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I'm only interested in it for as an iTunes server.

I just bought the current base model mini for an iTunes server and it is fantastic. Really, I don't know why you would need a new model for this. The only thing I was hoping for was a lower price. I can't imagine that a SSD or more than 4gb of RAM would make any difference if this is all you're using it for.

I also have a 2013 MBA i7/8gb/512gb and that is a really fast little machine, the SSD is terrific there. But for a box that's just going to sit and run iTunes, it seems like it would be a waste. My library is on fast external USB drives.
 
I just bought the current base model mini for an iTunes server and it is fantastic. Really, I don't know why you would need a new model for this. The only thing I was hoping for was a lower price. I can't imagine that a SSD or more than 4gb of RAM would make any difference if this is all you're using it for.

I also have a 2013 MBA i7/8gb/512gb and that is a really fast little machine, the SSD is terrific there. But for a box that's just going to sit and run iTunes, it seems like it would be a waste. My library is on fast external USB drives.

Thanks for your prompt honest answer . I would most likely use it only for iTunes and maybe Sibelius at a push. So I could easily get the basic model and maybe just change the RAM and HDD myself straight away. Since I already have a spare 8GB RAM, Keyboard and Trackpad. Yes my library is on one of my WD drives.
 
Is the next MacMini going to be upgradeable ? i.e.. changing memory modules and swapping out the Hdd.

Just curious, how do you suppose anyone here is going to know the answer to any degree of certainty? You've looked at the Buyer's Guide above and seen the "recent rumors" for the mini, right?
 
You completely disagree, but you also seem to have completely missed my point; I'm not saying that SSD's can't be a benefit, what I'm saying is that the benefit to entry level users isn't strong enough compared to the extra cost or the sacrifice on capacity; users who are aware of the advantages can easily pay the extra cost to get the improved speed, and I expect the majority of users here are aware of the differences, so can and will make that decision when they purchase their Macs.

But for the user who just wants a computer to get online, do some light office work, get content on their iOS device (maybe use the new Continuity features of Yosemite) etc., the speed advantages of the SSD are going to be largely invisible to them as OS X does a pretty good job of preloading apps, and with 8gb of RAM that will do as good a job of accelerating the system as the SSD does.

I mean, even a relatively slow 5400rpm laptop drive still has an average seek time of 15ms, and a sustained read speed of 150mb/sec. While an SSD's "seek" time is largely non-existent and typical speeds are up to 500mb/sec, you'll only notice the difference if you're loading huge files that need that kind of sustained speed, or your drive has a lot of random reading/writing of small files going on. But like I say, a system with plenty of RAM shouldn't be doing a lot of random reading and writing, so the performance of a 5400rpm drive is still plenty for the kind of users that an entry level Mac Mini or iMac is intended for.

Besides which, there's just no point in increasing price or crippling capacity for the entry level model when it can easily be left up to the customer whether they want to make that sacrifice. I mean, there are people using Mac Minis as servers; if that means holding a lot of content then an SSD will cripple functionality, even if it might have better overall performance. Likewise with media centre type uses of Mac Minis, where all you're doing is hosting a lot of music or HD movie files, in which case capacity is far more important than an SSD as they're no point in a media centre being a tiny bit more responsive if it can't hold your media library.

All of this might make sense if Apple bothered to offer an SSD option for the i5 Mini. Yes, I know I can get the i7 as a workaround to get them to sell me an SSD, but why would I want to do that when I don't need that CPU? And yes, I know I can buy the i5 and put an SSD in it myself. But my history of business with Apple is based on the notion of paying a little extra for hassle-free computing. When they withdraw the "hassle-free" part of the deal, the "paying a little extra" also falls.

Moving into the realm of moderate-hassle computing, I got myself an Intel NUC and installed Linux Mint on it. It's the weak dual-core Celeron kind, so by no means a replacement for a Mac Mini. But it got me out of my crisis of not owning a functional computer, and it's a great test platform which will allow me to make the right decision when the time comes for choosing between OSX and Linux when Broadwell is here and I get myself a "real" computer.

So far I really like it, and everything works as it should. I have not found a flawless replacement for itunes when it comes to handling podcasts and music, but what I have found comes close enough to establish Linux as a realistic alternative to me.
 
Does anyone know what Apple uses for 256GB SSDs in recent builds of the late 2012 Mac Minis? I think I remember reading awhile back that they were originally Crucial M4 SSDs with slightly customized firmware, but would they still be using those now? I checked EveryMac but they didn't get into that detail.

I thought I read awhile back they were Samsungs, but I'm not sure if that is accurate.

I just got the i7 with SSD from the factory and model is just listed as Apple SSD. I know old posts say don't be crazy and pay Apple for it, but back then the posts referred to $300. I paid $180 in Education store, and to buy one in Canada was $110 plus about $50 for the OWC doubler kit, so I'm 100% happy with my factory installed 256 SSD and with my new 2012 Mini! I didn't even want the 5400 HD as extra storage.
 
Wow. i5 1.4GHz sounds astonishingly anaemic.


Hmmm.

UK prices remain £499 / £649, which currently translates to €623 / €810.

Apple hate us.

:(

No, Apple just abide by their own currency conversion rate in order to maximise profits. They get away with it because we're all willing to pay the prices. So, for every product sold in the UK, they end up getting more $ when the currency is converted than the same product sold in the US.
 
I didn't say crippling OSX, I said their desktop software. Compare the current versions of pages, numbers, keynote to the old versions.

They've also basically stopped development of their other desktop software, Aperture, iPhoto, etc. It seems they don't want to show a better desktop than iPad.

iWork was crippled from the day it was launched. What good is a spreadsheet that can't do complex formulas? It's always been MS Office for people who never need more than 3% of the features. Matching it to iOS capabilities is like saying you put bald tires on a rusted out Camaro with no engine.

I will give you the other premium software packages though. While I never used them, I have heard from some folks that the lack of robust updates has been painful.
 
Is the next MacMini going to be upgradeable ? i.e.. changing memory modules and swapping out the Hdd.

No one has any clue right now, but I will say again that going any enclosure that is smaller than what the Mini is today is pointless. It's a desktop, not a laptop or an iOS device. Portability is not necessary. Size is only an issue when you take it from the old tower enclosure to the current size & you are trying to free up desk space or under-desk space. The current size is ideal as it can be placed anywhere & is not obtrusive at all.

If they make the Mini the size of the ATV hockey puck, upgradability will be gone because they would have to solder everything on the board.
 
No one has any clue right now, but I will say again that going any enclosure that is smaller than what the Mini is today is pointless. It's a desktop, not a laptop or an iOS device. Portability is not necessary. Size is only an issue when you take it from the old tower enclosure to the current size & you are trying to free up desk space or under-desk space. The current size is ideal as it can be placed anywhere & is not obtrusive at all.

If they make the Mini the size of the ATV hockey puck, upgradability will be gone because they would have to solder everything on the board.

The only way to make it like a ATV is to take out the power brick and I don't think that's very Apple like.
 
Just curious, how do you suppose anyone here is going to know the answer to any degree of certainty? You've looked at the Buyer's Guide above and seen the "recent rumors" for the mini, right?

Yes. You're right, I do look on there on a regular basis before making any commitment to buy anything. Especially since I have high-end gear for my photography work I do. But for personal and home use I prefer not to use my MacPro.
 
I didn't say crippling OSX, I said their desktop software. Compare the current versions of pages, numbers, keynote to the old versions.

They've also basically stopped development of their other desktop software, Aperture, iPhoto, etc. It seems they don't want to show a better desktop than iPad.

I think your observation is spot on. It appears clear that while OS X continues to be developed its changes are mostly about social interaction and iOS integration with a few "performance" tidbits thrown in. And of course there is the yearly OS Fashion Show.

iWork has turned from not too bad but underpowered to just silly. Aperture is completely dead. Other than an occasional security of camera profile tweak poor A3 is stone cold. Anyone who thinks Apple is still solidly in the computer business is just trying to see some sunshine through the clouds.

My Mac Pro is about to be sold so the main computer will be an i7 mini purchased in January with a pretty good discount. I see no reason to spend serious money on a Mac given the apparent direction Apple is going in.
 
So I'm sure Apple will warn users of the POS iMac of that fact before they drop $300 on FCPx. Get your head out of the sand. By releasing an iMac with mid-2000 specs, they create the opportunity for disappointment.

Those same "best buy" shoppers you mentioned will be back to return it just as quickly. No matter how people keep spinning this move, or talk about how this iMac isn't for us, or whatever ********* you want to spin, this is NOT a good move by Apple.

Yes, I'm sure you're so much smarter than all of the marking and product strategy managers at Apple. Let's just kick Cook out and put you in his place, clearly we'd all be better off. It might not be a computer for YOU, but it will sell to others - and they didn't get rid of the other options. Quit bitching about what you think is a majority need when it is just YOUR need.

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The new iMac is really making me lose hope that Apple will release any decent machine in the next few years.

They're pushing to smaller less powerful, more iToy like machines and away from general purpose computers.

I'm already on the fence between waiting for a refreshed mini or building a high-end i7 based windows machine (I still have an unused windows 7 license since windows 8 is a dealbreaker). As someone who couldn't care less about iToys and thinks the flat version of OSX looks like a throwback to windows xp with a bit of windows 8 mixed in Yosimite really has nothing to offer me.

I think Apple really is trying to actively push away computer users and stick with iToys users. I wonder how long until they have to open the iOS dev tools to Windows just to keep their ecosystem viable.

Sure, and that is why they just spent millions on R&D to launch the Mac Pro revamp.

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I agree with you to an extent, but that also highlights the problems with Apple for computers these days. The "cool new features of Yosemite", are minor bells and whistles that might be fun to play with but don't change the core usability of the computer to get a job done. Absolutely it's great that Apple is working to add them and keep some dazzle on the computer for consumers.

But to re-level their whole line with a focus on what is ultimately iToy functionality is silly.

I also don't understand this mindset of being on the newest version of everything is always better. It gives you all the latest little bells and whistles, but not everyone cares if the computer they edit images on can make phone calls on their iPhone. Sure most people here want the latest, but I don't get why people here talk about a high adoption rate of the latest version as a sign Apple is better.

Absolutely BS to the part in red. The new features are quite possibly the biggest enhancements to usability for typical business users in several years on any platform. As a business user that is constantly running between meetings and switching between my iPhone, iPad and rMBP - I can't begin to tell you how much easier logistics will be with these new "toy" features.
 
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No, Apple just abide by their own currency conversion rate in order to maximise profits. They get away with it because we're all willing to pay the prices. So, for every product sold in the UK, they end up getting more $ when the currency is converted than the same product sold in the US.

It is common in others companies to have a $1 = £1 currency conversion. Apple only did that on the Apple TV, and that was rectified this week.

American prices are pre sales tax, and UK post sales tax. Of course the 20% VAT does not cover the price difference, but it could be worse.

Apple are better than many others, not worse.
 
No, Apple just abide by their own currency conversion rate in order to maximise profits. They get away with it because we're all willing to pay the prices. So, for every product sold in the UK, they end up getting more $ when the currency is converted than the same product sold in the US.

Yeah but don't you guys get a standard 2 year warranty for your electronics? In the US it's only one year warranty

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No one has any clue right now, but I will say again that going any enclosure that is smaller than what the Mini is today is pointless. It's a desktop, not a laptop or an iOS device. Portability is not necessary. Size is only an issue when you take it from the old tower enclosure to the current size & you are trying to free up desk space or under-desk space. The current size is ideal as it can be placed anywhere & is not obtrusive at all.

The smaller they are the more you can fit in a server rack
 
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After that POS iMac just came out, which nobody wants, and nobody cares about, it is very clear that the Mini is dead. Apl ju$t doesn't care about it.
It'd be a massive surprise & a disappointment if the Mini was killed off anytime soon for reasons I've mentioned before. But I agree, relatively speaking, Apple don't care much about it.

Unless those wanting Mac desktops buy an expensive Mac Pro, Apple would far rather we buy an iMac due to far greater profit margins on those models. What they least want is to sell us a much cheaper Mac, also giving us the choice of selecting our own anti-glare, non-Apple brand monitors, as it means less $ for Apple. They are after all a business like any other.

However, if they did kill off the Mini, I've no doubts that many people interested in a Mini will buy neither an iMac nor a Mac Pro. For me, Mini refurb would be the way to go, then gradually switch more work to PC. :rolleyes:
 
I think your observation is spot on. It appears clear that while OS X continues to be developed its changes are mostly about social interaction and iOS integration with a few "performance" tidbits thrown in. And of course there is the yearly OS Fashion Show.

iWork has turned from not too bad but underpowered to just silly. Aperture is completely dead. Other than an occasional security of camera profile tweak poor A3 is stone cold. Anyone who thinks Apple is still solidly in the computer business is just trying to see some sunshine through the clouds.

My Mac Pro is about to be sold so the main computer will be an i7 mini purchased in January with a pretty good discount. I see no reason to spend serious money on a Mac given the apparent direction Apple is going in.


yeah looks like just a bunch of toys. cause that seems to be where the money is.

Steve Jobs Said something once > paraphrased:" that a pc should like a phone and the content was what mattered you did not give a f' about an old school dial up phone."

So apple sees the money as fees for using the phone. / ipad./ laptop etc
Think about the lack of quality in streaming a tv show on an iPhone but lots do it.


so they kind of want us to give up our desktops.

Now that desktops finally can be truly powerful gear.
 
Yeah, but they're saying this fall. I can't wait, so I'll keep the 2012 I got and go ahead and add an SSD and upgrade to 16 GB. I know, I know, but I don't want to mess with adding more RAM later and I've never complained about not having enough. I wish I'd gone ahead and bought this machine last fall, instead of waiting to see if they'd release a new mini by Christmas... by Feb ... by June ... I would have got a lot of use out of it.

I think you are making the right move. There is really no telling when the mini will be updated. I think it is very unlikely Apple will just dump the line, extremely unlikely. But the folks at Apple have shown they march to their own tune as to when such things happen. The Mac Pro people waited a LONG time for an update, and in despair speculated that Apple would kill it off. The Thunderbolt display has been over 1000 days without an update. So there will be a new mini, but given all of the other products set to roll out in the second half of the year (iPhone, iPad, iWatch, iDon'tKnowWhatElse, laptops) they might even think it is too much to update the Mini, iMac, and Thunderbolt Dispay this year. Could also be a message to Intel (no thanks, we won't buy your insignificantly updated Haswell, we will spend our time thinking about moving to our own chips while you dither with Broadwell). But, I still hope to see something in the fall. My two cents on the unknown future.
 
I think you are making the right move. There is really no telling when the mini will be updated.
Agreed. I have also decided to stop waiting.

At this point, the only question is when will Apple start their back to school promotion (I have a son in college -- pretty dang expensive way to score an Apple discount!). Once I see what their BTS incentives are, I'll either go BTS or pop for the lowest-spec quad-core refurb I can find.
 
Fairly long digression but slightly on-topic

Apple almost died back in 1996. When I think back on that time, it was the time of the real explosion of personal computers. Remember that screaming 386 (and of course you paid extra to get the math coprocessor) with 512 MB RAM? And the first people to buy them en masse were business users who were frustrated by the mainframe interface. You didn't have to be much of a programmer at all to use them, especially with Windows 2.0 .... it was after that people started buying computers for home, and they would buy the computer that was compatible with the one at work. Apple was great, even back then: remember the SE30 from back in the early 90s? I think the Apple was better to use, but there was more software for the PC, they were much more widely adopted, and they were cheaper. It looked as if Apple would go the way of Betamax.

Steve Jobs really did turn things around. He did bring make Apple computers crave-worthy. They had more horsepower. They had a cool design. They had feature that appealed to the everyday user, who wanted a computer to do "computer stuff" on, back when we didn't really know what that would look like. And they were way easier to use than the PC. I remember how easy it was to use my new PowerBook G4. Sure, I knew how to program, how to solder, how to debug, how to fix ... but I preferred to just use the system for the applications that it ran, not for the joy of playing doctor with it.

My take on this, sorry for the long post, is that we are at a similar convergence point. Apple just absolutely exploded once they figured it out before. They took advantage of their monolithic architecture (hardware and software together or nothing) to innovate at a pace traditional PC manufacturers couldn't match, and they seized on the opportunities created by faster processors, better displays, and the public internet. Now we're approaching another convergence. The computer is becoming invisible. Think about it: the difference between that big piece of iron in that cold room and the small beige box on the desk. That little PC didn't even look like a computer, but it distributed the power of the mainframe. Macs hardly look like computers now, even. They look like flat screen TVs, or trash cans, or gorgeous little silvery squares. They look like candy bars and make phone calls. They look like ugly eyeglasses. Computers are in refrigerators and in cars and in bicycles and in human bodies. What we thought of as a computer, a physical thing, is becoming an invisible distributed network of smart devices. You pick up a piece of technology, whether it's your car key or your phone or your fitbit, and you go do some life, and that piece of tech supports just that part of your life and then hands its work over to the next piece when you're done with it.

That's where they're going with Yosemite. It's not just cool features. It's the convergence. It's distributed computing on a molecular scale. Your computer will be your phone + your watch + your TV + ...It's big. It's the future. Apple's going to devote as much brainpower and money as they have to. If they do this right, they will own the technical world. With tech that's beautiful, powerful, useable, affordable, and ubiquitous - they can ride the tiger, and if they don't someone else will. I'm rooting for Apple.

At the same time, they have an existing business selling iMacs and Mac Pros and Mac Minis which brings in the oxygen to fund that work, and they aren't going to walk away. As long as people will buy those personal computers, Apple will sell them. I am sure they are calculating: what's the minimum amount of time/money/marketing that will sustain acceptable sales vs. what opportunity they loose chasing the convergence (because they spent money on existing products.) I hoping, I'm praying, they have enough people and money to do both. I love these little machines. I love my Mini. The question is, how many other people feel the same way? If you take away the people who are content with just a phone, and the people who like the convenience and ease of an AIO, and the people who need serious computing power and are willing to pay for it .. are there enough customers left to keep Apple's attention?
 
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At the same time, they have an existing business selling iMacs and Mac Pros and Mac Minis which brings in the oxygen to fund that work, and they aren't going to walk away. As long as people will buy those personal computers, Apple will sell them. I am sure they are calculating: what's the minimum amount of time/money/marketing that will sustain acceptable sales vs. what opportunity they loose chasing the convergence (because they spent money on existing products.) I hoping, I'm praying, they have enough people and money to do both. I love these little machines. I love my Mini. The question is, how many other people feel the same way? If you take away the people who are content with just a phone, and the people who like the convenience and ease of an AIO, and the people who need serious computing power and are willing to pay for it .. are there enough customers left to keep Apple's attention?

Apple's main business now is IStuff. That's where the money is. Computers are a secondary business any more and most people don't need them. Their phone and tablet will do everything they need.
 
I thought I read awhile back they were Samsungs, but I'm not sure if that is accurate.

I just got the i7 with SSD from the factory and model is just listed as Apple SSD. I know old posts say don't be crazy and pay Apple for it, but back then the posts referred to $300. I paid $180 in Education store, and to buy one in Canada was $110 plus about $50 for the OWC doubler kit, so I'm 100% happy with my factory installed 256 SSD and with my new 2012 Mini! I didn't even want the 5400 HD as extra storage.

In this article, I learned that: "The 2012 iMac, Mac mini, MacBook Air and Retina MacBook Pros all use the same custom SATA+power connector on their SSDs." The Apple SSD modules look more like an m.2 stick than the 2.5" retail SATA SSDs we're used to seeing, and back then they were using either a Samsung 830PM or something by Toshiba. I was completely wrong about them being Crucial M4 SSDs.

When you look at the disk info (open Disk Utility, select SSD, click Info button), do you see a TS or SM prefix?
 
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