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The new Mac Pro - What are your biggest fears?
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Thanks for the correction - I looked and NVMe support was added to the April 2015 MBP.
https://www.macrumors.com/2015/04/11/nvme-mac-os-x/
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Any 12-core will cost the price of a small car.
Compare the (much) more common 6 core 2012 vs 2013 in price.
2012 6 core base model was $2999
current 6 core base model is $2999
Before the so-called 6,1 price-drop, yes it they did cost more, but not anymore.
A LOT more. If you wanted a 6-core MP in 2013, you were not only going to pay up to $1000 more than in 2012, but also had to budget for additional storage (due to measly 256GB flash storage) AND the cost for Thunderbolt cables and adaptors. Worst of all, you were essentially forced to spend for dual GPUs, even if you didn't need/want them.
But do you really want to spend $2999 on outdated tech with absolutely no path for upgrades?
Someone needs to start a "bring back the cheese-grater" petition. This is the best option to accommodate the widest variety of pro users.
My biggest fear is no space for hard drives, like in the 2013 Mac Pro. I currently have a 2010 Mac Pro with 6 internals HDs and SSDs and 3 external HDs attached to it at all times. As a filmmaker and photographer I simply have huge storage demands. And putting HDs/SSDs inside the tower is by far the most reliable and cost effective solution. I do not want RAID for various reasons and I do not want to attach 8 individual, external hard drives to my Mac (what a mess). But just getting a simple thunderbolt enclosure for 6 drives is nearly impossible. There are almost none on the market, and the few that are don't seem very trustworthy/reliable.
This is the main reason why I never bought a 2013 Mac Pro. All I want is a decent CPU/GPU/amount of RAM and an insane amount of storage space.
This is the main reason why I never bought a 2013 Mac Pro. All I want is a decent CPU/GPU/amount of RAM and an insane amount of storage space.
MacPro doesn't need to be innovative. Just big, powerful and customizable. A simple tower is all we could ask for.
My biggest fear is living long enough to see it.
I don't know. Based on last week's news, it sounded like they had fairly recently told engineers to "come up with some ideas."
Point is, pros were happy with the old MP design: functional AND beautiful. I really don't think Apple needs, nor wants to spend a ton of R&D on a product that accounts for a bare sliver of mac sales. Cheese-grater updated for 2018 tech would be an easy win-win for everyone.
My biggest fear is glue.
If, they use it on the new Mac Pro.
That will be my biggest fear.
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That's not innovative enough. Sorry.
They also have a lot of cash. They can afford to R&D a new Mac Pro!
What your essentially asking Apple to do is make an official hackintosh tower. Not that I have anything against hackintoshes. But, come on. I wanna see something EXCITING!
If, they use it on the new Mac Pro.
That will be my biggest fear.
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That's not innovative enough. Sorry.
They also have a lot of cash. They can afford to R&D a new Mac Pro!
What your essentially asking Apple to do is make an official hackintosh tower. Not that I have anything against hackintoshes. But, come on. I wanna see something EXCITING!
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My biggest fear is that it will be so innovative that none of our existing peripherals or software will work with it.
i hope thats what they bring us, seriously that would be the best solution period.
who needs innovation? the last mac pro was really innovative but what gave us all this ?
a ton of people need a serious workstation, like now.
Yes!
PCI slots mean users can load in various cards for their needs, be they 3D design, VR, audio DSP cards, etc.. Internal storage is also very much in demand for pro use, as the 2013 MP immediately was lambasted for contributing to "cable hell" for all the peripheral attachments required for pro use. Other folks needs dual CPUs or extra RAM slots. And all of this requires large fans for quiet, efficient cooling.
To be clear, I don't believe Apple should literally reuse the old cheese-grater case, just that the 2018 MP should reflect a continuance of a popular and practical design born out of many years of evolution.
to me, i feel one computer that accommodates the widest variety of pro users would have to be portable / laptop.
personally, i go with a multi-computer approach (currently an imac and mbp.. and an iPhone is in that mix as well though i'd mostly consider it as a personal device, i do use it almost daily as a work device)..
i very (very!) rarely use the laptop if i'm near the desktop.. however, if i could only have one computer, it would certainly have to be the laptop.
I think is how Apple alienated the Pro Community in the first place. My Pro Community, Film, TV, VFX, and Commercial Editing, would whole heartily disagree with everything you stated.
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Apple for P.R. Reasons can not bring back any of the Cheese Grader design., they would admitting defeat. They would have to say the 6,1 trashcan was a mistake, and everyone knows all billion dollar empires have to show face and never admit defeat. Apple can say the 6,1 was too forward thinking or some other P.R. garble, but for them to go back to anything reminiscent of the 5,1 design would be a failure for a Apple. I think that is why they are pushing for this modular idea, they are going to Innovate their way out of defeat and failure, and pretend the 6,1 never happened..
I'm pretty sure you don't have any understanding of what our industry does, what tools and software they need and what kind of hardware that requires.
and what?
you think you're in the only industry?
pretty sure most industries have had similar occurrences as mine (CAD/digital fabrication).
that being-- the software is generally far better optimized than last decade and the computers in general are a lot faster too.
like, i'm modeling/working much more efficiently today on a laptop than in 2007 with a MacPro.
do you not believe this to be true?
My source material is from Film cameras, these files have progressively gotten bigger and bigger through the ages. SD to HD to 2k to 4k to 8k and now 16k. The requirements to manage these files get exponentially higher every year. CPU, GPU and Storage... as well as the speed of these elements. A CAD file has been the same size for a long time.
Like I said before you don't understand our industry. Try paining a 16k background texture on a scene that will be a 4k render in MARI with a computer from 2007.. It can't happen.
hmm. not really sure if we're talking about the same thing.
you quoted something i said so i'd generally assume you were wanting to speak about that topic.
but you're talking about video and big files and whatnot.
ok.. cool.
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No, not video, it hasn't been video since the 90s. Celluloid to digital cinema. Very different. This thread was about our fears of Apple not making a pro computer again. Your telling us we don't need a Pro computer and we can use a Laptop and an iMac and an iPhone. Your being told that workflow only works for you. Not the pro's out there that lived and died by Apple hardware.
what? no i'm not. im not telling you a anything about what you need to do. except ->
get a grip, braveheart.
First one to throw an insult is the one who looses their grip, but I think Braveheart is more of a compliment.
Did you not write this??