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The new Mac Pro - What are your biggest fears?
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I don't think re-invent is the right word. Although, I don't know what the right word is.
They offered USB along with Firewire. And, in the early 2000 when Apple first used Firewire, it was needed for video editing. USB was too slow. But, it wasn't like all they gave you was Firewire, either.
Now, with Thunderbolt and USB-C, from my understanding are interchangeable. If, I am not mistaken, the difference is literally, the connector. Like, the actual plug. But, the protocol is the same, I think.
Now, Lightning, is something else. I think these are just for their iPhones. It's proprietary, but, all iPhone connections since the original iPhone and the iPod before that has had a proprietary port.
Anyway, I hope that these points I've added made your points a bit clearer....
Yes. And the fact that we have to have this conversation at all is my point. Apple just likes to do things differently. Sometimes a good thing, sometimes not.
FYI I totally agree with their killing the cdrom drive. Those things were useless.
Notice, Apple plans to make future products from 100 recycled stuff, so the mMP could come in cheese-grater case with tcMP's GPUs and LG 5K with WiFi detection as next Cinema display...
Well, sadly "Notable" doesn't mean correct.
I'll take the opinion of working professionals who actually bought the things with their own money, over a bunch of tech "journalists"/sycophants that had the things plopped on their desks for a free trial, in exchange for glowing reviews, to make sure they had access to new hardware in the future.
Yeah, everyone thought the base model was great, A quarter of the storage and RAM you needed, with not one, but two, over-hyped, bottom of the barrel GPUs you were stuck with, that weren't even properly implemented and virtually no expandability except through obscure, unavailable and overpriced thunderbolt peripherals. At least it was probably the model least likely to melt.
On the high-end, you paid $10K for pathetic 12-core single processor performance, all because it had to fit in a dwarf tube.
Maybe other manufacturers offered higher maximum price points, but that was because they weren't hamstrung by the constraints of Apple's arbitrarily poor design choices. I don't think people complain when they pay more for something better, and aren't disappointed.
Well, when I heard bragging about "being alive" when the 286 shipped ....
How about working in an Engineering Office, on an Apple ][ ... running VisiCalc?
That was really an eye opener from writing Fortran (WATT IV) on punch cards!
And now our smartphones have more RAM, storage & power than all of that stuff combined...(where's my 'Nostalgia' emoji?)
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I hate the "competitive" price comparisons for just about any Apple computer. Not so bad today, since they don't make very many computers, but it still suffers from the "zucchini vs. watermelon" fruit comparison problem.
Apple's base systems are usually fairly well configured - they don't have "stripped down" price leader models.
If the price leader is all that you need, the Apple MP6,1 has never been competitive. There is no way to reduce the price of the Apple, all you can do is to start adding options (that you might not need or want) to the other systems - and when you come to a rough feature equivalence the price might look competitive.
But it's not competitive unless you need all of those options.
And in the case of the early MP6,1 comparisons, it was tainted by the fact that the PC that was priced would have a pair of actual FirePro workstation cards - whereas the MP6,1 had a couple of underclocked Radeons that didn't even run Crossfire.
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Ah yes, WATFOR. (Waterloo FORTRAN)
Loved that it would successfully compile and run the null program.
Put in a script with the program missing (it usually read from what people today would call "stdin") and you get:
- Missing "begin" statement, one is assumed
- Missing "end" statement, one is assumed
- Compiling... successful
- Executing... successful
- Job completed with success status
My biggest fear is I won't live long enough to see a new Mac Pro. Apple is dangling the carrot in hopes of keeping us happy with pro iMacs.
It's hard to see the Amigos' chat with selected friendly journalists as anything more than a desperate "buy time" attempt. Nothing of substance discussed, just a new age "we feel your pain - don't buy a Z-series" vibe.
The refresh cycle for the 2013 MaPro was long overdue before Apple ever mentioned any of this. The whole caring about the Pro Market is such an afterthought, at this point it's a hail marry. My current work station at work is in dire need of a re-fresh, 5,1 MacPro and one of the engineers wanted to do a GTX 1080 with RYZEN for a test build.. but the bosses who approve the budgets don't want to start switching workstations to Windows Yet... They are holding out for Apple to throw us all a bone. The GTX 1080 drivers are helping... That might be able to hold us over.
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In 2018 when the mMP turns out to be "Trash Can 2.0" - what's their plan? Be gone before then.
Find new bosses. Your current ones fell for the Amigos' "we're so sorry about the MP6,1" stall.
In 2018 when the mMP turns out to be "Trash Can 2.0" - what's their plan? Be gone before then.
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Why can't Apple just admit that the Darth Vader trashcan was a mistake. A Huge mistake. Eat their pride and re-release an updated cheese grater - an iconic design.
The obsession with smaller is better does not hold true with the Mac Pro when expandability in ONE box is key. I would go so far as to say that a larger (ie. taller) Mac Pro to allow more storage/SSds, cards etc would be the way to go..
The obsession with smaller is better does not hold true with the Mac Pro when expandability in ONE box is key. I would go so far as to say that a larger (ie. taller) Mac Pro to allow more storage/SSds, cards etc would be the way to go..
Nope. The spittoon shape has to go. I'm picturing a revised version of the cheese grater rectangular all aluminium but taller AKA
Macintosh Quadra 950
these are my main fears.
and also that there will be some stupid proprietary ram or ssd stuff.
You're an optimist Joe.
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They ought to "Feel our Pain", they're the ones who caused it.
FYI, that "(taller)" you're quoting looks like an older statement I may have made? I can't recall saying anything like that recently.
But it does sound like something I've said - - and in trying to recall what my thoughts were at that time, I think that what it was that a "Stretch Trash Can" could have made some sense for Apple at *some* point in time, where the objective would have been to offer some more internal expansion capabilities while sidestepping any admission that the cylindrical Trash Can was a horrible mistake.
In any event, I'll say now that my response is "No, but yes".
No ... because Apple has revealed that one of the major design weaknesses of their triangular heat sink inside of a cylinder is that it necessitated its heat loads to be balanced - - which means that this configuration (triangular heat sink in a cylinder) almost certainly has to die.
And:
Yes ... because my hopes are that Apple is going to have to reverse course on the Mac Pro's minimization of volume as we've seen with the Trash Can, which will conceptually placate some Pros by having sufficient empty space to allow some degree of internal DIY upgrades. Granted, it might not be any better than an additional ten cubic inches so as to facilitate better cooling and an empty slot for an Apple proprietary M.2 clone SSD blades, but... And to that end, an increase in volume can use all three dimensions (and shapes other than a cylinder), not only height.
Maybe they'll try a circular heat sink in a triangular tower next.
I think they've really taken that "Think outside of the box" thing the wrong way.
It's sort of like "Bad Geometric Primitives Theatre". Could potentially be a new Apple original content TV Series.
Exactly. "Think Inside The Box" is clearly the best design choice for this new project.
I'm just afraid they not make tower design.
They called "modular" which is component can be replaced easily, but still unknown it's standard connector or proprietary one.
Besides i hope Apple don't make Mac Pro referencing from any fans render which tend to become small mac pro sit in desk. The recent render on other day is engineering nightmare.
Summary : Create 2010-2012 shaped tower with updated ports and internal. Being bigger is okay to accommodate more hardware expansion in future.
They called "modular" which is component can be replaced easily, but still unknown it's standard connector or proprietary one.
Besides i hope Apple don't make Mac Pro referencing from any fans render which tend to become small mac pro sit in desk. The recent render on other day is engineering nightmare.
Summary : Create 2010-2012 shaped tower with updated ports and internal. Being bigger is okay to accommodate more hardware expansion in future.