Price. In good'ol days with cheese grate, the dual CPU setup was competitively priced, or at least near so. Once the dual CPUs went bye-bye, so did the price/performance ratio. Instead we started to get ripped-off by marketing specs.
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The new Mac Pro - What are your biggest fears?
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My fear is they give us something that looks like this and call it modular
Yeah, Apple likes to have their own definition of things. Hell, look at their definition of courage. Modular to them might mean separate Apple-made and Apple-priced proprietary modules/components.
I think we can all agree on one thing being a given: Its going to cost a LOT.
But if apl pulls that stunt again, the next mp will be a fail (again) because few will want to take out a loan to buy a freaking computer, no matter how fast it is.
But if apl pulls that stunt again, the next mp will be a fail (again) because few will want to take out a loan to buy a freaking computer, no matter how fast it is.
My biggest fear is that this "biggest fear" thread will more accurately describe the mMP when it ships than the "whish list" thread.
Things that people say they want won't be in the mMP, and the things that they don't want will be in the mMP.
that could be bad.
acer is making something like that right now and from the little i've read about it, the recommendations are to stay away.
it's an awesome idea, however, pretty much the entire computer industry would have to be in on it in order for it to really work out well for the end users/customers.
modularity through something like thunderbolt or pci slots or wireless connectivity gives more options down the line than a specifically made module for a specific computer.
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well, unless the proprietary module were more-or-less just an empty container which was able to snap/connect to the larger system.. but within that module, there were a more common connector to attach parts to..
this seems pretty cool imo.. though expensive i imagine.
but with such a system, the user could build their 'box' as large or as small as they want it to be.. while giving the appearance that there are no peripheral components, just one lego'd together computer.
i personally like this idea better than making one box which everything goes inside.
i mean, with that setup (ala cMP), users either have a larger than necessary box or smaller than necessary box with very few people needing exactly that sized box.. instead, let the outer shell grow or shrink on an as needed/wanted basis.
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here's the acer thing i was talking about:
then a couple of articles about it in which the authors seem pretty weary.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2983...dular-pcs-arent-as-exciting-as-they-seem.html
https://techcrunch.com/2015/09/02/dont-buy-into-acers-lego-like-modular-computer/
i haven't checked out much more than what i'm showing here so this type of lego modularity may be better than this post/links are making it out to be.
then a couple of articles about it in which the authors seem pretty weary.
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2983...dular-pcs-arent-as-exciting-as-they-seem.html
https://techcrunch.com/2015/09/02/dont-buy-into-acers-lego-like-modular-computer/
i haven't checked out much more than what i'm showing here so this type of lego modularity may be better than this post/links are making it out to be.
My biggest fear is that they let themselves get pressured into putting out a machine they can't support. These forums are littered with the complaints from people who never even bought the nMP to begin with. Those of us who did buy it know that there were numerous issues, like buggy driver support for 4K displays, that had nothing to do with things like thermal constraints but stemmed from the fact that Apple, by and large, is no longer interested in third-party testing of even things like monitors. Apple's support organization, which is normally outstanding, is pushed well out of its comfort zone when it has to deal even with the completely sealed nMP. If they return to a 5,1 design and it actually proves popular, it would be a support disaster for them. Regardless of what people say here about not expecting Apple to support their configurations, if Apple is going to create a new pro machine, it going do so in order to ship a bunch of these to businesses who are going to expect the premium price for Apple hardware implies a premium support experience.
The continuation of Apple's proprietary EFI. If they want to continue with AMD, fine. Just let us buy OTS GPUs w/o sacrificing a boot screen or jumping through hoops with said GPU when we update the OS.
No (or not enough) PCI slots
Wonky connectors that someone at Apple predicts consumers will adopt
No (or not enough) PCI slots
Wonky connectors that someone at Apple predicts consumers will adopt
I consider 0 chance to see dual socket on the mMP, consider AMD support upto 32 cores and intel upto 72 cores in a single socket, even intel dont consider dualsocket Workstation MB for Skylake-W.
There is an little chance, since its no case to develop proprietary SSD since months later some stores will reverse engineer it and sell low quality SSD preventing Apple to sell bigger capacities, either Apple will opt for soldered SSD (unlikely since its a major pro complaint on the tbMBP) or save R&D money and go for commodity m.2 ssd, but no SATA M.2
Unlikely, if so they should be selling the iMac 5K with soldered Ram as they sell the iMac 21, this is a No-No for pros.
50% chance, I see recent nVidia developments as a good signal, even likely we will se an iMac Pro with nvidia GPU along dtd iMac with AMD GPU.
No Way, even if Apple opts to sell a commodity M-B with PCIe slots, will look very different to the cMP and the tMP.
Maybe All TB3, but at least should include DP1.4 and/or HDMI 2b at least to support a bold Pro Display.
I don't see a complaint here, actually no peripheral manufacturer develop PCIe peripherals for Mac.
Its Apple ...
Next months before mMP launch will say a lot about, Apple should introduce iMac Pro, revised tbMbP and mac mini with some mea-culpa sentiment, if Apple doesn't care to hurry things and Show Solid Compromise with PROs, Ciao PRO MARKET.
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Fewer to be sure, but Apple has not put out a PCIe machine in 4 years and we still don't know for sure if they will. However, PCI devices for Mac are still around.
https://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/intensitypro4k
You know, all this talk of "modularity".. if only there was a design that used ubiquitous components that could be swapped out if something new came along. You know, like something already on the market so Apple's dev time could be massively shortened...
I'm concerned they'll take the worst features of the oMP, combine them with the worst features of the nMP, double the price (again), give us an "Phone" operating system, call it "Courageous", and then blame us when it doesn't sell.
I do look forward to Phil coming on stage and saying stupid things about it, he's the one constant in an ever-changing world.
I do look forward to Phil coming on stage and saying stupid things about it, he's the one constant in an ever-changing world.
Im really not sure about Thunderbolt 3 ports. Of course that Apple WILL add those ports but if New Mac Pro can add normal graphic cards, then it's meaningless.
My biggest fear is that i might not live long to see it. You never know what life throws at you.
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Are you just pointing out how stupid things were back then?
Or how stupid Apple fans were back then?
Except for every major video and audio capture card and daw maker...