Appple has forgotten how to make software for desktop computers 😂
 

pshufd

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The same monitors work fine with Intel Mac minis, at least for some people, @gusping's experience notwithstanding.

I moved a Dell 4k 27 from the mini to a Plugable DisplayLink adapter and the regular drivers didn't support a lot of resolutions but the beta drivers do. So DisplayLink beta drviers get the job done because Monterey (and Big Sur) don't. I get the high resolution from the USB-C port on my M1 mini but not on the HDMI port. My guess is that the HDMI report doesn't support the high resolutions that the USB-C port does.
 

gusping

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I moved a Dell 4k 27 from the mini to a Plugable DisplayLink adapter and the regular drivers didn't support a lot of resolutions but the beta drivers do. So DisplayLink beta drviers get the job done because Monterey (and Big Sur) don't. I get the high resolution from the USB-C port on my M1 mini but not on the HDMI port. My guess is that the HDMI report doesn't support the high resolutions that the USB-C port does.
Mac OS Monterey killed my HDMI port once and for all. It was always finicky since I bought the mini back in 2018, but when I finally thought it was safe to update (after Apple and other said they fixed the issue), it died. Thankfully, I can use USB-C (but that has other issues).

On top of that, my open applications frequently switch monitor when waking from sleep, which is perhaps my biggest bug bear with Mac OS, and a key driver for me considering switching to Windows.....along with the price of maintaining just one computer. I know the Mac Studio also suffers from the applications switching monitor issue, so it's clearly an inherent flaw on Mac OS. Some seem to suffer more than others. It's all very odd. Anyway.... I'd still buy a new M2 Pro mini if it was released tomorrow ;)
 
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I haven't yet owned a Mac Mini but these days it's looking like the next Mac for me. I have two ageing MacBook Air machines that are fine for now so I'm in no rush. I was really impressed by the Mac Studio upon release but when I calmed down and compared machines, I acknowledged that most of the Studio's attributes would be wasted on me and my usage. Factoring in the cost of the Studio's 32GB RAM, stock 512GB storage, hefty CPU and GPU difference, and additional ports etc, a more realistic (and affordable), streamlined Mac Studio option ended up, of course, being the Mac Mini. I could even get away with 'just' 256GB storage on the Mini, but with 16GB memory for peace of mind. (More ports would be nice but not essential.)

I have to say that these days I seem to find something unsatisfactory with most Macs when I browse to see what's available. I don't like the notch on the laptops and I'm not wowed by the M2 MacBook Air design generally, nor by the M1 iMac's. The Mac Studio doesn't really fit for me and I was disappointed to learn that the fan was always on. Recent years have spoiled me for silent computing and I wouldn't want to return to any sort of noise while I work. Even the Mac Mini seemed to have its issues with Bluetooth and wifi, while my daily thirteen-inch MacBook Air has suffered from intermittent wake/sleep problems verging on the mildly irritating.

I'd like to return to 'it just works', and hopefully a tweaked Mac Mini will fit that bill sufficiently.

See, and my idea on buying computers is 'Buy the most that you can somewhat realistically afford'. The adage 'Go big or go home' is the only thing I can say about 'today's computer equipment' as so many (too many?) vendors have followed Apple's lead in making their systems a completely closed box, that I really feel that people need to figure out what they can afford, and for the life of the purchase, is there any chance that you might outgrow it. I've heard so many people that have bought 'cheap', and changed jobs and had to trash it (donate to the kiddos?) and buy bigger.

So, if I had a way to afford the Studio, I'd grab it. You never know what the future holds. Well, hopefully it's positive. Who knows what's going to happen the rest of the year, and next 2 years. Could be up, down, sideways, upside down.
 

EugW

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See, and my idea on buying computers is 'Buy the most that you can somewhat realistically afford'. The adage 'Go big or go home' is the only thing I can say about 'today's computer equipment' as so many (too many?) vendors have followed Apple's lead in making their systems a completely closed box, that I really feel that people need to figure out what they can afford, and for the life of the purchase, is there any chance that you might outgrow it. I've heard so many people that have bought 'cheap', and changed jobs and had to trash it (donate to the kiddos?) and buy bigger.

So, if I had a way to afford the Studio, I'd grab it. You never know what the future holds. Well, hopefully it's positive. Who knows what's going to happen the rest of the year, and next 2 years. Could be up, down, sideways, upside down.
Nah, for those of us coming from Intel boxes, and who figure they don't need the Studio's pro features, getting that might simply be a big waste of money even if it is within our means.

Even an M1 is already twice as fast as the fastest computer in my house. In my case, "future proofing" really means getting sufficient memory, and maybe ports. Storage can be extended with external drives if necessary, and even ports can be increased with hubs in a pinch.

BTW, in 2017 I got a MacBook with 16 GB for future proofing reasons. Really I needed 8 GB the vast majority of my mobile work, and only only very occasionally benefited from more than 8 GB (since I had a 24 GB iMac at home anyway), but I figured I'd keep it a long time so I got 16 GB. Then I changed jobs... and now I don't need the MacBook at all anymore. For traveling I just use a 4 GB iPad Pro for now, and my next "laptop" purchase will likely be an iPad Pro/Air with OLED and Magic Keyboard in 2024.

I won't sell the MacBook because it's my favorite form factor (despite the mediocre keyboard and trackpad, and single USB port), and I generally dislike selling on Kijiji, but I may give it to my kid when he's old enough to take proper care of it.
 

pshufd

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See, and my idea on buying computers is 'Buy the most that you can somewhat realistically afford'. The adage 'Go big or go home' is the only thing I can say about 'today's computer equipment' as so many (too many?) vendors have followed Apple's lead in making their systems a completely closed box, that I really feel that people need to figure out what they can afford, and for the life of the purchase, is there any chance that you might outgrow it. I've heard so many people that have bought 'cheap', and changed jobs and had to trash it (donate to the kiddos?) and buy bigger.

So, if I had a way to afford the Studio, I'd grab it. You never know what the future holds. Well, hopefully it's positive. Who knows what's going to happen the rest of the year, and next 2 years. Could be up, down, sideways, upside down.

A way to get around fixed computers is to combine them together with the idea of partitioning your workload in mind when you start buying hardware.

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EugW

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Because it's a Tuesday, and macOS Ventura is supposed to drop the same week...?
Ah I see.

However, iPadOS 16.1 drops October 24 too and the iPads are already out. Anyhow, fingers crossed.
 
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PinkyMacGodess

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Nah, for those of us coming from Intel boxes, and who figure they don't need the Studio's pro features, getting that might simply be a big waste of money even if it is within our means.

Even an M1 is already twice as fast as the fastest computer in my house. In my case, "future proofing" really means getting sufficient memory, and maybe ports. Storage can be extended with external drives if necessary, and even ports can be increased with hubs in a pinch.

BTW, in 2017 I got a MacBook with 16 GB for future proofing reasons. Really I needed 8 GB the vast majority of my mobile work, and only only very occasionally benefited from more than 8 GB (since I had a 24 GB iMac at home anyway), but I figured I'd keep it a long time so I got 16 GB. Then I changed jobs... and now I don't need the MacBook at all anymore. For traveling I just use a 4 GB iPad Pro for now, and my next "laptop" purchase will likely be an iPad Pro/Air with OLED and Magic Keyboard in 2024.

I won't sell the MacBook because it's my favorite form factor (despite the mediocre keyboard and trackpad, and single USB port), and I generally dislike selling on Kijiji, but I may give it to my kid when he's old enough to take proper care of it.

IF a system has the capability for adding (or subtracting) memory or storage, you can buy what you want. I mean, you can add memory, you can replace storage for something larger (who goes smaller) and be on your way. Apple is trying to shake the tree for money and essentially either screw people who buy too small (more likely), or maybe make people embarrassed for 'buying big' and regretting it. (OH I FEEL REGRET for buying the 12" iPad Pro)

So Apple, and now so many other vendors are making their computers a sealed box and are really doing their customers a HUGE MASSIVE disservice. Sure, it saves them the problem of 'user misinstalled parts', but for most people (maybe) that can pull it off they can EXTEND the life of their tech. Sure, replacing processors are really hard/impossible, but memory and drive space DOES allow for a little more life. Heck, I can replace memory and drives IF the vendor allows it. I could rant more, but so many others could do it better.

Closed box means buy big, and dangit, Apple KNOWS IT! They win for people that buy big, and don't need it. Apple wins when people buy small and then the customer has to buy larger, but would someone burned for that really buy another Apple notebook? (Yeah, probably, and Apple knows that too)

So buy big, but if you don't need a Mac Pro, then maybe don't go that big?

There was an attorney that had an object on his wall. He owned a rare road racing bicycle that cost somewhere north of $20,000. THAT is obscene and nasty. That bike demands to be ridden like it was stolen, and it's collecting dust on his wall. *shrug*
 

Miat

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Apple will do what Apple will do.

What the rest of us should do in the meantime is figure out how much we can realistically afford to pay, before the new models are released and we get buried in a blizzard of spec details and pretty pictures, and suckered into paying more by Apple's fiendish pricing scheme.
 

EugW

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So buy big, but if you don't need a Mac Pro, then maybe don't go that big?
That's just it. To "go big" for some of us means M2 or M2 Pro with 24 GB RAM. If I were just to get what I *need*, I'd get a discounted M1 with 16 GB RAM. Mac Studio is already way overkill, and Mac Pro is totally ridiculous.
 

PinkyMacGodess

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Why specifically October 25? Was there a rumour post somewhere, or is it just because it's a Tuesday?

Are you buying into L0vetodream's cryptic Mac mini tweet from today that @gusping linked?


DVI?

I thought we killed and buried that connector like (many) YEARS ago. It's back? (PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE I hope NO ONE brings back wide wale corduroys. NO ONE looked good in those things. They could almost make an anorexic's butt look huge. Oh, and 'high heels' for men? Don't bring that back either)
 

pshufd

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I have an M1 mini and sometimes think about adding a second M1 mini (used for cheap). Buying a Studio would be cleaner though I just prefer minis to Studios because of the height. This approach
That's just it. To "go big" for some of us means M2 or M2 Pro with 24 GB RAM. If I were just to get what I *need*, I'd get a discounted M1 with 16 GB RAM. Mac Studio is already way overkill, and Mac Pro is totally ridiculous.

The MacBook Studio is almost certainly coming.
 
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pshufd

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DVI?

I thought we killed and buried that connector like (many) YEARS ago. It's back? (PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE I hope NO ONE brings back wide wale corduroys. NO ONE looked good in those things. They could almost make an anorexic's butt look huge. Oh, and 'high heels' for men? Don't bring that back either)

I have maybe two VGA cables and a number of DVI cables in my electronics boxes. Some adapters too. I fix systems for friends, relatives and neighbors and sometimes I run into old equipment and it's nice to have the cables to test or donate. At some point, though, I'll toss the VGA cables and then at some later point, most of the DVI cables. I still need at least one of them for my PowerMac G5.
 

PinkyMacGodess

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I have maybe two VGA cables and a number of DVI cables in my electronics boxes. Some adapters too. I fix systems for friends, relatives and neighbors and sometimes I run into old equipment and it's nice to have the cables to test or donate. At some point, though, I'll toss the VGA cables and then at some later point, most of the DVI cables. I still need at least one of them for my PowerMac G5.

I ran into a Sun system (possibly an HP engineering system) that had a DVI looking connector, that had what looked like 3 BNC type connectors embedded in it. I just gave up at that point. I don't have that cable, and don't know what to ask for to get one. Wow...

I finally tossed all of my AUI, DECNET, and those big and ugly Cisco cables. I even had some twin-ax connectors. (ICK!!)

And seemed to have way to many DVI variants. Just too many. And dongles and yeah... *GONE*
 
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